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In terms of options, you'll have to decide between the 13 inch and the 15 inch macbooks. To put it simply, the 13's have dual core CPU's, and the 15's have quad core CPU's, so it'll be twice as fast for Final Cut Pro's operations.

 

 
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Err... that's not exactly how it works... More cores would mean the ability to do more at the same time, but not necessarily faster... However if he is going to use Final Cut Pro, buying a PC in the first place would be useless. Final Cut isn't even for Windows as far as I know.

Truthfully, having more cores is really fun and pretty useful, I have no clue how it works in Macs, but in Windows you can set what cores to run a program and that would actually speed up your work. Allowing a number of cores to be doing intensive work while the rest are used for other things. Very useful when you are working in Photoshop, Premiere Pro, and happen to have a CAD program open at the exact same time. Multitasking is a breeze on a 8 core CPU on stock speeds compared to what an overclocked 4 core can do.

 

However at the same time you have to consider aesthetics, battery life, and what OS you like or are willing to use and a whole bunch of other factors. Price is also a huge factor. For me personally the main points for a PC is familiarity with Windows, price, and fun factor, all while being a pretty OS and how much you can customize. And for Macs (though I don't own one yet) and more specifically Macbooks, is the aesthetics, durability, sound level, and engineering. The Macs are known for how awesome they can be, but even if I got one it would be loaded up with Windows and Linux anyways.

 

If you love Final Cut Pro so much you should probably go for the Mac, Hackintosh laptops are a pain the the rear end, and performance will be horrendous anyways. If you are going to be gaming or doing things that will specifically not run on a Mac, perhaps encoding with x264 (though I swear there is a Mac version), or want to have a computer that will do literally everything even if there are problems, then go PC. Err... but stay away from Windows 8 if you can... it isn't all that great... I have it installed on a few older Dell Workstations and I regret it, though the driver support is amazing, saved my butt when I couldn't find them.

 

Of course all of this is my personal opinion mixed with some facts and stuff. I work in Photoshop, Premiere Pro, Solidworks and encode with MeGUI on a regular basis. All while having some interest in computers and the deeper things. I am a Windows person and I stick around Windows 7 and Windows Vista (yes, Vista, it doesn't actually suck that much).

 

All of this is up to you, figure out what you want your computer to do for you, how much you are willing to pay and how much you are willing to comprise. Then go look at the computers that you can buy, play with them. Then make your decision.

 

Good luck.

 

Wait....

So you like Windows Vista but dislike Windows 8? :blink:

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Originally Posted by EveTan View Post
 

I'm looking at http://store.apple.com/us/product/FE664LL/A/refurbished-macbook-pro-23ghz-quad-core-intel-i7-with-retina-display

 

vs the newer Oct 2013 Macbooks http://store.apple.com/us-hed/buy-mac/macbook-pro 13 in $1699 ver and 15in $1899 ver

 

Would it be best to go for the refurb model?

 

Hmmm, that's a tough one.

 

The newer 15in $1899 doesn't have a dedicated GPU like the old refurb one, so the refurb model will be better for gaming. In terms of CPU performance, there isn't a significant difference in terms of raw speed, but the newer model will have better battery life like I mentioned before.

 

The newer model has significantly faster storage though, it's about 30-40% faster than the older model, it will seem a little more responsive in day to day tasks. The newer CPU has a few tricks up it's sleeve for quicker video transcoding, which you may or may not use, but it's something to consider.

 

Personally, I'd go for the newer model, I do think it'll last longer because there's one less part to fail (the dedicated gpu), it'll also run cooler and quieter. Macbooks have pretty good resale value too, so that's something to keep in mind as well.

 

That being said, if you want to save $240, the older model is still a fine machine. ;) 

post #93753 of 132567
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Wait....

So you like Windows Vista but dislike Windows 8? :blink:

Haha, yes. I've gotten that reaction before. I've used Vista for the last 5 years and even though I've experienced problems before, and still do, it is the OS that I'm most used to. And back in the days when people said that Vista as a glitchy piece of of sh*t, I experienced that and endured since it was already installed on my PC and I was too lazy to reinstall to XP. And after Service Pack 2 came out, the only problems I have had are minor interface things and program compatibility (Solidworks is being phased out of Vista after 2014).

 

I have not gotten used to how much has changed in Widows 8, Start menu and many of the basic components of Windows itself has been chucked out the window, heck I had to Google how to turn off a computer in Widows 8. I see a big problem right there. If and when Microsoft brings back the old GUI of Windows, that's the moment I'll start to like Win 8 some more.

