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post #4666 of 6020

So I got my Lyr, and I've been listening to my HD600s all day long. I decided, just for giggles, to listen to my HE400s........ that was a mistake. They sound great. I think I might be returning my DT880s which sound a little flat in comparison to the HE400s and HD600s. The HE400s sound pretty good in spite of the treble issue, so I think they can only get better from here. I feel like a jackass but it's so hard! I wish I could keep them all! But I fear the DT880s would get ignored... I'd rather get my money back for them. I like how crisp they are, but the HD600s are more pleasing to listen to and the HE400s have just as much detail as the DT880s but with improved bass. I just wish the HE400s were an ounce or two lighter. They are a bit heavy. I can actually feel a bit of strain on my neck/upper back muscles. Whatever, I'll think of it as exercise!

post #4667 of 6020
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Originally Posted by yokken View Post

So I got my Lyr, and I've been listening to my HD600s all day long. I decided, just for giggles, to listen to my HE400s........ that was a mistake. They sound great. I think I might be returning my DT880s which sound a little flat in comparison to the HE400s and HD600s. The HE400s sound pretty good in spite of the treble issue, so I think they can only get better from here. I feel like a jackass but it's so hard! I wish I could keep them all! But I fear the DT880s would get ignored... I'd rather get my money back for them. I like how crisp they are, but the HD600s are more pleasing to listen to and the HE400s have just as much detail as the DT880s but with improved bass. I just wish the HE400s were an ounce or two lighter. They are a bit heavy. I can actually feel a bit of strain on my neck/upper back muscles. Whatever, I'll think of it as exercise!

 

I heard that Sennheisers match nicely with the Valhalla. Yes, the HE-400s are quite heavy, but they can't help it. If the HE-400 weighed the same as a T50RP... mmmmm....

post #4668 of 6020
Well, the HE-400 is sold. They served me incredibly well. Now it's time for someone else to enjoy the hell out of them.
post #4669 of 6020
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Well, the HE-400 is sold. They served me incredibly well. Now it's time for someone else to enjoy the hell out of them.

You sold that and your GD amp (or will) So what is your choice gear set now? the 990's?! 

post #4670 of 6020
990/32 with the E17. I enjoyed the combo last time I had it (a few weeks ago). I'm stepping out of the audiophile game for now, as I realize I was very happy with that setup. All this extra cash will help me in my other hobby, gaming. Getting a Wii-U hopefully soon.
post #4671 of 6020

I tell you what, you guys have more patience than I do lol. I've been close to pulling the trigger on a pair of hifimans three or four times in the last several months, but every time I revisit the HE400 there is some issue with it. Then I see you guys linking to the customer service thread and I see Erik (what's the deal with him calling everyone "dear", btw?) posting this in response to people asking about further revisions to take care of the sibilance issue: We do not plan to do any change to the latest HE400 because we already made a little adjustment for it (even if it is not perfect yet). Next, we gonna make more headphones which will sound much better than HE400." 

 

I really don't understand this at all...I see where Fang posted that they were going to take care of this issue, and that's great. I've read all the comments about how this is still a new company or whatever, but isn't it pretty clear that there is a QC issue at the point of production that needs to be addressed? I'm sure these are great headphones when they are working like they're supposed to, but just reading about some of your experiences is pretty crazy. 

post #4672 of 6020
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I tell you what, you guys have more patience than I do lol. I've been close to pulling the trigger on a pair of hifimans three or four times in the last several months, but every time I revisit the HE400 there is some issue with it. Then I see you guys linking to the customer service thread and I see Erik (what's the deal with him calling everyone "dear", btw?) posting this in response to people asking about further revisions to take care of the sibilance issue: We do not plan to do any change to the latest HE400 because we already made a little adjustment for it (even if it is not perfect yet). Next, we gonna make more headphones which will sound much better than HE400." 

 

I really don't understand this at all...I see where Fang posted that they were going to take care of this issue, and that's great. I've read all the comments about how this is still a new company or whatever, but isn't it pretty clear that there is a QC issue at the point of production that needs to be addressed? I'm sure these are great headphones when they are working like they're supposed to, but just reading about some of your experiences is pretty crazy. 

