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@mbamg, from my list, Onani master kurosawa is the same with molester man, only with more NSFW in the earlier chapters. Nothing explicit mind you, but it's something that can make someone looking over your shoulder to raise their eyebrow and question whether to report you in or not.
Psycho Pass 20 (Click to show)
I have to say Sibyl (the council of brains) is kind of stupid for leaving the granary guarded just like that using the old school way and not using cymatic scanners. Look at what happens now. You might say "hurr Makishima is a variable durr". Well, "they" (Sibyl, council of brains) predicted, nay, are certain that variables will arise and they know this could happen. And yet they in their hubris chose to ignore it and hope that whoever is that variable will join Sibyl and control Japan. Sure, I guess in all those 20-ish years (Ginoza's dad, the old Enfoncer is a detective before SIbyl and Ginoza is old enough by that time to remember how his dad broke down and ruin their family. And Ginoza I would assume is in his late 20s if not already in his 30s) all those variables do accept Sibyl's offer to become brains in jars, but even then... they should've had at least Plan D or something.

Also Akane-chan is so damn kakkoi this week.
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@mbamg, from my list, Onani master kurosawa is the same with molester man, only with more NSFW in the earlier chapters. Nothing explicit mind you, but it's something that can make someone looking over your shoulder to raise their eyebrow and question whether to report you in or not.
Psycho Pass 20 (Click to show)
I have to say Sibyl (the council of brains) is kind of stupid for leaving the granary guarded just like that using the old school way and not using cymatic scanners. Look at what happens now. You might say "hurr Makishima is a variable durr". Well, "they" (Sibyl, council of brains) predicted, nay, are certain that variables will arise and they know this could happen. And yet they in their hubris chose to ignore it and hope that whoever is that variable will join Sibyl and control Japan. Sure, I guess in all those 20-ish years (Ginoza's dad, the old Enfoncer is a detective before SIbyl and Ginoza is old enough by that time to remember how his dad broke down and ruin their family. And Ginoza I would assume is in his late 20s if not already in his 30s) all those variables do accept Sibyl's offer to become brains in jars, but even then... they should've had at least Plan D or something.

Also Akane-chan is so damn kakkoi this week.

He already read both of them if I remember correctly.

 

The show of course has to be flawed...if it wasn't, we wouldnt have an interesting show. 

 

pp 20! (Click to show)

 

 

In terms of ideologies and their ideals, I am still with the Sibyl System, but of course, if everything was perfect, we wouldnt have the show

 

Akane chan? She is...but her logic fails her at times. But of course, that is just her, a character who doesn't need logic. She goes by her heart which itself is admirable. Characters have to be like her of course. If everyone realized what they hell they were saying or talking about, we wouldn't be able to enjoy anything.

 

When Sibyl shut her up about her ideals. I was like -damn right!-

 

 

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PP 20 cont (Click to show)
In a sense, that stupidity by Sibyl shows that they are, in the end, still human and still prone to irrational and obvious-in-hindsight errors. Besides, Akane is being more human than most other female characters in a looooong time IMO.
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PP 20 cont (Click to show)
In a sense, that stupidity by Sibyl shows that they are, in the end, still human and still prone to irrational and obvious-in-hindsight errors. Besides, Akane is being more human than most other female characters in a looooong time IMO.

 

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I believe in the ideals of the Sibyl System. But to make a show a show. You need to make it faulty.

 

They of course are making those errors. In reality, calculating the risk of exposing their system to Akane and Makishima would have been done well in advance with REAL security measures and what not.

 

Faults are needed to make a show interesting. I just wish that I can love the Sibyl System a bit more but sadly, the faults also make the show interesting

 

I think that while I can rant on all day about how ___ shouldn't have happened in a more truer realization of this world because of ____ and ____ but it all relates back to how if that was true. We wouldn't have an anime to watch at all.

post #63050 of 120827
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm implying that's the genius of the show. Make Sibyl too perfect and Gen-chan will have do a Deus Ex Machina. Which I hate a lot. This, on the other hand, is perfect.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm implying that's the genius of the show. Make Sibyl too perfect and Gen-chan will have do a Deus Ex Machina. Which I hate a lot. This, on the other hand, is perfect.

