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post #871 of 999
I absolutely agree with your impressions of the D18 > Mjolnir > HD800 combo. The smoothness of the D18 is just enough to strike a nice balance with Mjolnir and HD800. With the D18 in front of it, I only liked my Woo Audio WA22 tube amp a tad bit more with that combo at almost 2.5x the price. However, with a true neutral or even analytical DAC, that difference would be much larger for me.
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I've had the D18 for around a week and I really like the combo. I have the D18 connected to my Mjolnir and the HD800. While it isn't as good as my other dac it really isn't an earth shattering difference that doesn't really matter 99.9% of the time to me at least. It's also at a pretty good sweet spot. The D18 retails for $700 or $800 (I can't remember which) and is quite the performer. Combined with the Mjolnor and the HD800 and you have a very good sounding rig for under $3k. At a certain point in this hobby the additional gains are made by spending a significant more amount of money. While the D18 is not perfect and I find the lack of usb to be a glaring one it does a very good job of what it is supposed to do. I do find it a slightly smooth dac which I feel makes it more of an audiophile dac rather than the typical dac that tries to have no sound where everything is done on the amp side. If I had multiple amps or headphones that used the D18 as a dac there might be some mismatch but I have a separate rig for my HE6. 
post #872 of 999
So after listening to the Gungnir I picked up on the for sale forums for a couple of long evening listening sessions, I clearly prefer the Yulong D18 I used to have over it so far. The Gungnir is still excellent for its price point. In particular I'm finding it has very open and airy presentation, very nice bass impact, and a pretty balanced and neutral FR to my ears. However, I find the D18 had a darker black background, better micro detail and ambient cues, and a sight warmth to it that I really dug. A good portion of that is just my listening preferences are a better match though.

A couple of complicating factors though is that I had an Audiophilleo2 and PurePower with the D18 that I no longer have, which was clearly helping. Also, the new Musiland. 03 USB converter I am using is new so not sure how much it could change with more time. Overall, I suspect the differences are enough that my preferences wouldn't change despite this.
post #873 of 999
I have the green light.  I ordered mine 2-17-2013 and the tracking started on 2-21-2013, so perhaps during those first few days Yulong was applying the tweak?  If so I'm glad they held up my order because the tweak in my unit looks clean.
 
There are two possible origins for the sloppy tweak:
1) Yulong can now afford to pay a technician to do stuff he previously did all himself
2) Yulong is finally basking in his success and after a long night partying and drinking he'll return to the shop to see if he is truly the drunken master with a solder pen.
 
I think Yulong is cracking up when he reads this thread.  He can tell his industry buddies that his customers actually scrutinize the internal craftsmanship.  I remember looking in a 60wpc LA-Audio tube amp and the point-to-point soldering was so messy I couldn't believe it worked.  I removed a couple solder beads rolling around inside.  My drug addicted plumber is better with flux and solder.  And yet it still sounded amazing.
post #874 of 999

I just opened my D18 which was purchased in July of 2012. I have the mod but it is done very cleanly with the jump wire between r53 and the transistor soldered under the pcb as it should be. All done very properly as I would expect from a good factory. The board in the photos may have been a prototype for the mod that made it's way into production. Just for the record, I hate taking anything apart that is working but i was too curious to avoid this. No solder flux laying all over my pcb it is as clean as can be. Very professional all round.

post #875 of 999

I believe those of us with D18’s that have some flux on the board are going to experience a more “human" and/or "emotional" type of sound.  The perfect boards are going to sound slightly more “robotic” and/or “sterile”.


Edited by mrcasey - 3/24/13 at 12:47pm
post #876 of 999
ROFL nice one.
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ROFL nice one.

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post #878 of 999

Since I am now the Matrix Audio USA rep I have decided to sell my Yulong Sabre D18. It's a great DAC but I no longer have need for it. I just posted it in the For Sale section under source components. 

 

Arthur

post #879 of 999
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Originally Posted by ArthurPower View Post

Since I am now the Matrix Audio USA rep I have decided to sell my Yulong Sabre D18. It's a great DAC but I no longer have need for it. I just posted it in the For Sale section under source components. 

 

Arthur

You could have kept the D18 in your home system.....we wouldn't tell evil_smiley.gif

post #880 of 999

Chodi how do you have your foobar setup, i know you have SoX. Just curious.
 

post #881 of 999
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Chodi how do you have your foobar setup, i know you have SoX. Just curious.
 

The only DSP I am using in foobar is TB Isone. I do have sox and several other dsp's but in the end, I cannot get better sound than with TB Isone. I used sox for some time, months really, to upsample but the negatives outweighed the positive. I finally came to the conclusion that upsampling could not add information that was not in the recording without also adding artifacts that were undesirable. Once properly setup Isone produces such a realistic sound stage that I am satisfied with that alone. I am a compulsive tinkerer. I am totally happy with the results using Isone alone as my dsp. The results are so dramatic with my T1's that I sold all my other headphones and, for the moment, I enjoy all my music with my current setup without the feeling that I am "missing something". I have auditioned the HD800's before and may purchase a pair to compare to my T1's. I was on my way to a Stax 009 (I've owned the 4170 stax system) but now things sound so good I cannot justify the expense. I really don't think you have to spend crazy money to get very good sound and I keep coming back to my T1's. 

post #882 of 999

The D18 so far is the biggest change I've had that helped a system. Prior to the D18 most of my time was spent with the HE6 and since I got the D18 I've barely touched my HE6 other than to put on new cables and make sure they work.

post #883 of 999
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post

The only DSP I am using in foobar is TB Isone. I do have sox and several other dsp's but in the end, I cannot get better sound than with TB Isone. I used sox for some time, months really, to upsample but the negatives outweighed the positive. I finally came to the conclusion that upsampling could not add information that was not in the recording without also adding artifacts that were undesirable. Once properly setup Isone produces such a realistic sound stage that I am satisfied with that alone. I am a compulsive tinkerer. I am totally happy with the results using Isone alone as my dsp. The results are so dramatic with my T1's that I sold all my other headphones and, for the moment, I enjoy all my music with my current setup without the feeling that I am "missing something". I have auditioned the HD800's before and may purchase a pair to compare to my T1's. I was on my way to a Stax 009 (I've owned the 4170 stax system) but now things sound so good I cannot justify the expense. I really don't think you have to spend crazy money to get very good sound and I keep coming back to my T1's. 


Thanks for the wisdom Chodi, i'll check that out.

post #884 of 999

finally pulled the trigger on a D18 to match my Yulong A18.

It is going to replace my good old V DAC II.

Anyone heared these 2 DAC's together in one system?

post #885 of 999
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by TT600R View Post

finally pulled the trigger on a D18 to match my Yulong A18.

It is going to replace my good old V DAC II.

Anyone heared these 2 DAC's together in one system?

 

Yes! A few others around here have the Sabre stack as well, and all who do seem to enjoy it.

 

I love the fact that I can connect XLR and RCA cables at the same time, and use the switch on the rear of A18 whenever I want a slight change in flavor. 

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