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post #7036 of 7980
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

Silver tends to be on the brighter side. I've found it to make the sound staging more spacious, sometimes thinning out vocals and taking them along with the mids slightly further back. Copper tends to add warmth to the sound, is less detailed than silver but has a more organic sound to it. Depending on the gear I could prefer either.
 

I've found this to be my experience as well, but keep in mind we're talking changes of 1-2% here, tops. I really liked what I heard from the Toxic Cables Silver Poison but the Magnus beats it (thoroughly, no contest really) when it comes to ergonomics. 

 

I keep pestering The Wizard to make an all-silver Magnus cable...

 

Edit: At the risk of catching hell from half of head-fi, I really don't think the cost of the Silver Poison (we're talking a $300 cable here) is justified by the small improvements gained.

 

Edit 2: Given the fact that I am right now listening to ambient/chill house (Mike Sheridan) from the DX100 via a Magnus IC to the Rendition 1 amp via a Magnus cable to my 8.A, my point about value for money and The Law Of Diminishing Returns might be considered null and void.


Edited by Sorensiim - 5/8/13 at 12:06am
post #7037 of 7980
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Originally Posted by Sorensiim View Post

I've found this to be my experience as well, but keep in mind we're talking changes of 1-2% here, tops. I really liked what I heard from the Toxic Cables Silver Poison but the Magnus beats it (thoroughly, no contest really) when it comes to ergonomics. 

 

I keep pestering The Wizard to make an all-silver Magnus cable...

 

Edit: At the risk of catching hell from half of head-fi, I really don't think the cost of the Silver Poison (we're talking a $300 cable here) is justified by the small improvements gained.

 

Edit 2: Given the fact that I am right now listening to ambient/chill house (Mike Sheridan) from the DX100 via a Magnus IC to the Rendition 1 amp via a Magnus cable to my 8.A, my point about value for money and The Law Of Diminishing Returns might be considered null and void.


It also depends on which gear you pair the cables with. In my experience other IEMs scale noticeably better and show that much more of an improvement with high quality cables than other IEMs. With my 8As and the gold cable I do feel it is more than a 2% gain personally (more along the lines of 15%. :). I didn't really like silver cable on the 8As though. But at the price premium I fully understand where you are coming from.

post #7038 of 7980
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Originally Posted by djcarpentier View Post

I understand about the magnus. However I've already ordered and can't get the deal when purchased together. So I was just wondering about other options, and more specifically the sonic differeces between silver and copper.


If your order hasn't shipped you could contact The Wizard to see if they could add a Magnus 1 to the order.

post #7039 of 7980
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Originally Posted by Cya|\| View Post

is there any post that shows how to clean the iems internally? How often should one do it on average?
 

 

Anybody pls?

post #7040 of 7980
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Originally Posted by Cya|\| View Post

 

Anybody pls?

About the cleaning frequency, it depends on person I can say. For example I am one darn unlucky guy, as my doctor stated several times already, my ear produces more wax than average person. I remember I read somewhere, iems should be cleaned with the tool after every use.

 

For the cleaning methods, I can't help much but I am sure if you search a little bit (google?) you can find plenty of information.

post #7041 of 7980

Isn't cleaning pretty self explanatory. Use the prepackaged tool and remove wax if the nozzles of the IEM or CIEM start to look clogged?

post #7042 of 7980
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

Isn't cleaning pretty self explanatory. Use the prepackaged tool and remove wax if the nozzles of the IEM or CIEM start to look clogged?

 

I was worried about inserting the thing in the hole and damage something inside. Is there a risk so?

post #7043 of 7980
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Originally Posted by Cya|\| View Post

 

I was worried about inserting the thing in the hole and damage something inside. Is there a risk so?

You can't insert it that deep with the prepackaged tool anyways so it should be fine. And your ear wax build up, I doubt will be deep inside the nozzle, it will be near the tip. I guess the only way you can damage it is to use a needle or something and go shoving it in deep inside....

 

Out of curiosity, if anybody wants to have an CIEM reshelled, do you need to send in your impressions again or can they work with the pre-existing CIEM you already possess?


Edited by uchihaitachi - 5/8/13 at 10:27am
post #7044 of 7980
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

You can't insert it that deep with the prepackaged tool anyways so it should be fine. And your ear wax build up, I doubt will be deep inside the nozzle, it will be near the tip. I guess the only way you can damage it is to use a needle or something and go shoving it in deep inside....

 

Out of curiosity, if anybody wants to have an CIEM reshelled, do you need to send in your impressions again or can they work with the pre-existing CIEM you already possess?

