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post #916 of 1016

Hahhahahha...

 

I will post the same image as you if I have the picture.

 

What kind of song preference do you like?
 

post #917 of 1016
Vocal and jazz.
post #918 of 1016
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by DarKen23 View Post

Apologies for sounding like a newbie. Im trying to understand the complex and mysterious world of USB audio. 

 

Maybe project86 or others that are well knowledged with usb/spdif converters can elaborate on the AES/EBU connectivity (not really related to my last post). Is there a reason people arent using AES/EBU over other connects on a typical to a higher-end converter? Do the Sabre ESS9018 chip have a problem with AES/EBU?

 

I think it probably just comes down to how common that interface is(n't) compared to coaxial SPDIF. If you look at almost any CD player, DVD or Blu-ray player, media streamer, etc, chances are very high it will have a coaxial digital output. Chances are rather low of getting an AES/EBU output. Those are mostly found on higher end CD players and dedicated transports. A few USB to SPDIF converters use them, but even there it's not as common as coaxial. 

 

AES/EBU is a fine choice, arguably the best from a technical standpoint (though some may disagree) but if it's rare to find it on a device then of course it will be less commonly used.

 

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Originally Posted by microcare View Post

I just got he D18+a18 combo

 

I am going to get a headphone. HD650 or  HE-500 ?  base on the reviews, many would suggest HE-500.

 

my budget is USD 700.

 

Personally I like the HE-500 a lot more. HD650 is a classic for sure, and everyone should try it at some point in their HeadFi journey, but for me it is not on the same level as the HE-500. 

post #919 of 1016
Hi project86. Thx. I think the same. But hifiman product is not available in my country. I will have to order online.
post #920 of 1016
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Originally Posted by DarKen23 View Post

Apologies for sounding like a newbie. Im trying to understand the complex and mysterious world of USB audio. 

Maybe project86 or others that are well knowledged with usb/spdif converters can elaborate on the AES/EBU connectivity (not really related to my last post). Is there a reason people arent using AES/EBU over other connects on a typical to a higher-end converter? Do the Sabre ESS9018 chip have a problem with AES/EBU?

I think it probably just comes down to how common that interface is(n't) compared to coaxial SPDIF. If you look at almost any CD player, DVD or Blu-ray player, media streamer, etc, chances are very high it will have a coaxial digital output. Chances are rather low of getting an AES/EBU output. Those are mostly found on higher end CD players and dedicated transports. A few USB to SPDIF converters use them, but even there it's not as common as coaxial. 

AES/EBU is a fine choice, arguably the best from a technical standpoint (though some may disagree) but if it's rare to find it on a device then of course it will be less commonly used.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. Instead of the vlink192, I decided to use the Hiface Evo, both have aes/EBU.
post #921 of 1016

I received my D18 earlier today and Ive had about 6 hours of listen with my current set up via lcd2/Mjolnir, while its too early to say, I can see why so many favor this DAC. Its a real treat to listen to it with the mjolnir, clean across the whole freq range, never fatiguing (odd because the highs and mids are so clear and crisp yet it does not hurt at all, the highs and mids also have very good authority, I kept preparing myself for a treble area where it would usually be painful to listen to on another dac but it never came with any discomfort). I thought the bass was quite nice, almost perfect, it has very good impact but is lacking texture just slightly, clean bass nonetheless, I think if it was emphasized (louder) more it would have been too "bloated", so instead it just has a clean thump with great image. I love my bass, I guess you can say I lean more towards the "basshead" group, and I find the D18 with the mjolnir to be just right. The mids are just gorgeous, cant really express it with other words, effortless and sweet. So far, Im very very pleased with the D18, it continues to surprise me the more I listen. 

the connection with D18/Mjolnir are in paired in balanced mode, xlr both ends.

For those that listen to electronica, purchase a copy of Anthony Papa's album named "Moments II". If you like dark & techy progressive house this album is incredible, both discs of this album is a must have for anyone who prefers the darker side of electronica, similar djs are john digweed, hernan catteno, ---. Anthony Papa's "Moments II" is just sick with this set up. I love it.


