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post #16 of 63
Originally Posted by LDJ6915 View Post
Thanks for the info! It's nice to have some balance to the negative notes on the M50's. Originally, I had thought a lot of it to be hype, but under closer inspection, it seems these headphones are a legitimately solid set. For me, isolation is only important for the outside observer, as I'm usually not in an environment where I'll have a lot of outside noise. To be honest, the only thing holding me back from going for the M50's right off the bat is that when there is a negative comment about them, it's usually pretty bad - now I guess you could put this down to the fact that you just can't please everyone, etc. but my better judgement says to be cautious. The only thing I'm really worried about is the sound-stage issue - the one thing that would drive me nuts, is if it was too dense. 

If I had to choose at the moment, I think I'd still go the M50's, quickly followed by the Brainwavz HM5 - which too seem to have some quite favorable reviews.

Here's a review with some comments about soundstage (among other things) of the M50 vs. the 840: http://www.headfonia.com/closed-cans-shootout-m-50-esw-9-t50p-hd25-1-beats-studio-srh-840-srh-750dj-k181dj-and-dj1pro/3/

 

The comments are directly in line with my experiences with each of them (not just soundstage in particular but the other items).


Edited by Nepenthe - 12/18/11 at 8:01am
post #17 of 63
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Originally Posted by Wolvaras View Post

It depends on how you´re going to use your headphones.

 

Whilst the Sennheisers are far from ideal for using outside the house, they´re great for using indoors when no one´s around/alone in the room/they don't mind the leaking. I've had both the M50's and the Senns, and I'm in the process of returning the M50's, as their mids leave a lot to be desired compared to the Sennheisers.

 

If you can, try and shop around. If there's a local musicstore, see if they let you try out different pairs and determine which one you find best. What sounds good is for everybody something personal. Some may find the 598's bass lacking and want something more tight sounding, whilst others think that the bass is great and the soundstage is fantastic. It all depends on the listener, really.


All the local music stores don't have a very good selection - one or two sets under $200, neither of which are good, and then the massive price jump to about $350+. Joy.

I've considered getting the 598's, and using them only in private environments, and using my current headphones (HD 418's) as my set for crowded environments, but I'd prefer one pair, over needing two individual ones, especially as I'm not very happy with the 418's. I guess, when it comes down to what is the very core of what I'm looking for - it'd be quality. If the sacrifice is that I'll have to avoid using them in crowded spaces, so be it - I can always buy a pair of in-ears later down the road if the need arises. Quality, more than anything else, is what needs to stand out. My library ranges from anywhere from The Beatles to Metallica, from Lady Gaga to A Day to Remember, Judas Priest to Skrillex - so I really need a pair of headphones that can best cater to that variety. 

 


 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The M50 was my second pair of decent headphones (AD700 was my first), and the M50s are still among my very faves. I guess hating on them is the hipster thing to do, but I can't knock them at all. They're great all arounders, and a downright steal at less than $100. Post headband stretch, they were superbly comfy (and I'm a comfort whore who tends to hate pleather), isolated very well, and had solid bass without being severely bloated. Perhaps if they still sold the blue box version, I'd have a pair if they were $90 or so.

 


The thing about this is, I'm ordering off of Amazon, so incl. shipping, they'll come to about $190 ($160 + $30 express shipping), while the 598's will be about $200 total, so price-wise, they're on a level playing field. I'm just so very nervous that the sound quality of the M50's won't be up to par with that of the 598's - so much so that I'm nearly willing to sacrifice a lot of my usage environments for the sake of clarity. 

post #18 of 63
The HD598 is technically a superior headphone. I would NOT pay that much for M50s. That's cutting it too close to some mid fi cans. The problem with the HD598 is that they don't have any wow factor for me. They're solid and neutral-ish, but don't have enough bass to consider balanced. I don't like bass light cans for music. For that type of headphone, I'd rather go with the DT880s which are also well balanced, but have a satisfying amount of bass.
post #19 of 63
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Originally Posted by Nepenthe View Post

Here's a review with some comments about soundstage (among other things) of the M50 vs. the 840: http://www.headfonia.com/closed-cans-shootout-m-50-esw-9-t50p-hd25-1-beats-studio-srh-840-srh-750dj-k181dj-and-dj1pro/3/

 

The comments are directly in line with my experiences with each of them (not just soundstage in particular but the other items).



