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I saw a used one maybe a week or two ago for around $200USD. The housings weren't in the best of shape but knowing how well built these things are seems like that wouldn't be a problem at all. With the situation with the yen right now I imagine that you might be able to find an amazing deal on a used pair. Great!  Shouldn't be a problem navigating the sites then!:) If I see anything I'll send over a link. 

 

Sure is. 

The only problem i currently face, is that my current rig is not high-end enough to be used with the ck100pro. I real pity...with my current setup they are harsh and bright as all hell.

post #212 of 220
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Sure is. 

The only problem i currently face, is that my current rig is not high-end enough to be used with the ck100pro. I real pity...with my current setup they are harsh and bright as all hell.

They are definitely one of the most source dependent earphone/headphones I have tried. I don't think you need anything super high-end to get a great sound out of them though, it just needs to be a good match. Something with a very low noise floor and low output impedance usually works well to eliminate the weird impedance swings that sometimes happen with the earphone. 

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They are definitely one of the most source dependent earphone/headphones I have tried. I don't think you need anything super high-end to get a great sound out of them though, it just needs to be a good match. Something with a very low noise floor and low output impedance usually works well to eliminate the weird impedance swings that sometimes happen with the earphone. 

Completely agree with this. I was surprised how different the CK100PRO sounded out of my iPad and to my phone. They are definitely a special IEM.
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Completely agree with this. I was surprised how different the CK100PRO sounded out of my iPad and to my phone. They are definitely a special IEM.

 

Yes, makes owning them ever more difficult.

Thats why i am not sure whether it would be worth it. I'll maybe go with a warmer iem, because i just bought a ER4s.

post #215 of 220
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Yes, makes owning them ever more difficult.

Thats why i am not sure whether it would be worth it. I'll maybe go with a warmer iem, because i just bought a ER4s.

 

I think if you can get a good deal and your budget allows, it might be worth the risk. Otherwise, I would air on the side of caution. Also, I didn't have this problem, but some CK100PRO owners in Japan didn't like the fit or the way the cables hang. IMO it's definitely a marmite (love it or hate it) IEM.

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I think if you can get a good deal and your budget allows, it might be worth the risk. Otherwise, I would air on the side of caution. Also, I didn't have this problem, but some CK100PRO owners in Japan didn't like the fit or the way the cables hang. IMO it's definitely a marmite (love it or hate it) IEM.

It definitely does seem like a love it or hate it IEM. When I first got them I was really disappointed with the fit and how source dependent they are, but after some toying around A LOT with tips and finally getting a better fit and pairing it with source it went well with (this was the biggest challenge), they are really unlike anything I have heard. They are also now really comfortable for me.

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Yes, makes owning them ever more difficult.

Thats why i am not sure whether it would be worth it. I'll maybe go with a warmer iem, because i just bought a ER4s.

They are definitely not a warm IEM but I would say that they have more of a "fun" and dynamic sound signature than the ER4s (not as linear or neutral). They are however, very forward and although this really doesn't happen to me, can cause fatigue after some time listening to them if you are sensitive to a forward treble presentation. 


Edited by recarcar - 11/21/14 at 11:23am
post #217 of 220
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Yes, makes owning them ever more difficult.

Thats why i am not sure whether it would be worth it. I'll maybe go with a warmer iem, because i just bought a ER4s.

 

There are so many option in terms of great IEMs right now I don't think you would be missing out too much by trying out something else. I feel like the used prices are gonna stay low for a while on these because of their fit and source issues. Good luck on your search!


Edited by recarcar - 11/21/14 at 11:26am
post #218 of 220
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There are so many option in terms of great IEMs right now I don't think you would be missing out too much by trying out something else. I feel like the used prices are gonna stay low for a while on these because of their fit and source issues. Good luck on your search!

I briefly tried the ck100pro in TaiPei. 

And i found them extremely shrill and sibilant with my current rig/amp (3Move). Also a considerable amount of background hiss. 

 

Not very enjoyable all-in-all.

 

Speaking of the weak Yen. I consider buying Ocharaku iems. SUI or Kuro. 

Any thoughts?