Edited by DarKen23 - 7/7/13 at 3:37pm
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Digging up an older thread....I just purchased a used D18 a few days ago,so far I am satisfied with the sound.Earlier in this thread there were some discussions about an update done to the circuit board,looking inside mine it looks like no update was performed.Any word as to the benefits of this update,and can someone confirm my board is unaltered?

post #923 of 1016
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Digging up an older thread....I just purchased a used D18 a few days ago,so far I am satisfied with the sound.Earlier in this thread there were some discussions about an update done to the circuit board,looking inside mine it looks like no update was performed.Any word as to the benefits of this update,and can someone confirm my board is unaltered?


I can't tell anything about the benefits of the "update", but your board looks totally normal to me.

post #924 of 1016

You may have thought of EraserXIV's post or mine, where they seem to have updated the board with a temp fix, sometimes more sloppy than it should have been. Your board seems to be new revised version that integrates the update. If you look at the group surrounding the chip in the center below the braided wire: there is now a small round cap below that chip. That used to be the hack with the small heatsink.

 

In short, you have a newer board: everything's A-OK as far as I can tell.

post #925 of 1016
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Originally Posted by TheGrumpyOldMan View Post
 

You may have thought of EraserXIV's post or mine, where they seem to have updated the board with a temp fix, sometimes more sloppy than it should have been. Your board seems to be new revised version that integrates the update. If you look at the group surrounding the chip in the center below the braided wire: there is now a small round cap below that chip. That used to be the hack with the small heatsink.

 

In short, you have a newer board: everything's A-OK as far as I can tell.


Yep,that is the post I was referring to.Thanks for the info,good to hear I have the up to date board!Another issue I am curious about is the balanced output,most seem to think it sounds better than the RCA output.My amp (Violectric v90) does not have balanced inputs so I purchased a pair of XLR to RCA adapters and tried them out with my exsisting RCA cables.It seems quite clear to me that the RCA connection sounds better,more natural.Using the XLR adapters made things sound brighter to me,to the point of being to bright,in a bad way which is the opposite of what other people are hearing with the XLR connection.I am not jumping to conclusions,thinking possibly the adapters could cause this,so I ordered a set of 1ft XLR to RCA cables hoping that maybe this would give better results?Maybe using any kind of adapter or cable is not a good idea unless you have a balanced amp to begin with?

post #926 of 1016

First thing to note as far as output voltage goes: RCA 2V vs XLR 4.2V. XLR by design outputs a higher voltage, in the case of the D18 more than double of the RCA out. So this will result in an increased volume if everything else remains the same. One may perceive that as a different sound signature, but it's unlikely (however of course up for much debate at HeadFi). Since it -may- be somewhat higher than spec for your RCA INputs, it may introduce some level of distortion which would be unpleasantly audible indeed.

 

Technically it should be OK to use those adapters, though there's been quite some debate on the PFM forums regarding this for the M-DAC, another DAC with balanced outputs (which often mention the use of attenuators...). But you definitely wouldn't get the benefits from them in the way a fully balanced setup would provide. It may be more of a potential benefit if you had very long cable runs, which you don't seem to have.

 

Bottomline is: if RCA out sounds good to you, just stick with it! Enjoy the music! If you feel that cables matter, I'd say just get a nice set of (short) RCA interconnects.

post #927 of 1016
I would not have bothered trying the balanced outs,but unique to this dac the balanced and RCA outs are engineered to have a different sound signature.So I am not looking for the benefit of using a balanced out in its self,but curious to hear the difference,might be more trouble than what it's worth.smily_headphones1.gif
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Hi, as this Dac doesn't have volume knob control, can anyone suggest me how to ge through this problem? My setup is : laptop --> Apple airport express (with optical output) --> Yulong Dac D18 --> Power --> Speakers.  Many thanks.

post #929 of 1016
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Originally Posted by quanghuy147 View Post
 

Hi, as this Dac doesn't have volume knob control, can anyone suggest me how to ge through this problem? My setup is : laptop --> Apple airport express (with optical output) --> Yulong Dac D18 --> Power --> Speakers.  Many thanks.


Hi

Would your windows volume control on your laptop not work with this set-up?Seems like your only option to me?

post #930 of 1016
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Originally Posted by quanghuy147 View Post
 

Hi, as this Dac doesn't have volume knob control, can anyone suggest me how to ge through this problem? My setup is : laptop --> Apple airport express (with optical output) --> Yulong Dac D18 --> Power --> Speakers.  Many thanks.

Don't use the volume control of your OS, as that will reduce resolution and dynamic range. You could buy a well engineered preamp.

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