I think you need  to send new impressions. 

post #7045 of 7980
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

You can't insert it that deep with the prepackaged tool anyways so it should be fine. And your ear wax build up, I doubt will be deep inside the nozzle, it will be near the tip. I guess the only way you can damage it is to use a needle or something and go shoving it in deep inside....

 

Out of curiosity, if anybody wants to have an CIEM reshelled, do you need to send in your impressions again or can they work with the pre-existing CIEM you already possess?


It would probably be best to send new impressions.  However if you can bear to be away from your current ciems (and they fit perfectly) then it may be an idea to include those as a reference so they get the fit spot on first time.

 

Cheers

post #7046 of 7980
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Originally Posted by Poimandres View Post

Wow long that was a long ass post.  I am glad that you are enjoying the 4ai's, I look forward to your thoughts on the other Heir IEM's.

Cheer's,  I was looking originally last year of getting the Shure SE535's as a 2nd back up pair or grab & go to my JH16's but never got around to doing so and then heard the 4Ai's which to me from memory of my old beloved SE530's (rip) where reminiscent in some respects but have better ability for detailing to my old SE530's, but then came along the 5.0's...... I will be getting around to those soon and reporting back on them as thing's are quite hectic for me of late hence I have not been to active (not enough hours in the day hence typing @ past midnight)  So, watch this space on the 5.0's....

 

 

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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

 

+1...  I don't hear a spike in the 4.Ai.  Mine does measure with one, but it's very small if anything.  I would say it has to be the recording...  Could be wrong though. 

This was the only thing that perplexed me personally with the 4Ai's as they where generally more prominent to other iems I have owned in recent years and got used to that and it matches the over all balance of the 4Ai's signature quite well but I had it on a couple of songs which I would not of normally classed as bad recordings which threw me a bit but when it happened it was on the verge of maybe just finding it a bit bright or harsh with those songs.

 

But was nothing like my Sony MDR-Z1000 headphones which I had this issue with but that when it happened was rated as painful to listen to and thought it was just me but then it became apparent other Z1000 owners had the same experience.  Again the Z1000 had the ability to show up poor recordings and was accentuated even more when one a bad recording came along on the Z1000 can's. 

 

 The 4Ai is no where near that and am used to the treble presentation of the 4Ai and does not happen with every song, but when you hear it with a couple of tracks you thought was usually kosher was a bit perplexing, but there will always be many anomalies involved like pairing of equipment and cables all contributing also to a degree I guess?!

 

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Originally Posted by Sorensiim View Post

I've found this to be my experience as well, but keep in mind we're talking changes of 1-2% here, tops. I really liked what I heard from the Toxic Cables Silver Poison but the Magnus beats it (thoroughly, no contest really) when it comes to ergonomics. 

 

I keep pestering The Wizard to make an all-silver Magnus cable...

 

Edit: At the risk of catching hell from half of head-fi, I really don't think the cost of the Silver Poison (we're talking a $300 cable here) is justified by the small improvements gained.

 

Edit 2: Given the fact that I am right now listening to ambient/chill house (Mike Sheridan) from the DX100 via a Magnus IC to the Rendition 1 amp via a Magnus cable to my 8.A, my point about value for money and The Law Of Diminishing Returns might be considered null and void.

 

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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


It also depends on which gear you pair the cables with. In my experience other IEMs scale noticeably better and show that much more of an improvement with high quality cables than other IEMs. With my 8As and the gold cable I do feel it is more than a 2% gain personally (more along the lines of 15%. :). I didn't really like silver cable on the 8As though. But at the price premium I fully understand where you are coming from.

Lee & Sorensim.....

 

I see both sides of the story on the dreaded cables debate, personally that did not stop me buying a Twag cable when I got my JH16pros a couple or so years back!  

 

For me the improvement over the supplied (is it Westone cables with JH16's?) was definitely more than 2% for me but were they worth the "Mercedes class C"  price of cables I would have to say not close but knowing what improvements it had over the stock cable and the investment I had just made of over 1K for the JH16's to me it was worth the one of astronomical layout just the once (he says!)

 

I was also lucky enough after been unlucky with  the first generation TWags developed  a quality issue and  I got offered the Hybrid TWag V2's at special discount which made it to tempting as normally this cable cost as much as a mid range ciem!

It is an interesting mix of copper and silver cables together which keeps the detail highs and openness  with the nice controlled lower ends and goes quite well with my 16's, quite a rich flavour though especially when used with something like the Sony X Walkman.  

 

But I still like and perhaps still prefer the Silver only TWag cable I have and am still yet to try the Hybrids with the Heirs which should be interesting, 

 

How subtle/flexible  is the Magnus cable?  Looks like from what I have read it seems a reasonable and more importantly a realistic price compared to the hardcore boutique cables like my TWags or Toxic cables and the likes.  


