Originally Posted by RushNerd
That's awesome! I knew these babies had a lot more to give then even the Asgard was letting them have. Hopefully the Lyr is just as powerful, they have similar prices.
Next to a hd600 of course it's going to sound like that. They are probably broken if you think the 400's are shrill, that's pretty extreme. I totally understand the high treble thing though, going from hd 650 to 400's it's like WOW there is a lot more high treble information. Either it's not to your taste or something is wrong with the setup. Hold judgment for the Lyr though (the hd600's will shine on it as well, but those are lot more neutral.)
I remember the DAC1s being much better than the Lyr with the HE-400s when I came back from trying them. I'm A/Bing the DAC1 and M^3 right now, and I can say they're matching blow by blow quite evenly. So logic dictates, DAC1=M^3>Lyr. I think the Lyr technically outputs more power though. The HD800s get more volume from the M^3 than from the DAC1s right now.
Originally Posted by palmfish
Jerg, I hear exactly what you're talking about now.
I didn't notice it at first because I was focusing on the midrange. The mids to me sound too thick and wooly - which is the same issue I have with the HE-500 and LCD-2. The 400's are better than these, but it still lacks the clear, crisp airiness of my D7000's. To be cliche, it's like removing a veil when I switch to my Denon's. But to nail down the midrange issue, I switched to Adele's "Chasing Pavements" thinking her lower voice might help me figure it out. Sure enough, while the mids are definitely on the warm, thick side, I immediately heard the raspy, sibilant treble you have described. It's in the upper treble region (8kHz+) to my ears, and it's very annoying once you pick it out.
Totally agree, my LCD-2s, while not as mid-emphasized as the HE-500s, just get too lush at times. The Denons I tried at the meet, while not the D7000s, just boasted really refreshing clarity. Totally didn't expect it, what a pleasant surprise!
The pairs at the meet? I'm listening to them right now! I loaded the Adele song on with my HE-400s, and while the higher vocal notes are a bit thin, I just can't get any sibilance. In fact, it's quite the opposite, they can be a bit forgiving at times. With the HD800s, the treble is much brighter.
Originally Posted by yokken
I really don't think it's just the power of suggestion here -- the high treble really is sharp. I EQ'd it down last night which made it listenable but I'm not sure I'm even going to give the HE400s a chance after hearing the HD600s. I love the laid back but detailed signature. I'll most likely be listening to them all night long. Right now I'm in love, compared to the HE400s which were heavy and shrill. I hate to generalize so much, but after how much everyone built them up, they really do hurt to listen to. I love sparkly treble but the HE400s can be downright painful. I'd like to save my hearing, and I feel like the HE400s are trying to kill it.
Now I really need to try the R3s. Have you tried lowering the volume? When you get the Lyr, try putting the volume at 9-10'o clock, it's what I had it on last time.
Edited by TwinQY - 10/5/12 at 4:49pm