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Nexus 5 will probably be the most glorious device to hit the streets in the next 12 months. #Hype #Speculation

New Samsung? You mean the really old 6 month old one?

 

The scary thing for me is since TI left the mobile CPU game, it seems we haven't seen a drastically new CPU on the android front in the last year and a half, just bumping up the clock a bit. Qualcomm could literally stop innovating the CPU market and still dominate it, probably. Plus, it would take Apple about 4 years to catch up speed wise.

 

Hope you didn't sub to email notifications, we fly at light speed here in this thread.

Also, in response to your comment about my E07k review, I'll repost it here since I think it's a good thing to debate here:

 

Still the 'newest' Samsung.

 

Speed wise in what? Apple dominates the mobility speed market right now.

In raw GHz. I believe Apple is still rolling with dual core CPUs, correct? And only 1GB of RAM.

 

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Just got this email....

 

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Dear students,


You need to learn how to solder in the coming week, the link listed below is a good demonstration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NU2ruzyc4


regards

 

(=_=)

 

Pretty much sums up my engineering / physics courses thus far.

LOL

 

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Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post
 

The scary thing for me is since TI left the mobile CPU game, it seems we haven't seen a drastically new CPU on the android front in the last year and a half, just bumping up the clock a bit. Qualcomm could literally stop innovating the CPU market and still dominate it, probably. Plus, it would take Apple about 4 years to catch up speed wise.

 

I'm pretty sure the 5s just took the performance crown, but that's to be expected, the newest phones are always the fastest.

 

Aren't both Android and Apple phones roughly doubling in speed every year? It doesn't look like it's slowing down yet.

Technically, because of the 64 bit CPU, yeah.

 

Heh, not the Moto X...

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In raw GHz. I believe Apple is still rolling with dual core CPUs, correct? And only 1GB of RAM.

 

LOL

 

Technically, because of the 64 bit CPU, yeah.

 

Heh, not the Moto X...

 

Speed crown in raw numbers belongs to others yes. 

 

However speed tests show that Samsung, Qualcomm and the others need to hire some of Apple's chip engineers. They are all lisencing ARM designs.

 

Nope, the 64bit cpu is not helping really in the speed tests. The apps don't support 64bit that run this

 

Efficency and getting actual performance rather than spreadsheet performance is what Apple has always been doing.

 

Every company has a choice. Either A) buy the SoC's from Qualcomm or Samsung or B) develop it in house.

 

Apple started with option A with ARM based SoC's from Samsung but moved to option B after they realized that if they did it all in house, they could levy all the performance they wanted for their own devices, and possibly do it better. Not only do they have specific designed SoC for their phones' now. They just showed that they could build a better SoC than the rest in terms of actual world performance. Qualcomm, TI(previously), and Samsung are focusing last I checked on the tid bits of the SoC design with more memory bandwith and all that. On paper, this stuff sounds nice except that it didn't really work 

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From what I heard, Samsung manufactured the 5S's CPU. Why can't Samsung just steal THAT from Apple so we can get some gloriously fast Android devices over here?

 

Yeah yeah, I hear ya. Optimization is where it's at.

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In raw GHz. I believe Apple is still rolling with dual core CPUs, correct? And only 1GB of RAM.

Really?!

*googles*
OMG you're right!

 

lol I always see people looking at clock speeds when it's really got nothing much to do with computational power.... if anything, it's got more relation with power consumption.
We should really be looking at IPS or FLOPS instead.

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From what I heard, Samsung manufactured the 5S's CPU. Why can't Samsung just steal THAT from Apple so we can get some gloriously fast Android devices over here?

 

That's illegal. :p

 

I don't think the gap between Apple and Android is thaaat big, I think we'll see some great usability improvements next year once screen resolutions stop at 1080p and the SoC's have time to pull ahead.

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In raw GHz. I believe Apple is still rolling with dual core CPUs, correct? And only 1GB of RAM.

Really?!

*googles*
OMG you're right!

 

lol I always see people looking at clock speeds when it's really got nothing much to do with computational power.... if anything, it's got more relation with power consumption.
We should really be looking at IPS or FLOPS instead.

 

Yeah, it really is about optimization, much like everything Apple does. 

Meanwhile in the Windows/Android camp:

 

 

These pictures sum up most Head-fier's opinions on amps as well...

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Random fact: the 8051 processor in P-H can do 1 MIPS @ 12MHz :p

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Heya~

 

Nah, it's better now.

 

lol since when is he called "bowow" ?

Oh that's nice. Talk about party city... 