Edited by FortisFlyer75 - 5/8/13 at 4:55pm
post #7047 of 7980
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Originally Posted by FortisFlyer75 View Post

Cheer's,  I was looking originally last year of getting the Shure SE535's as a 2nd back up pair or grab & go to my JH16's but never got around to doing so and then heard the 4Ai's which to me from memory of my old beloved SE530's (rip) where reminiscent in some respects but have better ability for detailing to my old SE530's, but then came along the 5.0's...... I will be getting around to those soon and reporting back on them as thing's are quite hectic for me of late hence I have not been to active (not enough hours in the day hence typing @ past midnight)  So, watch this space on the 5.0's....

 

 

This was the only thing that perplexed me personally with the 4Ai's as they where generally more prominent to other iems I have owned in recent years and got used to that and it matches the over all balance of the 4Ai's signature quite well but I had it on a couple of songs which I would not of normally classed as bad recordings which threw me a bit but when it happened it was on the verge of maybe just finding it a bit bright or harsh with those songs.

 

But was nothing like my Sony MDR-Z1000 headphones which I had this issue with but that when it happened was rated as painful to listen to and thought it was just me but then it became apparent other Z1000 owners had the same experience.  Again the Z1000 had the ability to show up poor recordings and was accentuated even more when one a bad recording came along on the Z1000 can's. 

 

 The 4Ai is no where near that and am used to the treble presentation of the 4Ai and does not happen with every song, but when you hear it with a couple of tracks you thought was usually kosher was a bit perplexing, but there will always be many anomalies involved like pairing of equipment and cables all contributing also to a degree I guess?!

 

 

Lee & Sorensim.....

 

I see both sides of the story on the dreaded cables debate, personally that did not stop me buying a Twag cable when I got my JH16pros a couple or so years back!  

 

For me the improvement over the supplied (is it Westone cables with JH16's?) was definitely more than 2% for me but were they worth the "Mercedes class C"  price of cables I would have to say not close but knowing what improvements it had over the stock cable and the investment I had just made of over 1K for the JH16's to me it was worth the one of astronomical layout just the once (he says!)

 

I was also lucky enough after been unlucky with  the first generation TWags developed  a quality issue and  I got offered the Hybrid TWag V2's at special discount which made it to tempting as normally this cable cost as much as a mid range ciem!

It is an interesting mix of copper and silver cables together which keeps the detail highs and openness  with the nice controlled lower ends and goes quite well with my 16's, quite a rich flavour though especially when used with something like the Sony X Walkman.  

 

But I still like and perhaps still prefer the Silver only TWag cable I have and am still yet to try the Hybrids with the Heirs which should be interesting, 

 

How subtle/flexible  is the Magnus cable?  Looks like from what I have read it seems a reasonable and more importantly a realistic price compared to the hardcore boutique cables like my TWags or Toxic cables and the likes.  

I currently have both the SE 535 and SE535LTD. The 4ai is significantly better in details!

post #7048 of 7980

Hello, I think I was last in this thread maybe 50 pages ago haha.

 

I'm finally going to get the 8A probably in the next few days :)

 

I want to build a system from scratch. I'm trying to balance between portability and SQ.

 

Right now I'm thinking of either a high end DAP -> 8A or the new fiio x3 digital out to a DAC -> Amp (Rendition 1??) -> 8A.

 

Any recommendations, thoughts and comments appreciated :)

 

Thank you!

post #7049 of 7980
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Hello, I think I was last in this thread maybe 50 pages ago haha.

 

I'm finally going to get the 8A probably in the next few days :)

 

I want to build a system from scratch. I'm trying to balance between portability and SQ.

 

Right now I'm thinking of either a high end DAP -> 8A or the new fiio x3 digital out to a DAC -> Amp (Rendition 1??) -> 8A.

 

Any recommendations, thoughts and comments appreciated :)

 

Thank you!

Rendition 1 is fantastic but its portability is well um.....

 

For portability's sake the fiio x3 should be good enough just with the 8A. But then, I don't know any empirical data on the X3 so can't really comment on it. However why not look at the DX50 that is due to be released soon (I heard it is not sonically compromised in any way to its older and MUCH larger brother, the DX100). Although I do not possess the DX100, it has rave subjective reviews AND excellent measurements, so I believe the DX50 would be an excellent choice.


Edited by uchihaitachi - 5/9/13 at 7:28am
post #7050 of 7980
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

Rendition 1 is fantastic but its portability is well um.....

I find the rendition 1 to be very portable. Plus the battery life is amazing. I'm going on 7 days of listening a few hours a day now and haven't had to recharge.
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