Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › What do you think about a "tunable" headphone? (closed-->various stages of open)
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

What do you think about a "tunable" headphone? (closed-->various stages of open)

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

I have an idea for a headphone design that incorporates a movable element in each cup that can be moved to change the headphones from closed to various stages of open. I would be surprised if nobody has ever tried something like this although the specific design I have in mind is almost certainly unique.

 

Is this an interesting idea to you?

 

-Joshua

post #2 of 17

Sounds amazing (ly complicated and expensive, and also may have a problem with durability and the fact that open cans are styled and made compeltely differently from closed ones, and even semi closed are made differently. But if you did it, I'm sure everyone on here would be impressed and intrigued.)

post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by elemein View Post

Sounds amazing (ly complicated and expensive, and also may have a problem with durability and the fact that open cans are styled and made compeltely differently from closed ones, and even semi closed are made differently. But if you did it, I'm sure everyone on here would be impressed and intrigued.)



Not complicated really or particularly expensive. However I doubt you could get that airy openness of regular fully open headphones with my design; it's more just partly open which would be more to tune the bass and such. I think I could retrofit the idea onto a Denon D2000 with just custom cups. I still have to work out the exact details but I have the majority of the design worked out.

post #4 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by AzraelDarkangel View Post



Not complicated really or particularly expensive. However I doubt you could get that airy openness of regular fully open headphones with my design; it's more just partly open which would be more to tune the bass and such. I think I could retrofit the idea onto a Denon D2000 with just custom cups. I still have to work out the exact details but I have the majority of the design worked out.



Either way, you'll never get the closed-edness of full, solely designed closed cups, or never get the airyness fidelity of solely designed open cups. It just wont work out exactly that way.

 

post #5 of 17

I suggested something like that just a month ago here, even had a poll. A few head-fiers and I had some interesting discussions. I might even work on the design after I have some more time on my hands.

 

Expect many people here to dismiss un-orthodoxical designs because it wouldn't sound as good, or it wouldn't be durable, or it wouldn't be possible, and everything in between.

Quote:
Originally Posted by elemein View Post

Sounds amazing (ly complicated and expensive, and also may have a problem with durability and the fact that open cans are styled and made compeltely differently from closed ones, and even semi closed are made differently. But if you did it, I'm sure everyone on here would be impressed and intrigued.)


The responses I got were nothing like this positive. I see it must be personal.


Edited by kingpage - 12/18/11 at 1:34am
post #6 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingpage View Post

I suggested something like that just a month ago here, even had a poll. A few head-fiers and I had some interesting discussions. I might even work on the design after I have some more time on my hands.

 

Expect many people here to dismiss un-orthodoxical designs because it wouldn't sound as good, or it wouldn't be durable, or it wouldn't be possible, and everything in between.


The responses I got were nothing like this positive. I see it must be personal.



It's nothing personal, just look at it from this point of view from a second.

 

It'd be amazing and very useful, kind of like a swiss army multitool except for headphones, it'd do everything in terms of stages of open and closed, but the fact of the matter is, a swiss army multitool is complicated and if you need a flathead screwdriver, sure, your multiool has one, but it wont perform anywhere near as good as a real flathead screwdriver, the real one simply has more grip, it's just easier to use and more practical because it's purpose built.

 

That's just the way it is. Would I still consider looking into these headphones? Of course! It sounds amazingly cool and quite useful as it has many modes (just like the swiss army multitool), but will I expect it to perform on a closed basis as well as a purpose-built closed can? No. I simply cant ask that of "multitool" headphones to perform as good or better than the real thing.

 

That's just how I see. Then again, some people dont need sound quality as much as they need flexibility, and then theres people who wouild buy it just so they can say "HAI GUIZ MAI PHONES CAN BE OPEN 1, 2, 3,4 AND CLOSED, COOL EH?", and you'd also have interest from those people and everyone else as it is a great idea, but it just wont be up to par with the purpose built devices is all I'm saying. Nothing personal or against anyone, thats simply how I see the idea. Great, and very useful, but wont be as good as purpose builts.

