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Originally Posted by Gorillaz View Post

See, everyone has different points of view, but let's end this argument let's go back to talk about Heir Audio gear

 

Personally, I don't see any argument, and if anything, it places posters/readers in general in a more informed position (and this includes Heir products), but to each their own. 

post #7127 of 7980
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Originally Posted by cravenz View Post

 

Personally, I don't see any argument, and if anything, it places posters/readers in general in a more informed position (and this includes Heir products), but to each their own. 


No no no Cravenz. Do you not remember this thread is for praising only. Come on man, keep yourself informed will you.

post #7128 of 7980
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No no no Cravenz. Do you not remember this thread is for praising only. Come on man, keep yourself informed will you.

 

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I am a big proponent for freedom of speech though and I think it is very very unfortunate that nothing is done about this. So often people wish to make a comment, even if remotely negative, and it is rather quickly shut down. I moderate a different set of forums where this is encountered all the time and I do my best as a moderator to encourage people to come out with their opinions, even if it is against the prevailing popular opinion i.e. I think moderators can take a more pro-active stance against this. 

 

There will always be bias for a product, and bias can work both ways, for and/or against. And even more so where one is bias for, they should understand that there may be others who has a bias against, and vice versa. Only with both sides of the story being put out will others be allowed to make more informed decisions about a product. We all want to share what we know about a product, but it isn't fair to dictate how a thread should go and formulate it according to our own views about it. Some take pride in shoving the product they love or make in other poster's faces. But trust me, it is rather shallow at the end of the day. 

 

There are plenty who love Heir Audio, but I also know of a fair few who are unhappy with the product/service for whatever reasons. Unfortunately, it isn't "safe" for people to come out and give a contrary opinion. This is nothing new anyway. 

 

I think this thread has been a victim of its own hype unfortunately and some people may know what is going on, some won't.

 

Back to the normal "only positive" opinions allowed service wink.gif

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No no no Cravenz. Do you not remember this thread is for praising only. Come on man, keep yourself informed will you.
Well to be honest it is an appreciation thread. However it is comments like these, of which there have been plenty of comments like this that are intended to make proponents of Heir Audio lash out. To be honest this thread could certainly do without it, positive and negative opinions are one thing trolling is certainly another.
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The issue isn't about negative statements, or free speech, although the trolls would love to lead folks to believe this.

 

The issue is this thread is not on topic....   the topic has shifted to a debate over how one "should" define neutral, natural or what ever....

 

If you want to discuss audio semantics, utilize forum decorum and create a new thread, as staying on topic is a rule set forth by Head-Fi.  If you don't like the rules, take it up with Jude or the moderators.

 

 

Wizard

Dr. John Moulton

Here at Noble, we craft some of the finest universal and custom in-ear monitors available today. 

post #7131 of 7980
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The issue isn't about negative statements, or free speech, although the trolls would love to lead folks to believe this.

 

The issue is this thread is not on topic....   the topic has shifted to a debate over how one "should" define neutral, natural or what ever....

 

If you want to discuss audio semantics, utilize forum decorum and create a new thread, as staying on topic is a rule set forth by Head-Fi.  If you don't like the rules, take it up with Jude or the moderators.

 

 

Wizard

 

I'm sorry, but the last time someone set about talking about the fit of Heir products and the troubles they had, they were told that it was off-topic as well. I think a little tolerance can be exercised within discussions where it is an off-shoot of a discussion involving Heir products. If there is more to be discussed, or there can be even more meaningful discussion, a separate thread can be utilised. Of that, there is no doubt. However, in order to progress the discussion to such a level or find out if there is similar meaningful discussion to be had, it has to start somewhere. And if it is sparked off from a Heir product, especially if it is something positive, it really doesn't hurt. But then again, if there are off-topic things going on, and positive, it gets ignored and no one says it is off-topic (so long as it suits the you/whoever). Just saying.