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Originally Posted by VXAce View Post

 

Err... that's not exactly how it works... More cores would mean the ability to do more at the same time, but not necessarily faster... However if he is going to use Final Cut Pro, buying a PC in the first place would be useless. Final Cut isn't even for Windows as far as I know.

 

FCP, like practically all video editing software, is multi threaded.

 

A quad core will literally perform operations twice as fast as a similarly clocked dual core.

post #93755 of 132567
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Originally Posted by EveTan View Post

I'm looking at http://store.apple.com/us/product/FE664LL/A/refurbished-macbook-pro-23ghz-quad-core-intel-i7-with-retina-display

vs the newer Oct 2013 Macbooks http://store.apple.com/us-hed/buy-mac/macbook-pro 13 in $1699 ver and 15in $1899 ver


Would it be best to go for the refurb model?

At those prices you could probably get a pretty powerful quad-core Laptop. Unless you absolutely must have Final Cut Pro, in which case, the Mac is the way to go.

Example for a 17" screen: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00COQIKKA/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?qid=1383113169&sr=1-9&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70

And this is Asus' premium RoG line, drop the names and tags and you'll probably find something along the same lines for 200-400 less.
Edited by Exesteils - 10/29/13 at 11:08pm
post #93756 of 132567
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Originally Posted by VXAce View Post
 

heck I had to Google how to turn off a computer in Widows 8.

Alt+F4 on the desktop...it's been working since XP and probably Windows '98.

 

Why did Microsoft have you "Start" to shutdown anyway?

post #93757 of 132567
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Wait....

So you like Windows Vista but dislike Windows 8? :blink:

Haha, yes. I've gotten that reaction before. I've used Vista for the last 5 years and even though I've experienced problems before, and still do, it is the OS that I'm most used to. And back in the days when people said that Vista as a glitchy piece of of sh*t, I experienced that and endured since it was already installed on my PC and I was too lazy to reinstall to XP. And after Service Pack 2 came out, the only problems I have had are minor interface things and program compatibility (Solidworks is being phased out of Vista after 2014).

 

I have not gotten used to how much has changed in Widows 8, Start menu and many of the basic components of Windows itself has been chucked out the window, heck I had to Google how to turn off a computer in Widows 8. I see a big problem right there. If and when Microsoft brings back the old GUI of Windows, that's the moment I'll start to like Win 8 some more.

I was one of those "vista is a piece of s***" folks too.

My friend Chase was on XP until Windows 7 came out, then he got Vista. He loved it... For the first two weeks. Then he started getting random BSODs and such so he upgraded to Windows 7 and hasn't moved on since...

 

Personally, I used to dislike Windows 8 as well. Then I got a job and had to use a Windows 8 laptop to do all my work on, and after getting used to Windows 8's UI (I too had to google how to shut the computer off, or just close the lid :P) I've enjoyed it.

After getting used to all the gestures and stuff though, it's honestly not too bad. Does it take .1 more seconds to load the full windows GUI search thing to search for a file? Sure. Does it still feel like the "apps" and desktop are separated? Of course. But you know what, I don't care.

I upgraded to Windows 8 for the following reasons:

1: Quicker boot times. On my OCZ Vertex 4 SSDs, Windows 8 loads in about 8 seconds (excluding UEFI POST screen) and on my netbook, it takes about 20 seconds with an Intel 320 series SSD (excluding BIOS POST)

2: Better task manager. Sure, it eats through more power starting up, but it gives you a ton of useful information that used to be fairly hidden away.

3: Theming/wallpapers. I liked the fact that you could have the system color change with your background. I also didn't realize that you can also set it so that you have different wallpapers on each of your monitors. While that might bother OCD folks, I enjoy it. 

 

Oh, and I honestly think the lack of a startbar makes me more efficient when I'm using my desktop. Instead using the windows button for shortcuts for stuff, I just memorized the keyboard shortcuts for each respective thing I wanted to do.


Edited by mechgamer123 - 10/29/13 at 11:19pm
post #93758 of 132567
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Originally Posted by deadlylover View Post
 

 

FCP, like practically all video editing software, is multi threaded.

 

A quad core will literally perform operations twice as fast as a similarly clocked dual core.

 

This is where my lack of knowledge in Mac software fails me. And yes I agree. My apologies.

 

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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post
 

Alt+F4 on the desktop...it's been working since XP and probably Windows '98.

