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You know what's interesting?
In the manga kissa it's usually the boys reading the really girly shoujo manga, and the girls are usually reading the really gory fighting manga. No joke.
LOL
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Ooh! Conflict! I'll have to check it out then!
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Anywhos, I'm going to sleep. Oyasumi minna!
Oyasumi~
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gg being slow again.

I don't want Nutbladder's subs, yet I do want to watch JoJo. mad.gif
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Hey guys, it's been a long time since I've posted here.

What are you guys being up to these days?

 

Psycho-Pass really does get better and better at each episodes, they even changed the ED sequence to a more serious look and each time Egoist's Namae no nai Kaibutsu starts playing, I just crank the volume to 100% and start grooving with the music. Can't wait till the full version releases in 10 days.

Other than that, I've been watching the first episode of Shinsekai Yori as per recommendation from someone in a Indonesian Audiophile forum. First episode is quite confusing, I thought it was set in the past because the setting really does feel like it's set in 15-16th Century Japan which didn't make any sense at first (the first minute of the anime started in modern Japan) until I read a bit and everything make sense now.

 

Oh yeah, leaving this:

The problem with Beats headphones in Indonesia. (Excuse me for ****ty camera phone)

 

1000

 

Yep, it takes the whole keeping it real fake at a whole new level. Rather than make an exact copy, why not have a totally different design and slap a "b" logo on it. Profit???

They really are desperate.

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Uchuu Kyoudai 34
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@mbag
English and french arent hard. It depends on your geographic. Studies show that countries farther away and more isolated have harder languages. Icelandian for example is hard for native english speakers

@vortex
Yeah psychoo pass is getting interesting. It has the pre requisites to pull a GC if it fails though. Even funnier if it did fail was that they even brough back Egoist in it.

Yeah... Just keep watching shinesekai. It has a nice story and how or whats happening but it is way to ambitious foe the people making it and thus falls flat sometimes, especially in execution and plot continuation, faulty character development(or weird ones), and faulty animation sometimes
@mechy
Co grats on post

Yeah... Hard to lean

Its fine, take it easy

The companies are shipping out massive orders. Take it easy man.
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You definitely had an advantage already knowing kanji... which many other people don't have the luxury of knowing previously. Then again, being English born I understand English a bit better. But I must agree with you that English can be really confusing.

 

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For me English was much easier to learn, but that's mainly because I had a very high amount of exposure to the language with pretty much 100% of the games I played being in English right from the time I got my gameboy (I was 6 or 7, I think). And then I went to an international school when I was 12 on top of that.
I've been meaning to buy Minna no Nihongo, but it's really expensive everywhere I've looked. If I can find it for €50 or less somewhere, I'll probably buy their JLPT2 text book.
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I think you guys misunderstood me when I was talking about Japanese being easier to learn than English. It's not just easier for me because I have a Chinese background. In Japanese the sentence structures and conjugation are usually very consistent, and even exceptions follow a set of rules. English and French are a hodgepodge of Latin, Norse, Greek, the Germanic languages, and whatever the rest of the languages contribute in vocabulary. Some of their aspects are downright ridiculous, like the use of capitalization. I took the course with a 3rd-generation Canadian who took Linguistics classes, and apart from the Kanji, he found it to be pretty straightforward. I didn't find the need for immersion when learning Japanese.

 

Haha I've learned most of my English from reading. I've read countless books from Grade 1 up until Grade 11 (I was an avid reader, and then I got into anime -_-)

 

I've always enjoyed reading ads (it gave me a critical eye for graphic design) and magazines, and started reading the newspaper in Grade 4.


Edited by mbamg - 11/25/12 at 8:36am
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I actually learned many Japanese words from H........
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Regular practice is the most important ingredient in learning any language, but sadly also the most difficult.
I do think Japanese is a difficult language, much more so than any European language I have learned (Latin, Spanish, French and English). Mainly because the grammar is completely different, and also because you get a complete shock when you suddenly have to learn a new writing system. When writing stuff in Spanish I can do literal translations from Dutch or English for a lot of phrases and it still works, in Japanese it pretty much never works, and even basic phrases can prove difficult to remember and understand.
Spanish was easy. Didn't really like learning it, but it definitely wasn't difficult. French neither, both are relatively simple languages.