 

It is about being consistent. You can't cherry pick what you want discussed though admittedly, there is a point where threads go so far off-topic that they cannot be recovered. But with the greatest of respect, take for example, just one page back where you, yourself, went off and explained (to your credit) your music preferences, the evolution of the IEM etc. The first part of your post was tangential and arguably somewhat related given you linked it back to what you build. The second part of your post was highly informative but had absolutely nothing to do with Heir (even if you casually threw in the Tzar).

 

You have a wealth of knowledge to share, others do too, but sometimes we can't read each others' minds to know what to learn from each other and it takes a little something (off-topic) to start it and get it going. Sure, let's go back to "x" can only be said in "x" thread, if you wish for that, then that's fine too. Makes for an altogether boring read in my opinion. A forum is for people to share what they know and learn but within reason obviously.

 

Anyhow. I'm out. This is a fruitless exercise as it has been mentioned before and it really is a re-hash, unfortunate as it is.

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Originally Posted by cravenz View Post

 

It is about being consistent. You can't cherry pick what you want discussed though admittedly, there is a point where threads go so far off-topic that they cannot be recovered. But with the greatest of respect, take for example, just one page back where you, yourself, went off and explained (to your credit) your music preferences, the evolution of the IEM etc. The first part of your post was tangential and arguably somewhat related given you linked it back to what you build. The second part of your post was highly informative but had absolutely nothing to do with Heir (even if you casually threw in the Tzar).

 

 

 

Surely the very fact the comment is from the man who makes the Heir iems, makes it perfectly appropriate for an Heir appreciation thread?? The subject was straying into a conversation about terminology and semantics, which was clearly off topic.

 

So without further ado and straight back on topic....  Dr Moulton, when are you going to start producing more of those universal 8 driver iems you built before? biggrin.gif

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  Dr Moulton, when are you going to start producing more of those universal 8 driver iems you built before? biggrin.gif

 

 

Crafty.......         Ooooohhhhhh, how I wish to answer your question:)

Dr. John Moulton

Here at Noble, we craft some of the finest universal and custom in-ear monitors available today. 

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Originally Posted by CraftyClown View Post

 

Surely the very fact the comment is from the man who makes the Heir iems, makes it perfectly appropriate for an Heir appreciation thread?? The subject was straying into a conversation about terminology and semantics, which was clearly off topic.

 

It's okay if you don't understand the point. 

 

You may pursue the question you have with Heir in the second part of your post (which is omitted above) i.e. get back "on-topic".

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Well to be honest it is an appreciation thread. However it is comments like these, of which there have been plenty of comments like this that are intended to make proponents of Heir Audio lash out. To be honest this thread could certainly do without it, positive and negative opinions are one thing trolling is certainly another.


Buffoons and mockery are essential to any healthy dialog. Which seldom exists here. This whole debate started with DF saying: the Tzar 350 are not flat at all. It is not negative or positive per say, just a statement. But anything that is not pure adoration is not possible on this thread. The only reason the debate derived is that certain "proponents" could only answer the statement that the Tzar is not neutral by "what is neutral really ?". Fascinating.

 

I have nothing against the brand as I appreciate its products and its service and have been transparent about it. I have even strongly recommended the 5.0 on this forum and the French equivalent of Headfi. I just find the thread to often veer towards the nauseating. I appreciate Heir products but can still be critical. Why is it that some people cannot be critical (but still put their products on the for sale thread)?

 

I do not understand it. I appreciate several brands but I am able to have discussions on these brands. But worry not "proponents of Heir", the buffoon shall no disturb you anymore as I will unsubscribe immediatly :)

 

Peace and love.
 

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Originally Posted by FullCircle View Post

 

 

Crafty.......         Ooooohhhhhh, how I wish to answer your question:)

 

I shall continue to live in hope biggrin.gif

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Little people... Why can't we all just.... Get along??  biggrin.gif


Edited by CraftyClown - 5/12/13 at 5:31am
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I shall continue to live in hope biggrin.gif

I like to dream big. I await the 20 driver IEM...

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I like to dream big. I await the 20 driver IEM...

 

I think I might need ear enlargement surgery first  biggrin.gif

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