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post #13396 of 134565
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Originally Posted by Tilpo View Post


I personally think the NFB-12 is an excellent choice for a budget amp/DAC, but then again, it's the only unit of the sort I have ever heard. Very few people have actually compared multiple budget amp/DAC's as far as I know. I do know Brooko choose the NFB-12 over the FiiO E7+E9, so it can't be all that bad. Furthermore, the NFB-12 is fairly neutral and has plenty of power, so it should be pretty future proof too.

 

 

I think in the budget range for peoples first buys, they should just go for equipment that is highly touted and don't worry too much beyond that. Just make sure it doesn't have synergy problems with the headphones you plan to get. With low end equipment, that's usually never a problem.

post #13397 of 134565

WEll it's up to Hai-by  chan (lol)

 

if he wants to take the slow and simple path or the full out path. But it will be easy to choose ......because I'll get him to go down to the new opening headphone shop and test it out himself!

 

 

And I'll see if I can meet you at the next meet Bdawk senpai!! :)

post #13398 of 134565
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That was a very interesting demo! However when they did do the demo, I wasn't convinced of the full ramifcations on its success yet. It still needs to fulfill the real life stage. Theretically it sounds nice!! But when they did it, it was meh.

 

Yup. Theoretically this would be so awesome. The fly thing was not that convincing, but I think the people talking around the table at the end worked quite well. I was listening through my speaker setup. Sansui G-5700 -> Polk Monitor 40. Personally, I'm waiting for the day that someone invents smell-o-vision. That would would truly be an amazing experience, especially with a Makoto Shinkai movie! I remember thinking that while I was watching them, haha.

 

 

 

Also, to add to the Haiby advice train. I'm not the most experienced person ever, but it has been my personal experience that the difference between electronics is really small (if anything) compared to the difference between headphones. If it were me, rather than doing something like splitting my budget in half, I would would get the cheapest but decent DAC/amp possible, and then spend as much as possible on headphones. Just my 2 cents.


Edited by manveru - 6/15/12 at 2:57pm
post #13399 of 134565

lol I dunno when that will be, especially if you aren't willing to travel outside of New York confused_face.gif

 

 

And yep, it's up to hybrid. Do your research, that's all we can really ask.

post #13400 of 134565
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Like I said, some people just feel it unnecessary and I don't mind that at all. The only thing I can undeniably say is there is much less room for regret for what I go after. Some people will feel very little desire to move beyond low-midfi stuff like Imperial(I think it was him...) who cared not to move up beyond that. Others will move up rather quickly and so on, but it's just much less room to be unsatisfied with your purchase. That and me personally, I wanted to be able to get all the nuances of the price range while remaining less biased from hearing high end stuff. I personally know I'd have to constantly watch myself and dissociate from the urge to dismiss all low end equipment. But now I don't think I'd ever be able not to appreciate a porta pro or a PX100 for what they are because I've spent time in that range. My audio journey is one that I feel encompasses the full spectrum a lot more albeit slower of a climb.

That and you don't have to necessarily climb like I do either. You can start low and jump much higher and I'd still be fine with that. I just don't think one should go there without training their ear a bit first, just my personal belief. I especially...wholeheartedly believe this is true for DACs and amps. I am still of little hands on knowledge on them. Have a tough time telling them apart too...mostly because I don't have very revealing headphones and need others to test out synergy and the like. Like I know the D1 so far has just not been a good match with certain headphones. The T1, D7000, and K701 come to mind so far.

But back to my main point, I feel especially in hybrid's case where he has other things to buy, he should lower his audio budget and grow more before he jumps anywhere else. A bang for your buck hybrid amp and some lowfi/entry level cans will satisfy him I'd think.
Fair enough. It is true that higher fidelity phones may not really provide any additional benefit to those who don't care as much. It is indeed a good thing to start low, but I was just arguing it isn't necessary. Going lower fidelity first is safer in terms of money, but total spending is lower if you jump to higher mid-fi immediately. Pick your poison is what I'd say.

In the case of going B-dawk's route I would still recommend the NFB-12, but then with a lower fidelity headphone. Other amp/DAC's that don't have audible noise/distortion may be the D1 and FiiO's stuff. FiiO has a huge disadvantage that as far as I know pretty much all their amp/DAC units do not have a whole lot of power, which may cause problem with some headphones. I don't know much about the D1.

I don't have a lot of knowledge of the sub $300-350 spectrum, so I can't really recommend something myself.

My solution to differences in amps is to deny their existence. I simply choose to believe that differences between decent SS amps do not exist, and even if they do, they aren't going to be big.
In DAC's the difference is going to be even smaller than with amps.
post #13401 of 134565

Did you get anything on suki yet, Tilpo?

post #13402 of 134565
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Originally Posted by manveru View Post

Yup. Theoretically this would be so awesome. The fly thing was not that convincing, but I think the people talking around the table at the end worked quite well. I was listening through my speaker setup. Sansui G-5700 -> Polk Monitor 40. Personally, I'm waiting for the day that someone invents smell-o-vision. That would would truly be an amazing experience, especially with a Makoto Shinkai movie! I remember thinking that while I was watching them, haha.



Also, to add to the Haiby advice train. I'm not the most experienced person ever, but it has been my personal experience that the difference between electronics is really small (if anything) compared to the difference between headphones. If it were me, rather than doing something like splitting my budget in half, I would would get the cheapest but decent DAC/amp possible, and then spend as much as possible on headphones. Just my 2 cents.
This.

But the problem is that such DAC/amp units tend to be in the $150-250 zone, which is a substantial amount of the budget.
post #13403 of 134565
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Did you get anything on suki yet, Tilpo?
Not yet.

