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post #1426 of 1682

I am not commenting whether if HM5 is good but want to share my POV.

 

Good/Bad, Long/Short only arises upon comparison.

 

So when a headphone is good, which headphones is it comparing too? When it is detail, how detail are they and comparing with what?

 

When comparing with ibuds, my $20 Sennheiser HD201 is MegaHD-Fi for that instant. When comparing with my HD650 it sounds Low-Fi.

 

Sometime when someone upgraded their audio, the new purchase sound so much better than their existing one (that's why they upgrade in the first place). People share on the forum, more people purchase then and found it is true and recommended them. We men also like new toy, very much like when we are young "My toy is better then yours" and our friends wanting the same toy for themselves too. So when someone have more capable headphones purchased the same set, they felt disappointed.

 

So you see, use it as a guide but nothing beats listening to them yourself. Take Sennheiser HD800, these are expensive headphones that Sennheiser experts took make years of experience to produce yet some people hate it while some like it. Some even like a JVC $50 headphone better than the HD800. Taste is very subjective and then we have the type of music and amp/dap that are all difference.

 

So importantly, when something is good or bad it is good to know they are good comparing to what and vice-versa.


Edited by whoelse - 1/10/13 at 1:25am
post #1427 of 1682
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Originally Posted by whoelse View Post

 

So when a headphone is good, which headphones is it comparing too? When it is detail, how detail are they and comparing with what?

 

When comparing with ibuds, my $20 Sennheiser HD201 is MegaHD-Fi for that instant. When comparing with my HD650 it sounds Low-Fi.

 

Sometime when someone upgraded their audio, the new purchase sound so much better than their existing one (that's why they upgrade in the first place). People share on the forum, more people purchase then and found it is true and recommended them. We men also like new toy, very much like when we are young "My toy is better then yours" and our friends wanting the same toy for themselves too. So when someone have more capable headphones purchased the same set, they felt disappointed.

 

 

There's a lot of really good truth in here.

post #1428 of 1682
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

 

There's a lot of really good truth in here.

 

Very, very true.  As to "Better" - it's really only relevant in our own, personal rankings of what we own, what we've heard, the music we listen to, and how our own ears interpret it.

post #1429 of 1682
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Originally Posted by campj View Post

Everyone who made remarks after my post, please go back in time one week and re-write everything you just wrote. I will read your posts, not buy the HM5, use my money for a portable amp, and all will be well. smile.gif

 

Seriously though, I modded them and they sound better. Not super, but worth $100.

 

This is what interests me.  I had the HM5 and struggled with some ways to modify them.

post #1430 of 1682

That's why I find audio rating in these mega shootout should group into two groups:

 

1. Price level (we already have)

 

2. Sound quality regardless of price

 

Blind test is even better and conduct with a small group, I'm sure true gem will be discovered in #2.

post #1431 of 1682
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Originally Posted by wje View Post

 

This is what interests me.  I had the HM5 and struggled with some ways to modify them.

 

Trust me. If not all, majority of so-call mod are meaningless. When we modded something, we colored our perception and already pre-program ourselves that there will be improvement (most cases). We went through all these trouble or even small damages during the process of modding so how do we not hope for improvement?

 

Come on, major audio companies are experts in their field and with all the equipment running all these test and tuning. If by adding some bluetac or cotton turn a $50 headphones to $500 one you think why are they not doing it and kill the $50 competitions? How can we hobblist know sound better than them? It's again "My toy (mod) is better than yours" -- emperor new clothes. If someone feel it is better and more people will say the same. Different scenario same old stories.

 

Logic isn't it?

 

If someone claims after burning 1000000hrs he can hear <10hz and you don't it is bad that you don't have a golden ears or mutant ears and you have wasted your time burning them for 1000000hrs isn't it? 

 

Last, if they are really that good, why do people modify them? Really?


Edited by whoelse - 1/9/13 at 6:28pm
post #1432 of 1682

Well, they sounded better... until the headband snapped in two. I had them two days and they are broken. triportsad.gif

 

Does anyone have a headband they don't want?


Edited by campj - 1/10/13 at 3:36pm
post #1433 of 1682
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Originally Posted by whoelse View Post

 

Trust me. If not all, majority of so-call mod are meaningless. When we modded something, we colored our perception and already pre-program ourselves that there will be improvement (most cases). We went through all these trouble or even small damages during the process of modding so how do we not hope for improvement?

 

Come on, major audio companies are experts in their field and with all the equipment running all these test and tuning. If by adding some bluetac or cotton turn a $50 headphones to $500 one you think why are they not doing it and kill the $50 competitions? How can we hobblist know sound better than them? It's again "My toy (mod) is better than yours" -- emperor new clothes. If someone feel it is better and more people will say the same. Different scenario same old stories.

 

Logic isn't it?

 

If someone claims after burning 1000000hrs he can hear <10hz and you don't it is bad that you don't have a golden ears or mutant ears and you have wasted your time burning them for 1000000hrs isn't it? 

 

Last, if they are really that good, why do people modify them? Really?