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I briefly tried the ck100pro in TaiPei. 

And i found them extremely shrill and sibilant with my current rig/amp (3Move). Also a considerable amount of background hiss. 

 

Not very enjoyable all-in-all.

 

Speaking of the weak Yen. I consider buying Ocharaku iems. SUI or Kuro. 

Any thoughts?

Yeah they can be a really terrible listening experience depending on your source. The 3Move is a very capable source from all accounts and has pretty low output impedence which just shows how tricky it can be to find a good pairing even when the conventional wisdom specs wise is applied. I have tried quite a bit of source pairing with these and the results seems pretty random (though I'm sure they are not, I don't have enough technical knowledge to be sure). I have had great experiences with these when coupled with lower end/"mid-fi" sources and not so great listening sessions with "better"ones and vice versa. They also sound very good just out of my computer headphone jack to my ears, so it seems like a very hit or miss kind of IEM in terms of source matching. 

 

I've unfortunately never had the chance to listen to any of the Ocharaku IEMs, but they definitely seem to produce very interesting and intriguing IEMs. They have been on my radar for a while now. Hopefully the chance to listen to them comes up some day. Unfortunately, their mid and upper tier IEMs are pretty expensive and don't come up on forums around here very often so they have to be imported which means more $ on top of their initial cost. And although the build quality of their stuff seems very good, they don't have detachable cables and I don't know what their warranty policies are for those not in Japan. 

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Yeah they can be a really terrible listening experience depending on your source. The 3Move is a very capable source from all accounts and has pretty low output impedence which just shows how tricky it can be to find a good pairing even when the conventional wisdom specs wise is applied. I have tried quite a bit of source pairing with these and the results seems pretty random (though I'm sure they are not, I don't have enough technical knowledge to be sure). I have had great experiences with these when coupled with lower end/"mid-fi" sources and not so great listening sessions with "better"ones and vice versa. They also sound very good just out of my computer headphone jack to my ears, so it seems like a very hit or miss kind of IEM in terms of source matching. 

 

I've unfortunately never had the chance to listen to any of the Ocharaku IEMs, but they definitely seem to produce very interesting and intriguing IEMs. They have been on my radar for a while now. Hopefully the chance to listen to them comes up some day. Unfortunately, their mid and upper tier IEMs are pretty expensive and don't come up on forums around here very often so they have to be imported which means more $ on top of their initial cost. And although the build quality of their stuff seems very good, they don't have detachable cables and I don't know what their warranty policies are for those not in Japan. 

Very interesting observation. Sadly i didn't have a M8 or a Hugo on hand to use with the ck100pro at that time, see how these effected the sound.

 

It also should be noted, that the 3Move is a relatively cold sounding amp to work with.

 

I have for years been immensely interested in the ck100pro, which can be seen form my activity on this thread.

But when i auditioned them at my normal (ie low) listening volume and put on some high speed/ aggressive music to try, my ears literally felt deaf after only 10 minutes. This had never happened before with any other headphone/iem. Add to that a finicky fit, some very noticeable noise floor and i was left quite confused.

 

From what i have heard, i really can agree that the ck100pro are very picky iems indeed. One should consider them only with a rig which is sure to work with it well or many different options at ones disposal.

Speaking of the ck100pro...i have also tried the AT-IM03 and its siblings which are supposed to be spiritual successors to the ck100pro. And i must say i was left unimpressed. Shrill, harsh, thin and all in all not overall enjoyable from what i could tell on 2 separate listings.

 

Indeed Ocharakus are very difficult to come by outside of Japan and don't have removable cables which should make them susceptible to use. But again i wouldn't say they were conceived to be 'use-iems' but rather 'art-iems' (音楽 - the name says it all). They should be savoured like good tea.

But i also found their fit to be a bit difficult, due to a rather big nozzle, but again it didn't have a big tip selection at my disposal. 

When i tried them though, what irritated me was the lack of apparent definition. Especially for the price.

The more i try Japanese gear, i get the feeling they are much more about the artisanal 'feel' of sound, rather than actual accuracy and definition. I also found this to hold true for high end ATs (ex. ATH 2000x).

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