I wasn't either. I wanted to talk about the show and was just doing a rant out to space on why I like it, but also don't like how Sibyl is protrayed a bit..incorrectly.

 

I'm ok with Deus Ex Machina type of endings or happenings. The ones that built up to one and artfully work it in are fine with me. But when they add some ex nihilo crap to it and super man comes flying out of nowhere, then I have a problem


Edited by bowei006 - 3/8/13 at 10:08am
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The thing is, Psycho pass hasn't been building up itself to allow Deus Ex Machina, and honestly if Gen-chan were to pull one, I will be very mad. I mean, his previous original work, Madoka, pulled one but it makes sense, kind of. This one... doesn't. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I mean the hyperoats thing is done slightly weird (lol hidden BBS discussing about how to topple Sibyl) but in the end, it's not done in away that they are spoonfeeding the audience directly, but in a more subtle way.

Deus ex machina in Madoka? Sure, why not. In Gurren Lagann (not his work I know, but that has so many in it). The f do I care since it's pretty over the top and it doesn't take itself hypercerial. In Symphogear? Yeah I'm mad but then it's more because it's a wasted potential of original IP. I'm trying to think of other deus ex machina that I hate, but since I usually will ragequit and try my hard to forget it, I can't lol.

What do yo like about Sibyl btw, and what were you hoping it to be? Because like I said a while back with Gen the Butcher's style, once he showed what he's doing, his move is kind of straight-forward until he pulls another WTF that makes sense somehow.

Like in Saya no Uta.
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The thing is, Psycho pass hasn't been building up itself to allow Deus Ex Machina, and honestly if Gen-chan were to pull one, I will be very mad. I mean, his previous original work, Madoka, pulled one but it makes sense, kind of. This one... doesn't. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I mean the hyperoats thing is done slightly weird (lol hidden BBS discussing about how to topple Sibyl) but in the end, it's not done in away that they are spoonfeeding the audience directly, but in a more subtle way.

Deus ex machina in Madoka? Sure, why not. In Gurren Lagann (not his work I know, but that has so many in it). The f do I care since it's pretty over the top and it doesn't take itself hypercerial. In Symphogear? Yeah I'm mad but then it's more because it's a wasted potential of original IP. I'm trying to think of other deus ex machina that I hate, but since I usually will ragequit and try my hard to forget it, I can't lol.

What do yo like about Sibyl btw, and what were you hoping it to be? Because like I said a while back with Gen the Butcher's style, once he showed what he's doing, his move is kind of straight-forward until he pulls another WTF that makes sense somehow.

Like in Saya no Uta.

 

It it building it up

 

 

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The characters haven't really built themselves up and the support characters aren't actually gearing up for a job. Akane has advanced and improve and so has Kogami but its not to high levels. I'm also feeling a bit of a Deus Ex

Deus Ex happens in a lot of shows. Some very small and subtle, and others in your face WTF-ness when some character then gets an uber gun popped out of nowhere

I'm looking at you

 

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valkyria chronicles

 

What do I like about Sibyl? Well first of all, erase Psycho Pass's 'bias' from your mind. That series encompases its failures and is showing a reality where it does fail due to ___ and ___. Take a spin in the world that they are in BEFORE Makishima arrives.

 

They are a society who

 

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are self sufficent. They are so self sufficent that other countries barely know what the hell is going on in Japan as they need not food or money from the outside world. Episode 19 and 20 showed it. It showed something many have forgotten about. The people are for the most part happy. They may get default jobs now and choices, but they need not rely on netowkring, chance, luck, and birth to get them through life. Although their life choices are more restrained, they still poessess natural wants and needs and thoughts. Society is self sufficent, happy, and crime is so low in their society that armed heavy robotics need not be mass produced.