 

Yes.  Major audio companies are experts in their field.  They are also businesses that need to remain profitable in order to stay in business.  Let's say that adding some Blue tack, insulation, and a few other items cost $2.00 and an additional $3.00 in labor time.  To the audio company, that is $5.00 less in profit that they'll make on the headphone.  Headphone companies don't always have the best interest of the listener in mind with their products.  They view it as a compromise - good sound vs. profit.  Finally, the Brainwavz headphones, Fischer and all the other "clones" are basically the same headphone that was designed at who knows where, and then built by an OEM in China.  We've all heard about Fischer audio and their inconsistent QC on their headphones because many people report quite different sounds from different batches.

post #1434 of 1682
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Originally Posted by wje View Post

 

Yes.  Major audio companies are experts in their field.  They are also businesses that need to remain profitable in order to stay in business.  Let's say that adding some Blue tack, insulation, and a few other items cost $2.00 and an additional $3.00 in labor time.  To the audio company, that is $5.00 less in profit that they'll make on the headphone.  Headphone companies don't always have the best interest of the listener in mind with their products.  They view it as a compromise - good sound vs. profit.  Finally, the Brainwavz headphones, Fischer and all the other "clones" are basically the same headphone that was designed at who knows where, and then built by an OEM in China.  We've all heard about Fischer audio and their inconsistent QC on their headphones because many people report quite different sounds from different batches.

 

The world is so competitive against each others. Everyone is trying to be their best on their entry model and strive higher in flagship model. If you don't someone else will.

Each pair of headphones are carefully designed by every reputable company and later produce in mass.

 

Grado uses similar driver but select better grade/response for different grade of headphone, of course later plus other enhancement like coating and more but the base material are the same.

Even transistors supposedly have different grading and price.

 

I also do not mean all modding that why "If not all, majority of so-call mod are meaningless..."

post #1435 of 1682
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

 

There's a lot of really good truth in here.

+1

 

I would also say that even though the HM5 doesn't make my top three list I still think it's good value. Especially at the USD 99 (shipped) price that mp4nation use every once in a while and especially for european customers who's used to much higher prices on competetive products than you lucky folks living in the US.

 

In Scandinavia the mentioned DT990 Pro (as an example) cost more than the double than the HM5 (including import duties and taxes).

 

Edit: The fact that the DT990 Pro is open back also makes it an unfair comparison in my opinion.


Edited by peter123 - 1/10/13 at 11:44am
post #1436 of 1682

newbie here and my first post. i bought the HM5 after reading a few threads in the forum.

 

 

new pckaging.

 

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q275/mannix143/image_zps17184de1.jpg

 

 

 

 

how do you mod this headphone? I have the E11 but havent tried it yet, im still charging it to 100%.

 

thanks

post #1437 of 1682

This gave me good results:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/615030/unleash-the-full-potential-of-your-brainwavz-hm5-or-fa-003-with-mods

 

I used Silverstone foam I had instead of Dynamat and it worked just fine. Really, I think the main things are filling the housing with some type of dampener (cotton, polyfill, etc) and covering the bass ports to suit your tastes. The cavernous sound goes away and the bass tightens up quite a bit.

 

Before modding them I was somewhat disappointed... after the mod, I was happy with the phones... after they broke, I was (and am) very disappointed. I'm trying to work a warranty deal with MP4Nation, but they want me to pay return shipping back to China which costs more than 1/4 the price of a brand new pair of HM5s (or HALF the price of a pair of Jaycars!).

 

Anyway, I hope it works out for you.

post #1438 of 1682
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Originally Posted by campj View Post

This gave me good results:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/615030/unleash-the-full-potential-of-your-brainwavz-hm5-or-fa-003-with-mods

 

I used Silverstone foam I had instead of Dynamat and it worked just fine. Really, I think the main things are filling the housing with some type of dampener (cotton, polyfill, etc) and covering the bass ports to suit your tastes. The cavernous sound goes away and the bass tightens up quite a bit.

 

Before modding them I was somewhat disappointed... after the mod, I was happy with the phones... after they broke, I was (and am) very disappointed. I'm trying to work a warranty deal with MP4Nation, but they want me to pay return shipping back to China which costs more than 1/4 the price of a brand new pair of HM5s (or HALF the price of a pair of Jaycars!).

 

Anyway, I hope it works out for you.

 

 

Thanks Campj

post #1439 of 1682
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Originally Posted by jorjjamur View Post

 

 

I put FA-002w Wood cups on my HM5, it adds bass a lil bit, however what it changes dramatically is the soundstages It will smooth out the high, and gives a bit warm coloration on the overall sound. I use the beech 8 step. So i have no idea how other different material cup sounds like.

 

If you asking me if I like it? yes I like it very much.. I still like the original sound, however every time I put on the original cup I changed it back to the wooden cups in like 1-2 hours listening. Now if you want more impact on the bass, I use fiio e17 and add up the bass on it. It helps a lot in my 

So just so I can check how easy is it to change the cups around

post #1440 of 1682
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Originally Posted by whoelse View Post

Come on, major audio companies are experts in their field and with all the equipment running all these test and tuning. If by adding some bluetac or cotton turn a $50 headphones to $500 one you think why are they not doing it and kill the $50 competitions?

 

They'll happily reserve that cheap tweak for the model they sell for $500.

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