Since wink came here!

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Pretty good, what are you doing? College too?

Probably... either that or life :p

 

 

Well off to sleep. Love sleeping at normal times instead of 12-1 in the morning. Have pleasant dreams everyone :D


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Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post
 

From what I heard, Samsung manufactured the 5S's CPU. Why can't Samsung just steal THAT from Apple so we can get some gloriously fast Android devices over here?

 

That's illegal. :p

 

I don't think the gap between Apple and Android is thaaat big, I think we'll see some great usability improvements next year once screen resolutions stop at 1080p and the SoC's have time to pull ahead.

Pfft, has Samsung ever cared about legality in stuff they stole from Apple before? :D

 

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Random fact: the 8051 processor in P-H can do 1 MIPS @ 12MHz :p

But can it run crysis?

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Originally Posted by b1o2r3i4s5 View Post
 

Random fact: the 8051 processor in P-H can do 1 MIPS @ 12MHz :p

 

More than enough to take it to the moon and back!

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But can it run crysis?

I'll leave it up to you CS guys to make that happen :p

Maybe I'll use a 8086 processor in my next amp so you guys can install windows!
Technically 8086 is an x86 chip too.... maybe it can run Win7!!

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Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post
 

From what I heard, Samsung manufactured the 5S's CPU. Why can't Samsung just steal THAT from Apple so we can get some gloriously fast Android devices over here?

 

Yeah yeah, I hear ya. Optimization is where it's at.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/167070-iphone-5s-reverse-engineered-confirms-a7-soc-produced-by-samsung-reveals-m7

 

Yep, seems to be tis true

 

Intellectual property, laws, legality. And saying that Apple's smaller chip design teams created something better than Samsung's and thus they will now steal it.

 

A lot is also dealing with the OS. They all are using ARM Lisenced instruction sets and basic designs so its not that big

 

But Android makers have huge problems. Support for tens of phones with an OS that is meant to support thousands of phones.

The SoC's need to be unspecific enough from Samsung so they can maybe drop it into another phone or sell it(very often) and so its a broad SoC.

 

NOT TO MENTION, the OS is not optomized for a specific SoC. Apple can make their OS uber uber uber optomized and efficent working with their SoC's so everything is handled amazingly well. Android makers can't do this or aren't. Sure, they could maybe make uber custom versions of Android for full support with SoC X made for ONLY one phone....or make custom but broad versions of Android with an SoC that works in a few phones and for export to other companies. Which is what they are doing.

 

Samsung isn't losing by that much and they always have chips in development that are already faster in actual performance than Apple's already. It's not a problem

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That's illegal. :p

 

I don't think the gap between Apple and Android is thaaat big, I think we'll see some great usability improvements next year once screen resolutions stop at 1080p and the SoC's have time to pull ahead.

yep, not that big

 

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Yeah, it really is about optimization, much like everything Apple does. 

Meanwhile in the Windows/Android camp:

 

 

These pictures sum up most Head-fier's opinions on amps as well...

omfg, this is so fricking true

 

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Random fact: the 8051 processor in P-H can do 1 MIPS @ 12MHz :p

 

oh schiit

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Oh that's nice. Talk about party city... 

Since wink came here!

Probably... either that or life :p

 

 

Well off to sleep. Love sleeping at normal times instead of 12-1 in the morning. Have pleasant dreams everyone :D

thanks! you too

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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post
 

NOT TO MENTION, the OS is not optomized for a specific SoC. Apple can make their OS uber uber uber optomized and efficent working with their SoC's so everything is handled amazingly well. Android makers can't do this or aren't. Sure, they could maybe make uber custom versions of Android for full support with SoC X made for ONLY one phone....or make custom but broad versions of Android with an SoC that works in a few phones and for export to other companies. Which is what they are doing.

 

I think SoC's are going to be so fast in 3 years that the real world speed differences between phones are just going to be academic. I don't think optimisation is really going to matter all that much anymore.

 

I'm playing around with the iPhone 5 browsing full desktop websites with tons of images (like sankaku and the like), and I really can't imagine things getting significantly smoother/faster.

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I think SoC's are going to be so fast in 3 years that the real world speed differences between phones are just going to be academic. I don't think optimisation is really going to matter all that much anymore.

 

I'm playing around with the iPhone 5 browsing full desktop websites with tons of images (like sankaku and the like), and I really can't imagine things getting significantly smoother/faster.

 

Mores Law is seriously done through optomization. Optomization and efficency will always have an effect on how small, fast, and cool microprocessors are.

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