+1 and count me out.

post #4673 of 6020
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

I tell you what, you guys have more patience than I do lol. I've been close to pulling the trigger on a pair of hifimans three or four times in the last several months, but every time I revisit the HE400 there is some issue with it. Then I see you guys linking to the customer service thread and I see Erik (what's the deal with him calling everyone "dear", btw?) posting this in response to people asking about further revisions to take care of the sibilance issue: We do not plan to do any change to the latest HE400 because we already made a little adjustment for it (even if it is not perfect yet). Next, we gonna make more headphones which will sound much better than HE400." 

 

I really don't understand this at all...I see where Fang posted that they were going to take care of this issue, and that's great. I've read all the comments about how this is still a new company or whatever, but isn't it pretty clear that there is a QC issue at the point of production that needs to be addressed? I'm sure these are great headphones when they are working like they're supposed to, but just reading about some of your experiences is pretty crazy. 

If my understanding is correct, large-membrane planar magnetic headphones have just been too novel to be produced with consistency over the last couple of years, both Audez'e and Hifiman had trouble with that. HE400 is an entirely different driver assembly structure relative to HE5/5LE/500/6, so it's as though they started from scratch. The same case was with LCD3s, HUGE HUGE amounts of "veiled" complaints (diaphragm tension issues) as well as "driver cutting out" complaints (probably tracing adhering issues) even now.

 

Quite different from making the typical dynamic driver headphones, where everything is down to a tee and manufacturers can freely tweak things like dome diaphragm patterns and magnet structures etc without the least worry things like aluminum tracing bonding falling out, or bar magnets causing resonance, or not enough surface tension on the diaphragm etc, that these planar mag productions experience.

 

That being said, Hifiman's HE500 and HE6 has become much more consistent and problem-free now as they've been making them for a while now and have refined their driver assembly methods, and so has Audez'e's LCD2 rev2 production. Us early adopters want to hear new products so we in a way are guinea pigs, but for those who worry about these things, just wait one full year and these new products should become utterly reliable too.

post #4674 of 6020

I think the HE400 is triggering a pressure point above my left ear. It hurts in a weird way... if I press on it, it's fine, but if I just brush my fingers past it, it hurts. Anyone know what's going on? Anything I can do to alleviate this besides not wearing the headphones?

post #4675 of 6020
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Originally Posted by yokken View Post

I think the HE400 is triggering a pressure point above my left ear. It hurts in a weird way... if I press on it, it's fine, but if I just brush my fingers past it, it hurts. Anyone know what's going on? Anything I can do to alleviate this besides not wearing the headphones?

 

Flex the headband / tweak the Y-yoke rotational adjuster, it shouldn't be hard to adjust the headphones to fit your head well.

post #4676 of 6020
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Flex the headband / tweak the Y-yoke rotational adjuster, it shouldn't be hard to adjust the headphones to fit your head well.

 

^^this^^

post #4677 of 6020

I've been doing that, but I guess I'll just have to keep trying until I get it just right.

post #4678 of 6020

I ordered a pair from Head-Direct on Friday and they have confirmed that they will be dispatching tomorrow. With the treble issue on the Rev3, does that mean I will receive a Rev2 or modified Rev3 product?

 

I have just sent an email to Head Direct asking them. Obviously they won't see my email until tomorrow, but just wanted to see if anyone knows.

post #4679 of 6020
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Originally Posted by Dizzle77 View Post

I ordered a pair from Head-Direct on Friday and they have confirmed that they will be dispatching tomorrow. With the treble issue on the Rev3, does that mean I will receive a Rev2 or modified Rev3 product?

 

I have just sent an email to Head Direct asking them. Obviously they won't see my email until tomorrow, but just wanted to see if anyone knows.

As a business they would want to contain the defect, so I doubt they would be foolish enough to still ship any more rev3 units. You should be fine.

post #4680 of 6020

I can feel a ring around my ears when I take them off. I don't know what's going on but it's actually pretty uncomfortable. Makes me want to return them again. :(

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