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post #91 of 1509
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Not necessarily true, the iBuds can't compare to the ear buds of the 80's and 90's by Sony and AIWA; now those are hifi. IBuds have a nice presentation but don't come even close. Today's earbuds are overpriced and don't seem to come close to the quality of some of those old earbuds. The old Sony's and AIWA's are so rare that there current cost is just as bad as the cost on yuin's and the like though, hec there usually bloated to the point of being much more expensive.



I'm talking modern day earbuds, but I get what you mean. You can say the same thing for headphones. When where the Sony MDR-R10's made, like the 1980-90's right? Those (even though I have never heard them) sound like top class extremely high end headphones when compared to even the likes of the Audez'e LCD-2 and the HD800 today.

post #92 of 1509

At this exact moment, I'm listening to my Kenwood KH-K1000 for probably my umpteenth million listen through Metaform - The Electric Mist. Couldn't be happier.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #93 of 1509

Sennheiser HD 580's. rolleyes.gif

post #94 of 1509
Tomorrow I will be wearing my new AKG Q701's once USPS delivers my mail and after wearing those for half the day I will finish up the rest of the day with Inheritance.
post #95 of 1509
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I'm talking modern day earbuds, but I get what you mean. You can say the same thing for headphones. When where the Sony MDR-R10's made, like the 1980-90's right? Those (even though I have never heard them) sound like top class extremely high end headphones when compared to even the likes of the Audez'e LCD-2 and the HD800 today.



Funny thing is, those "old" headphones are actually superior to most of today's flagships. Sennheiser's HE60 and HE90 outclass the HD800 for instance. As for the R10... few headphones since have matched its build quality. It's really stunning to behold in person.

post #96 of 1509
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Funny thing is, those "old" headphones are actually superior to most of today's flagships. Sennheiser's HE60 and HE90 outclass the HD800 for instance. As for the R10... few headphones since have matched its build quality. It's really stunning to behold in person.

Its weird how music has regressed. So were these HE60 and HE90 cheaper than the HD800s when they were in regular production?
 

 

post #97 of 1509
high price does not equal high-end, especially by today's marketing game if anyone doesn't know already. not just with audio but everything else as well. that's why people always buy used or refurbished. not because they're cheap, but cause you obviously get more for your money. basic common sense. audio hasn't changed much past 30 or so years especially if you experienced great gear from the past fully serviced and fully functional.

to be honest most stuff nowadays seem we're going backwards on things, but makes seem like we're advancing cause of the advance marketing tactics and so forth. also reason why audio and certain things that were made during the 70's and 80's sound so great even by today standards, cause not only was there an all out war in competition, but companies had unlimited budgets to experiment with the craziest and most expensive materials around while maintaining maximum profit gains. most of that tech from even the 50's is still re-used today,even with things like headphones.
post #98 of 1509
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Its weird how music has regressed. So were these HE60 and HE90 cheaper than the HD800s when they were in regular production?
 

 


 

Sound technology is surprisingly slow to advance, unlike picture and film technology. I wouldn't say that things have regressed however. Just that overall things haven't necessarily improved much. Larger companies like AKG, and Sony are making products that are a step back from older models because they've most likely determined it's more sensible from a business standpoint. There are smaller companies like Stax however who continue to push boundaries.

 

With the HE60 and HE90, you have to keep in mind that they were sold as a complete system with a matching amplifier. I'm not entirely sure about the HE60, but I know that the HE90 was much more expensive than the HD800 is now even upon its initial release. I'm not really sure why they've given up on electrostatic technology, but I'd guess it's just business. The technology in the HD800 is more cost effective, and for most ears the sound is good enough.

 

I certainly like the HD800. It's a good headphone. It's no HE60 or HE90 though.

post #99 of 1509
movies and effects has been advancing yes, but consumer screen tech. not really at all. even most professional S-IPS panels are flawed in comprehensions to CRT. Something like the Sony GDM-FW900. the FW900 was basically the pinnacle of what CRT can do when it comes to color accuracy,refresh rate,resolution and clarity. only Plasma at sometime later before Pioneer sold themselves out made Kuro plasmas that were finally matching CRT when it came to detailed accurate contrast and colors. pansonic has the kuro rights now, but i haven't checked their offerings yet, but from what i read, the kuro tech went downhill after pioneer selling out and pansonic taking over.
Edited by RexAeterna - 12/27/11 at 2:37am
post #100 of 1509

When I say "picture and film" I'm not really talking about displays, but rather broadcasts and film quality. I do find what you say about displays fascinating though. It's not an area I'm remotely familiar with.