 

One rant of the series I had was why the huge roobitics or guns or a mass amount of armed robots shown in the after riot episode were used. Why was it not there. I believe Gen did this extremely well but very subtly in saying that society in their time has come to such a place where those aren't needed. 

 

Pscyhoo Pass and Sibyl are just advanced forms of a current police force. What is the basics of a police force? To keep the people in their place as working members of soceity and to allow the working class to get to and from their jobs and to perform their societal functions without disturbances of those who do not fit in said society. That is the basic thought of what a police force is.

 

So now we add it all in, the people are happy and en mass content with their lives. They have happiness, sadness, marriage, contempt, and all those things we call life. 

 

People by default also have contempt for one another. For those in power. Look at talk today! Politics! Corruption!. Robotics possibly being a no bias good system to use! We offload much maintenance and workings to robotics today. Airbus (airplane maker) for example does not allow captains of the airplane to make any commands the computer does not deem safe.

 

So in this society, to get the people to trust the big man, it was needed to be told to everyone that Sibyl was an automated computerized process. How else were people going to trust it. People already dont trust people. There is opposition to computerizing government as we see today. But in Gen's future, the opposition has died out(today, in reality it already has, many things we do are already computerized). 

 

And thus to lead the people, a lie must be used. In history from American government to Russian government etc etc. It was decided that the people were not educated enough to perform the task of having a 'real' descision or say in the force. And only the chosen would. In the old times, it was the property owners. In PP's time, it is those whose minds have transceneded oridinary human thought.

 

 

But even with that said, how can we be sure that Sibyl works?

 

Well in the show, before Makishima shows up. The system works and it works extremely well(we are ignoring the flaws placed into it that Gen put in, we are not talking about the 'anime' but of the future where this is happening without the flaws to get the show interesting)

 

Makishima is not a mis understood person. One thing most anime villains don't have is that human quality. Makishima CLEARLY realizes that the system is working. He doesn't really disapprove it as a not working system. He is just a man that doesn't like the system of others judging the people hipocritically(after he learned the truth) or in more simpler terms. He wants a more fair'er world where those that don't fit in are cast away.

 

He is a very human anime antagonist. His wants can clearly be ranted on as being illogical, but he is an illogical person. He wants what he wants, its his vision. Simply it

 

 

I spent time on that, please tell me you read it

 

 

I feel alive with conversation and enlightened thought and topics today!

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I'm reading it don't worry.
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The idiots on this forum are making me facepalm. Its not even just a matter of making stuff of related to subjectivity, its the inability to follow a simple argument against a poorly designed buisiness model and waving around the product you support in barely legible english and ignoring everything the person you're replying to said and just saying "this is awesome and sounds the best~~~". Probably going to unsubscribe from most threads apart from this one.

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The idiots on this forum are making me facepalm. Its not even just a matter of making stuff of related to subjectivity, its the inability to follow a simple argument against a poorly designed buisiness model and waving around the product you support in barely legible english and ignoring everything the person you're replying to said and just saying "this is awesome and sounds the best~~~". Probably going to unsubscribe from most threads apart from this one.

What thread would that be? Anyways i wonder if i should buy a pair of maddogs for $210 with dog pads.. My nights will be lonely without my C4s.

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What thread would that be? Anyways i wonder if i should buy a pair of maddogs for $210 with dog pads.. My nights will be lonely without my C4s.

 

I'll skype it tew you~. I feel listening to c4's at night is less risky than listening to maddogs at night.

