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Originally Posted by AManAnd88Keys View Post
 

Cool, I once had the exact same setup as you do now. D18 + M-Stage, my "early days" of Head-Fi :D the M-Stage is great and all, but trust me, there is better out there. You don't know what the D18 is capable of - give it a better amp ;)

I have a WA-2 and a LF332C tube amps so I think I have an idea what the D18 is capable of doing (which is why I am in no hurry to replace it). Sometimes I just like to change over to ss for the transparancy and calarity that you only get from ss. I upgraded the Matrix M stage and I think it pairs very well with the HD800 but I am looking for better ss. I don't think I will improve on my tube amps unless I get into the mega buck territory.

 

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Have you guys used mostly the balanced outputs on the D18? Just curious about D18's sound quality differences between the single and balanced, other things being equal? Thanks!

I use both outputs as I usually have two amps connected but only one amp active at a time of course. The difference in sound can pair with various amps better but in general the balanced output is slightly better, I do not find a huge difference. The I have auditioned many DAC's thinking of replacing the D18 but I guess I am hooked on the overall musicality of the D18 while still preserving most of the detail I hear in higher priced alternatives. Honestly I get as much difference with amp tube rolling as I do with changing many of these alternative dac's. Some of the dac's are hyper detailed at the expense of brightness that I don't care for. I have not listed to dac's over $2500 as I have my limits. Yes, clearly some I have heard are "better" than the D18 but only marginally so. Hard to compare all this in various dealer showrooms and get conclusive results.  

post #962 of 966
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Originally Posted by dfarina View Post
 

If this dropout issue stays the way it is,no big deal letting it warm up for 5 min,but if it gets progressively worse then its obviously going to be a problem.I contacted Yulong about this yesterday morning,still awaiting a response.


My experience of the "dropout  issue" in detail

First it is very consistent regardless of source (tried Emotiva and Rotel  Cd players Bel Canto USB interface, Pure i20, Panasonic Blu Ray)

and input line

Also the dropout has remained constant in character over the last 12 months

In my case there are two or three very brief dropouts in the first five minutes of play then flawless performance

Interestingly if I warm up the unit with no source playing the dropout still occurs when a source is connected

So I generally let it play for a couple of tracks then reset and start again this avoids any disruption to my listening

I run two amps (not at the same time) a LaFigaro 332s out of the RCA and a Violectric HPA V181 out of the XLR

Synergy is great with both amps so I put up with this minor flaw but I would be interested in Yulong's opinion

Perhaps it has something to do with 240v power as all the US units seem to be dropout free

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My experience of the "dropout  issue" in detail

First it is very consistent regardless of source (tried Emotiva and Rotel  Cd players Bel Canto USB interface, Pure i20, Panasonic Blu Ray)

and input line

Also the dropout has remained constant in character over the last 12 months

In my case there are two or three very brief dropouts in the first five minutes of play then flawless performance

Interestingly if I warm up the unit with no source playing the dropout still occurs when a source is connected

So I generally let it play for a couple of tracks then reset and start again this avoids any disruption to my listening

I run two amps (not at the same time) a LaFigaro 332s out of the RCA and a Violectric HPA V181 out of the XLR

Synergy is great with both amps so I put up with this minor flaw but I would be interested in Yulong's opinion

Perhaps it has something to do with 240v power as all the US units seem to be dropout free

Mine is 240V also and I don't have the dropout problem. If your problem is consistent and repeatable then it is pretty obvious you have a defect in the signal lock. I assume you have changed cables to eliminate that possibility. I also imagine you have tried something other than usb input to confirm the usb input is the cause. If you have done all that, then save yourself some grief and return the D18 to Yulong for repair. It is not that big a deal to send it back. I bet Yulong's service dept takes good care of you.

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Thanks so much, brunk and Chodi, for your valid feedback. I know I've been bogging some of you lately, trying to figure out which of those two DACs is for me (the other is the EMO DC-1, of course). But, the price difference considering the obligatory DDC in the Yulong makes it easier to go with the DC-1. I just wanted to confirm why I'm letting down the Yulong, as I cannot take advantage of the balanced outputs. 

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Hi!

 

I connected the DAC using an optical cable throught the external soundcard ST-Lab M-360, sounds jump and stutters impossible to listen! What could be the problem?


Edited by slim23 - Today at 2:43 pm
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Hi!

 

I connected the DAC using an optical cable throught the external soundcard ST-Lab M-360, sounds jump and stutters impossible to listen! What could be the problem?

I have no experience with your external sound card but I do own the D18 so I will try to help. I use a Hiface 2 usb to spidf converter and it works flawlessly with windows drivers on my I7 based computer. I tried the optical output of my xonar card long ago and it worked fine but is limited in sampling rates. I believe your sound card only supports 44.1 and 48khz. I think you would have better luck and get much better results with an internal sound card that supports spidf output. Honestly there are so may inexpensive usb converters on the market now that is really the route I would suggest. The Hiface 2 does a very good job with the D18 but there are many others available also. 

 

In short I believe the sound card is the problem. If it is one of their older models it only supports usb 1.1. More details about the computer you are using would be helpful. The D18 is capable of glorious results with the right input signal. You might also check your driver for your sound card and see if they are the latest. I doubt that there is really any problem with the D18 itself.

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