 

With regard to screen technology, it seems as though the consumer sector is driven primarily by convenience rather than quality. That is to say, LCDs have revolutionized most desktops because of the space they save while maintaining an "acceptable" level of clarity. I think IEMs are something to consider with regard to sound advancement of the same vein, though again it's not an area I'm too knowledgable with (kiteki could definitely provide insight on this subject I'm sure). While speaker and headphone technology hasn't improvement much over time, I think IEMs and the topic of convenience and size factor vs. SQ provide a decent counter-point to a completely stagnant field of sound reproduction.

post #101 of 1509

The headphones that I am currently rocking at this very moment are the Grado SR80i's as I am editing and monitoring the podcast audio through my Blue Yeti's build in headphone amp, which actually isn't that bad, surprisingly.

post #102 of 1509

Back in the '80s and '90s, audio companies were owned by audiophiles like Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, Quad, Krell, Mark Levinson, Cello, and so many others. The owners got old, sold the company to profit driven organizations. I guess one can also surmise that the R&D of Sennheisers and Sony were producing at that time excellent audio equipment since the decision makers were themselves into high-end audio. I remember Sony was making some really good audio equipment back then, even Denon, Pioneer, and Accuphase. But alas, nowadays its all about revenues.

 

However, small companies like Audeze, HiFiman, RSA, Cavalli and many others are pushing on with excellent products, specially HiFiMan with their more affordable orthos. The technology with planar diaphragms has improved significantly since the '90s. The material Kapton is much better than Mylar, both are used in electrostatic and ortho cans. Vacuum tubes are still being made today (in China and in Russia).

 

As far as recordings go, yes, most of the popular music today are not well mastered, but there are still those who are doing their best like Steve Hoffman, and others.

 

And today is better than then, imagine carrying a butt load of CDs through the airport. Now, you can have your whole music collection, lossless, in a terabyte HD as big as one cassette tape (what is a cassette tape?).

 

Or even better in a cloud.

 

P.S. Just want to add, back then there were no custom IEMs. I only had an Ety ER4S. Nowadays, custom IEMs is the way to go.


Edited by wuwhere - 12/27/11 at 10:02pm
post #103 of 1509


 

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Its weird how music has regressed. So were these HE60 and HE90 cheaper than the HD800s when they were in regular production?
 

 



If you ignore inflation, the HE series were more expensive. I think with inflation accounted for, the HE60 and HD800 were probably about the same (at that $1500-$2000 mark); remember that Sennheiser has pushed its prices up quite a bit in the last twenty years. The HD 580's mentioned a few posts up were $299 when they first came out - the HD 650 (which is very roughly the same thing, from an engineering perspective) lists for something like $600. What has, really, changed? You can't tell me plastic and mesh have gotten that expensive in twenty years.

 

I want to say the R10 was somewhere in the multi-thousand dollar ballpark, where the Ultrasone Ed10 or Stax Omega systems sit today. I know the Koss ESP/950 was around $2000 when it first came out - it's come down quite a bit in 22 years (and quite expectedly, so have its ratings, go figure).

 

I wouldn't agree that speaker/audio tech has gone entirely backwards - we've made large strides in terms of format fidelity and playback equipment even in the last 20 years. That doesn't mean people necessarily embrace that technology. The overall "average" equipment is much better today than it was in the 1970s, 1980s, or 1990s (people are quick to compare, say, the AKG K701 to the AKG K1000 - but ignore that either of these products are available today, relative to the very heavy, very clunky, and very bad sounding headphones of the 1970s - for example). 

 

Back to the original:

 

Right now I'm being a bad head-fi'er, and listening through speakers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #104 of 1509

Currently rocking the AKG Q701, and loving every minute of it. biggrin.gif

post #105 of 1509

Alessandro MS1i cocobolo woodies. Yeah they sound good.

Listening to Mike Oldfield's Ommadawn.

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