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The idiots on this forum are making me facepalm. Its not even just a matter of making stuff of related to subjectivity, its the inability to follow a simple argument against a poorly designed buisiness model and waving around the product you support in barely legible english and ignoring everything the person you're replying to said and just saying "this is awesome and sounds the best~~~". Probably going to unsubscribe from most threads apart from this one.

pm the thread to me

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It it building it up

First of, if the "deus ex machina" is done subtly and done so in a way that it makes sense in context, that's not deus ex machina. That's called good writing. Deus ex machina is more like this:


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A Deus Ex Machina is when some new event, character, ability, or object solves a seemingly unsolvable problem in a sudden, unexpected way. If the secret documents are in Russian, one of the spies suddenly reveals that they learned the language. If the writers have just lost funding, a millionaire suddenly arrives, announces an interest in their movie, and offers all the finances they need to make it. If The Hero is dangling at the edge of a cliff with a villain stepping on his fingers, a flying robot suddenly appears to save him.

Some PP 20 spoiler (Click to show)
You could argue that the hyperoats thing is one such thing but if you look back at ep. 2 when Akane was taking a shower, the AI jellyfish asked her what to eat for breakfast and she asked for Chinese-flavoured breakfast. Then in the next scene :3 the show showed how the Chinese-flavoured breakfast looks like processed space food of the future. It's been alluded/foreshadowed that the food they used is processed, and then they explained that it's HYPAHOATZU.
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One rant of the series I had was why the huge roobitics or guns or a mass amount of armed robots shown in the after riot episode were used. Why was it not there. I believe Gen did this extremely well but very subtly in saying that society in their time has come to such a place where those aren't needed. 

I agree. The Japanese society doesn't need it to protect itself from within; that's what Sibyl is for; but to protect themselves from without; i.e. from the other foreign nations. The drones are used as border controls. In the episode with the riots, Division 1 said that it needed to reprogram the border drones to control the riots.

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Makishima is not a mis understood person. One thing most anime villains don't have is that human quality. Makishima CLEARLY realizes that the system is working. He doesn't really disapprove it as a not working system. He is just a man that doesn't like the system of others judging the people hipocritically(after he learned the truth) or in more simpler terms. He wants a more fair'er world where those that don't fit in are cast away.

He is a very human anime antagonist. His wants can clearly be ranted on as being illogical, but he is an illogical person. He wants what he wants, its his vision. Simply it

I think I understand what you hate about it actually: Makishima himself. I mean like you said, if Makishima didn't come you wouldn't know all this things about Sibyl and would've just be as happy as most people in PP-Japan. I think in the next 2 episodes Gen will tell the story of why Makishima is doing all this, but for now it looks like the typical anarchist. He said so himself actually why he's dong all this: in this world of sugar-coated tyranny, he want to see what will people on the edge do when they are given a real choice to make. He does it for that hikikomori dude that plays around in anarchists' forums things. He gave that female student artist the freedom to express herself more fully. The biggest one, I think, was he gave Akane real power to judge someone by giving her a shotgun to stop him from killing Yuki. He is, for all intents and purposes, Chaos; just want to see the world burn. He said that too when Sibyl offered him to join them.

Now on to Sibyl's flaws. I would like to think that I know how Gen thinks with this. Since I am assuming that Makishima, for now, it just Chaos, and as you said that Sibyl is Order; a perfect one to all eyes; he just want to see how the populace will react. And in all that effort, we know that Sibyl is as flawed as humans are, since they are essentially still human. In a sense, this is like "bring down the Big Brother" thing, only the populace is actually happy for once, and the rebel is just some psychopath.

I feel like the show, looking relatively in its universe/timeline, is showing how Sibyl usually deals with psychopaths that it can't judge through cymatic scan, and failing. Usually all those psychopaths agree on Sibyl's offer, but this one time it's someone like Makishima, a, so far and dare I say, chaotic neutral. He is the MacGuffin to show how flawed is Sibyl is.

That's what I think at least. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

For the record, I'm not conveniently ignoring your long post on the world of Psycho-Pass; I agree with it too.
Edited by jgray91 - 3/8/13 at 12:31pm
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