 

Might sound weird, but when you don't have a keyboard with you at that exact moment and can't steal one from a nearby computer. One can't simply Alt+F4. 

post #93759 of 132567

No, the speed boosts are definitely not whole-number multipliers - you can calculate the actual efficiency with Amdahl's Law. 

 

So very dependent on the implementation of the program, some things can simply not be parallelized.

 

Of course, there's a lot to do with the actual CPUs as well.

 

OS X is using a Mach-based kernel. Funnily enough, Mach came from the acronym, Multiprocessor Universal Communication Kernel(don't ask me how that works). As the predecessor, it made a lot of progress for IPC and multiple threads - but don't let that fool you, it actually has little to do with multi-core processors at the time, just multiple threads. The handling of that across physical cores on a single chip - that's all SMP. Not sure when SMP really came around for OS X, although I remember them touting multi-core improvements during Leopard, probably some headway then?

post #93760 of 132567
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Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post
 

I was one of those "vista is a piece of s***" folks too.

My friend Chase was on XP until Windows 7 came out, then he got Vista. He loved it... For the first two weeks. Then he started getting random BSODs and such so he upgraded to Windows 7 and hasn't moved on since...

 

Personally, I used to dislike Windows 8 as well. Then I got a job and had to use a Windows 8 laptop to do all my work on, and after getting used to Windows 8's UI (I too had to google how to shut the computer off, or just close the lid :P)

After getting used to all the gestures and stuff though, it's honestly not too bad. Does it take .1 more seconds to load the full windows GUI search thing to search for a file? Sure. Does it still feel like the "apps" and desktop are separated? Of course. But you know what, I don't care.

I upgraded to Windows 8 for the following reasons:

1: Quicker boot times. On my OCZ Vertex 4 SSDs, Windows 8 loads in about 8 seconds (excluding UEFI POST screen) and on my netbook, it takes about 20 seconds with an Intel 320 series SSD (excluding BIOS POST)

2: Better task manager. Sure, it eats through more power starting up, but it gives you a ton of useful information that used to be fairly hidden away.

3: Theming/wallpapers. I liked the fact that you could have the system color change with your background. I also didn't realize that you can also set it so that you have different wallpapers on each of your monitors. While that might bother OCD folks, I enjoy it. 

 

Oh, and I honestly think the lack of a startbar makes me more efficient when I'm using my desktop. Instead using the windows button for shortcuts for stuff, I just memorized the keyboard shortcuts for each respective thing I wanted to do.

Huh, I used to get BSOD on my old rig which is also using Vista, XP and 7 (still does, but after a restart it's fine), but then I found out that my CPU wasn't getting enough power or something. I've been told way too much about the SSD optimization and I actually have an SSD in my main PC, but it just didn't seem worth it to me, even if I already have Windows 8 and Windows 7 licenses. Vista is my home OS and so is 7. But Windows 8 is my "school" OS, it's on workstations at my school which I'm in charge of taking care of, and it's just a pain. I don't spend enough hours in front of it to get used to it, and it doesn't seem to ever want to do what I ask it to do. I had a showdown with it installing some programs a while back, not admin stuff, but random errors about it not being compatible. Then after a reboot, it magically works again.

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By god, your hardware buttons don't do power management/shutdown? Still in 2000 or something?

 

By god, people still gripe about no menu in Win 8? Classic Menu. Of course if I could smack down some bug.n and litestep without it bugging out all the time, that'd be aces as well. 

 

Speaking of which I tried setting up a third-part tiler at the Mac workstation at work, f-it it's really dependent on accessibility access, and since I don't have permissions for that as an user.

post #93762 of 132567
 
Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post
 

No, the speed boosts are definitely not whole-number multipliers - you can calculate the actual efficiency with Amdahl's Law. 

 

So very dependent on the implementation of the program, some things can simply not be parallelized.

 

Of course, there's a lot to do with the actual CPUs as well.

 

Oh you.

 

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Semantics go out the door when you're dealing with a hot shaft-lover.

post #93764 of 132567
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Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post
 

By god, your hardware buttons don't do power management/shutdown? Still in 2000 or something?

 

 

Nah, I'm too short to reach the power button. Computers were stored in a cabinet over head, they've been moved since, for that exact reason, and the fact that cables were a pain and dust bunnies were hopping everywhere.

 

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Oh you.

 

Haha, made me laugh. I didn't know about the Amdahl's Law thing though. Still got a long way to go. Highschool student doing his best to learn.

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Woah 35 new posts?
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Oh, a semi-Apple vs. non-Apple debate plus recommendations for a new PC/laptop.....should have figured.


Is it just me or YouTube pooping its pants right now? Nothing is working.

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