 

I dunno. For whatever reason Japanese seemed really easy and simple to me, while Spanish was an incomprehensible nightmare. Learning hiragana and katakana took almost no effort. Kanji took a little, but not a lot. Now that I'm not taking a class anymore that forces me to regularly learn and practice though, I'm totally gone except for basics and when I see/hear random stuff in anime that I understand, haha.

 

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I think you guys misunderstood me when I was talking about Japanese being easier to learn than English. It's not just easier for me because I have a Chinese background. In Japanese the sentence structures and conjugation are usually very consistent, and even exceptions follow a set of rules. English and French are a hodgepodge of Latin, Norse, Greek, the Germanic languages, and whatever the rest of the languages contribute in vocabulary. Some of their aspects are downright ridiculous, like the use of capitalization. I took the course with a 3rd-generation Canadian who took Linguistics classes, and apart from the Kanji, he found it to be pretty straightforward. I didn't find the need for immersion when learning Japanese.

 

Maybe this. I got a similar impression...

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@vortex
Yeah psychoo pass is getting interesting. It has the pre requisites to pull a GC if it fails though. Even funnier if it did fail was that they even brough back Egoist in it.
Yeah... Just keep watching shinesekai. It has a nice story and how or whats happening but it is way to ambitious foe the people making it and thus falls flat sometimes, especially in execution and plot continuation, faulty character development(or weird ones), and faulty animation sometimes

Lets just hope that it will still continue to deliver the goods although I highly doubt that it will fail since the story concept and script for Psycho is by Gen Urobuchi who is known for the story, screenplay of Blassreiter, Fate/Zero, Phantom ~Requiem for the Phantom~, Puella Magi Madoka Magica and numerous Nitro+ VNs. So it's bound to be great.

Oh and come on, even if GC might be a big kind of deception, at least the soundtrack hits all the right marks for a very good soundtrack. Plus Egoist is actually very nice. I absolutely love their Extra Terrestrial Biological Entities album.

 

Yeah, I really do feel that Shinsekai Yori tries hard to go to their unique direction but sometimes it just feels a bit confusing, like the jump plots, sudden cuts, narrative driven moments and art. I feel  that watching the first two episodes, it's like a collage, a beautiful one but a collage will never have the same beauty as a painting.


Edited by VortexBlast - 11/25/12 at 9:06am
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Languages like English require a good memory. I recall my Grade 9 English teacher telling the class that the English vocabulary of the average Canadian is around 20,000 words, and that it was around 50,000 80 years ago (In comparison, you only need to know at most 2,000 Chinese characters for daily activities). He never mentioned his source, so...

 

But yeah, English is being butchered. Wish the government would step in and defend it.


Edited by mbamg - 11/25/12 at 9:09am
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Hmmm, if you guys say that Japanese is actually very straightforward, is it easy to learn?

I'm learning German right now and I must tell you that it's a terrible nightmare. There are many rules in the German language but even those rules I really can't make sense for it. Reading a German text for me takes a bloody long time because it's not a fluid and beautiful language, not like French which I'm fluent.

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Hmmm, if you guys say that Japanese is actually very straightforward, is it easy to learn?

I'm learning German right now and I must tell you that it's a terrible nightmare. There are many rules in the German language but even those rules I really can't make sense for it. Reading a German text for me takes a bloody long time because it's not a fluid and beautiful language, not like French which I'm fluent.

 

As messed up as German seems to be for beginners it's at least more logical than English. At least they have a use for capitalization - to denote all nouns.

 

Japanese should be easier. I like how you could just change affirmation to negatives just by tacking something on at the end of the sentence. The Kanji would be a huge learning curve for you, though, as there's a stroke order that you need to learn.