Thanks for the link, that really put a lot more confidence in M50's for me :D

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The HD598 is technically a superior headphone. I would NOT pay that much for M50s. That's cutting it too close to some mid fi cans. The problem with the HD598 is that they don't have any wow factor for me. They're solid and neutral-ish, but don't have enough bass to consider balanced. I don't like bass light cans for music. For that type of headphone, I'd rather go with the DT880s which are also well balanced, but have a satisfying amount of bass.


Well, basically, I've got about $150 to spend on the best all-rounder headphones I can find - and it's looking like the M50's should be the way to go. I don't mind paying $160 for the M50's, if they're as good as they seem to be. 

post #20 of 63

 

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They're solid and neutral-ish, but don't have enough bass to consider balanced. I don't like bass light cans for music.

 

HD598 is not a bass light headphone and HD598 is more balanced than M50. M50 is bass emphasized.

 

M50 is more an aggressive headphone and HD598 more for easy listening imo.

post #21 of 63
I think you should look elsewhere. They're good, but not $150 good. For half that price, a pair of Creative Aurvana Live (when it's around $70) will wow you as much as the M50s. Seriously, they are comparable. The CAL: is even more comfy, and lighter, though they don't keep outside noise from coming in, though they don't leak much.

As for the HD598, they're bordering on bass light to me. Just ever so slightly. And I know the M50 is bass emphasized, that's part of their charm. Lots of beginners go with the M50s because they are all rounders while maintaining bass. The HD598 is analytical, and not that musical, IMHO.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 12/18/11 at 8:18am
post #22 of 63

If you've never had or tried an open pair of headphones, go with the 558 (more in line with the price of the m50) or 598, you'll be in for a treat.

 

However, based on your criteria that isolation is an important factor, maybe stick with the m50s or go with an alternative as suggested here.

 

 

post #23 of 63
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I think you should look elsewhere. They're good, but not $150 good. For half that price, a pair of Creative Aurvana Lives will wow you as much as the M50s. Seriously, they are comparable. The CAL: is even more comfy, and lighter, though they don't keep outside noise from coming in, though they don't leak much.
As for the HD598, they ARE bordering on bass light. Just ever so slightly. And I know the M50 is bass emphasized, that's part of their charm. Lots of beginners go with the M50s because they are all rounders while maintaining bass. The HD598 is analytical, and not that musical, IMHO.


Would you be able to make a recommendation, then? All this makes me thing that the HD598's might be my best all-rounder choice?

post #24 of 63
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Originally Posted by GigaFi View Post

If you've never had or tried an open pair of headphones, go with the 558 (more in line with the price of the m50) or 598, you'll be in for a treat.

 

However, based on your criteria that isolation is an important factor, maybe stick with the m50s or go with an alternative as suggested here.

 

 


I think if I went with something other than the M50's, it'd be the 558's - as they seem to be slightly better than the 598's. Thanks for the reply :)
 

 

 

post #25 of 63
HD598 does not do bass heavy genres well, at all to me. The DT880 would make a much better choice, but they are out of your price range.

That price range is somewhat limiting for me.

Hmm... I honestly probably would go with the Fischer or Brainwavz, since they are supposedly VERY neutral, but can go low in bass when something calls for it. Something a closed headphone can do better than any open balanced headphone.
post #26 of 63

 

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Would you be able to make a recommendation, then? All this makes me thing that the HD598's might be my best all-rounder choice?

 

One more time, HD598 without hesitation,lol.

 

One of the best all rounder headphone for the price.

post #27 of 63
Until he hears EDM genres. The bass is gonna be audible, that's it. No impact. I don't even need a strong bass emphasis. The HD598 just disappoints for genres like Trance, Electronica, Dubstep, Trip Hop, etc.
post #28 of 63

 

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Until he hears EDM genres. The bass is gonna be audible, that's it. No impact. I don't even need a strong bass emphasis. The HD598 just disappoints for genres like Trance, Electronica, Dubstep, Trip Hop, etc.

 

 

Yes of course, that's why it's an all rounder headphone and not a more specific headphone like M50.

 

post #29 of 63
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Originally Posted by DVDRey View Post

 

 

 

Yes of course, that's why it's an all rounder headphone and not a more specific headphone like M50.

 


Whilst my range of music is pretty broad, a lot of it (>65%) is fairly punchy when it comes to bass, especially in the metal / rock genres. I think the M50's might be the way to go for now, I'd rather something that can suit a large portion of the music well, than something that caters to everything, but skips out when it comes to the punch.

post #30 of 63
The Fischer FA-003 and Brainwavz HM5 are both considered super neutral like the HD600, and said to be able to hit low when songs called for it. I can't say the same about the HD598, which won't satisfy anyone who holds even a portion of importance towards bass.
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