 

post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by elemein View Post



It's nothing personal, just look at it from this point of view from a second.

 

It'd be amazing and very useful, kind of like a swiss army multitool except for headphones, it'd do everything in terms of stages of open and closed, but the fact of the matter is, a swiss army multitool is complicated and if you need a flathead screwdriver, sure, your multiool has one, but it wont perform anywhere near as good as a real flathead screwdriver, the real one simply has more grip, it's just easier to use and more practical because it's purpose built.

 

That's just the way it is. Would I still consider looking into these headphones? Of course! It sounds amazingly cool and quite useful as it has many modes (just like the swiss army multitool), but will I expect it to perform on a closed basis as well as a purpose-built closed can? No. I simply cant ask that of "multitool" headphones to perform as good or better than the real thing.

 

That's just how I see. Then again, some people dont need sound quality as much as they need flexibility, and then theres people who wouild buy it just so they can say "HAI GUIZ MAI PHONES CAN BE OPEN 1, 2, 3,4 AND CLOSED, COOL EH?", and you'd also have interest from those people and everyone else as it is a great idea, but it just wont be up to par with the purpose built devices is all I'm saying. Nothing personal or against anyone, thats simply how I see the idea. Great, and very useful, but wont be as good as purpose builts.

 




That's assuming a compromise is made in exchange for for flexibility. Actually I see no issues with my design in "closed" mode. If you wanted to and used the right materials you could make it completely airtight, but in practicality it could easily be made closer to a perfect seal than most screwed on headphone cups unless they use a rubber seal. And the design is not intended to be completely open, if I wanted that I could just take the cup off or cut a big hole. But if you want a completely open to completely closed mechanical element, just use a big iris, lol.

 

I actually came up with a headphone cup design influenced by the Sonus Faber Stradivarius Homage speakers first then more recently thought of how to incorporate a sealed to vented mechanical design. I think the Denon D2000 is a good example to try it on as I think it could benefit alot from a larger and more well damped cup design.

 

elemein - lol, you got the number of modes right = closed - 1 vent - 3 vents - 6 vents - 12 vents (open).

post #8 of 17

What if I want 4 vents?

post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by elemein View Post

What if I want 4 vents?



uncover slightly less than 75 percent of 6 vents for the same area as 4,lol. 

post #10 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by AzraelDarkangel View Post



uncover slightly less than 75 percent of 6 vents for the same area as 4,lol. 



What if I want 0?

 

post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by elemein View Post



What if I want 0?

 


all the vents covered.

 

post #12 of 17

What if I want 56.251% of 4 vents with 6 vents open at every frequency over 10 KHz, but then subsiding back down to 56.251% of 4 once the frequency bounces under 10KHz?

 

Okay but really, design these bitches already :P I already said it'd be interesting to see!

post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by elemein View Post

What if I want 56.251% of 4 vents with 6 vents open at every frequency over 10 KHz, but then subsiding back down to 56.251% of 4 once the frequency bounces under 10KHz?

 

Okay but really, design these bitches already :P I already said it'd be interesting to see!


As soon as I can figure out how to make a nice looking working prototype by hand without having access or money for CNC/laser cutting, lol. I think I got it figured out though. However, hand carving the cups is going to be a pain. The vents are relatively easy and aren't a problem, the design of the vents is absurdly simple. But the cups are big and very particularly designed and will require at least two main sections glued. The vent system will utilize guide notches so you can adjust both cups simultaneously while wearing them.

 

post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 

I'm not sure though that I need so many separate "steps" for the vents. Maybe just having multiple vents that you can expose only a little or completely makes more sense.

 

Oh well, I'll just go with the multistep design unless I think of something better.


Edited by AzraelDarkangel - 12/19/11 at 1:07am
post #15 of 17

Will you commercialise the product? What material will you use for your prototype?

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Headphones (full-size)
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › What do you think about a "tunable" headphone? (closed-->various stages of open)