I was busy working on the review earlier, and after that I spent most of my time reading.
post #13404 of 134565
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My solution to differences in amps is to deny their existence. I simply choose to believe that differences between decent SS amps do not exist, and even if they do, they aren't going to be big.
In DAC's the difference is going to be even smaller than with amps.
But the problem is that such DAC/amp units tend to be in the $150-250 zone, which is a substantial amount of the budget.

 

My thinking tends to go in this direction as well.

 

True...

post #13405 of 134565
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

WEll it's up to Hai-by  chan (lol)

if he wants to take the slow and simple path or the full out path. But it will be easy to choose ......because I'll get him to go down to the new opening headphone shop and test it out himself!


And I'll see if I can meet you at the next meet Bdawk senpai!! smily_headphones1.gif
Auditioning has it's disadvantages as well.
It simply takes a lot of time to understand and appreciate all the specific characteristics of a headphone.
Comparing a couple headphones in a shop for an hour of two is simply not enough time in my experience.

For example, at first I liked my good ol' HD650 more than the SR-202. It took me more than a week before I started to see what the SR-202 actually does better than the HD650, and it also took me multiple days to get over the shock of the different relatively large amount of treble on the SR-202.
While auditioning you are also more prone to bias, since you don't have enough time to form your own opinion, meaning your brain tends to go by what the forums and salesperson say.
post #13406 of 134565
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Originally Posted by Tilpo View Post


Fair enough. It is true that higher fidelity phones may not really provide any additional benefit to those who don't care as much. It is indeed a good thing to start low, but I was just arguing it isn't necessary. Going lower fidelity first is safer in terms of money, but total spending is lower if you jump to higher mid-fi immediately. Pick your poison is what I'd say.
In the case of going B-dawk's route I would still recommend the NFB-12, but then with a lower fidelity headphone. Other amp/DAC's that don't have audible noise/distortion may be the D1 and FiiO's stuff. FiiO has a huge disadvantage that as far as I know pretty much all their amp/DAC units do not have a whole lot of power, which may cause problem with some headphones. I don't know much about the D1.
I don't have a lot of knowledge of the sub $300-350 spectrum, so I can't really recommend something myself.
My solution to differences in amps is to deny their existence. I simply choose to believe that differences between decent SS amps do not exist, and even if they do, they aren't going to be big.
In DAC's the difference is going to be even smaller than with amps.

 

 

I think either the NFB, A FiiO of some sort, or the D1 are the popular choices at that range. I think a good place for DAC/Amp is the $200-250 range. I have grown to believe it is the true starting point to the set up, besides the recording itself. If you don't short change yourself on the amp/DAC initially, it'll be best. The D1 has been such a big surprise to me. It's the one part that I have not been ready to upgrade. The only reason I would is if it did not fit a headphone I really wanted. So after my next big headphone upgrade, I will probably look for another headphone and see if I like it and if the D1 doesn't fit well with it, then...it's time for it to be put aside or at least not used with that particular headphone lol.

post #13407 of 134565
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Originally Posted by Tilpo View Post


Auditioning has it's disadvantages as well.
It simply takes a lot of time to understand and appreciate all the specific characteristics of a headphone.
Comparing a couple headphones in a shop for an hour of two is simply not enough time in my experience.
For example, at first I liked my good ol' HD650 more than the SR-202. It took me more than a week before I started to see what the SR-202 actually does better than the HD650, and it also took me multiple days to get over the shock of the different relatively large amount of treble on the SR-202.
While auditioning you are also more prone to bias, since you don't have enough time to form your own opinion, meaning your brain tends to go by what the forums and salesperson say.

 

 

I do think this is true. That's why I always say I can only take what I hear at the meets with a grain of salt....well, maybe a few grains lol. I think what's best is to first do your research, then go audition, and if you like what you hear, purchase it. There is no real way to avoid the disappointment if it happens but auditioning still helps. But in reality, I think a week to a month is what you need to see if it was worth it.

post #13408 of 134565

At this range the FiiO, NFB, D1, and NWAVGUY stuff are pretty popular. Other than the D1... I have or had them! :)

 

So yeah, we are back to a $250 combo DAC and amp of course and then the rest on a suitable headphone and possibly $40 on a decent portable earphone? At that price, I think SoundMagic does a tremendously good job with earphones, as does Vmoda and Mee electronics of course but I haven't heard any Mee or Vmoda earphones before so I wouldn't know. Buying an IEM would be too expensive and would require portable kit stuff to...well not require but you know.

post #13409 of 134565
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

At this range the FiiO, NFB, D1, and NWAVGUY stuff are pretty popular. Other than the D1... I have or had them! smily_headphones1.gif

So yeah, we are back to a $250 combo DAC and amp of course and then the rest on a suitable headphone and possibly $40 on a decent portable earphone? At that price, I think SoundMagic does a tremendously good job with earphones, as does Vmoda and Mee electronics of course but I haven't heard any Mee or Vmoda earphones before so I wouldn't know. Buying an IEM would be too expensive and would require portable kit stuff to...well not require but you know.
I heard Brainwavz stuff tends to be recommended in that price range too.

But for the IEM's I think the best place to ask is always the IEM comparison thread. Unsurprisingly, Joker really knows his stuff when it comes to budget-fi IEM's.
Edited by Tilpo - 6/15/12 at 3:13pm
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I think you shouldn't short change yourself on the IEM. The only thing is I know very little about them so I can't speak on what would be best for Haiby's tastes within the $60-100 range.

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