 

I never understood why my Japanese instructor never took some time to explain the basic Kanji strokes in class. Sometimes the Chinese stroke order doesn't carry over into Japanese, even though they may use the same characters.

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@vortex
Yep, its good points were the songs it have us
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I think you guys misunderstood me when I was talking about Japanese being easier to learn than English. It's not just easier for me because I have a Chinese background. In Japanese the sentence structures and conjugation are usually very consistent, and even exceptions follow a set of rules. English and French are a hodgepodge of Latin, Norse, Greek, the Germanic languages, and whatever the rest of the languages contribute in vocabulary. Some of their aspects are downright ridiculous, like the use of capitalization. I took the course with a 3rd-generation Canadian who took Linguistics classes, and apart from the Kanji, he found it to be pretty straightforward. I didn't find the need for immersion when learning Japanese.

Haha I've learned most of my English from reading. I've read countless books from Grade 1 up until Grade 11 (I was an avid reader, and then I got into anime -_-)

I've always enjoyed reading ads (it gave me a critical eye for graphic design) and magazines, and started reading the newspaper in Grade 4.

While Japanese grammar is consistent, it is very different from most European grammar. When learning pretty much any European language the grammar is really similar in terms of structure.
Furthermore I would not at all argue that Japanese grammar is easy to learn. Once you get past the very basics, you'll see that there is some pretty tough stuff. Sure, conjugating is easy, but there are plenty of things that are quite difficult.
I found Spanish grammar a LOT more easy than Japanese, and I got pretty far in Spanish. Additionally, when learning Spanish I could import a lot of words from my English and Dutch vocabulary.

English grammar is simpler than Japanese, in my experience. Exceptions are something you can learn through regular practice, but elementary grammar is more difficult to learn this way.
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Originally Posted by mbamg View Post

Languages like English require a good memory. I recall my Grade 9 English teacher telling the class that the English vocabulary of the average Canadian is around 20,000 words, and that it was around 50,000 80 years ago (In comparison, you only need to know at most 2,000 Chinese characters for daily activities). He never mentioned his source, so...

But yeah, English is being butchered. Wish the government would step in and defend it.

Your vocabulary size depends a lot on how much you read, and what you count as 'knowing' a word, and what you count as word. For example, do you count each separate meaning of the word 'bank' as a separate word, or is it just one word? And do you count knowing a word as using it on a regular basis, being able to recall it when necessary, or being able to decipher the meaning when reading it.
If you count hononyms as separate, and only consider recognition vocabulary 50k shouldn't be too hard. It sounds like a loud of bull that vocab has decreased, with exposure to more written text from different cultures it should if anything drastically increase. It all depends on how you count the words.

And if you know 2k Chinese characters, you probably know at least 10k words to form with them. So that's not all that different from English.
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Hmmm, if you guys say that Japanese is actually very straightforward, is it easy to learn?
I'm learning German right now and I must tell you that it's a terrible nightmare. There are many rules in the German language but even those rules I really can't make sense for it. Reading a German text for me takes a bloody long time because it's not a fluid and beautiful language, not like French which I'm fluent.

German is tough in terms of conjugation and use of tenses, and because of that relatively difficult to learn. But for Dutch speakers it would be a lot easier, since we share a heap of vocabulary.
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Originally Posted by mbamg View Post

As messed up as German seems to be for beginners it's at least more logical than English. At least they have a use for capitalization - to denote all nouns.

Japanese should be easier. I like how you could just change affirmation to negatives just by tacking something on at the end of the sentence. The Kanji would be a huge learning curve for you, though, as there's a stroke order that you need to learn.

I never understood why my Japanese instructor never took some time to explain the basic Kanji strokes in class. Sometimes the Chinese stroke order doesn't carry over into Japanese, even though they may use the same characters.

Stroke order is not something you need to learn at all.
First of all, when do you ever WRITE kanji?
Secondly, if you know the stroke order of 100 kanji, you'll see the patterns. I 'know' the stroke order of pretty much any kanji just by looking at it.
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