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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

Then just buy a Yamaha.with a Steinway label on it.


Cadillac tried that in the 80's - took a Chevy and slapped a Caddy emblem on it... didn't fool anyone except my aunt Esther - but she drinks a lot.

post #6992 of 7980
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

 

There are physical differences between the 4.A and 4.Ai.  You can't just assume it's either the driver differences or seal.  The length of a nozzle can make a big difference in the final output sound. 

 

 

You think?

 

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Wait is that the 4Ai next to the 4A or the Tzar350? The heir emblem on my 4ai is different from the one pictured above?

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Now that you mention it, this might be the 350. I had the whole collection in for review and they were interchangeable in terms of size, so I guess I just grabbed the wrong one for my "size comparison" pic.
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

 

There are physical differences between the 4.A and 4.Ai.  You can't just assume it's either the driver differences or seal.  The length of a nozzle can make a big difference in the final output sound. 


Of course I realize that physical difference due to the custom-formed seal. I am wondering if there is anything else other than that.

post #6996 of 7980

I have a couple of question.

 

Does Heir Audio consider making silicone ciems?

 

Will Tzar series come in custom made option too? (like 4.A and 4.Ai)

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Originally Posted by project86 View Post

Now that you mention it, this might be the 350. I had the whole collection in for review and they were interchangeable in terms of size, so I guess I just grabbed the wrong one for my "size comparison" pic.

Oh I see. I had a OMG I had the Tzar 350 or something all along moment!

post #6998 of 7980
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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post

I have a couple of question.

 

Does Heir Audio consider making silicone ciems?

 

Will Tzar series come in custom made option too? (like 4.A and 4.Ai)

 

As far as I know they have no plans to make silicon based products, or custom molded Tzar models. But of course that could change at a later time. 

 

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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

Oh I see. I had a OMG I had the Tzar 350 or something all along moment!

 

I know what you mean. When I first got them all in, I got mixed up myself. 

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Just a general question about seal. Given that one already has an airtight seal, does the tightness of the seal one feels have any correlation to the quality of sound? Or is an airtight seal the be all and end all when it comes to seal?

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Uchi you can't really compare a Custom Fit IEM to a universal fit in that they seal differently. The Custom IEM relies on its shell and resting fully inside your ear canals (custom shaped to your ear) while a universal more so relies on the silicone at its bass to form the seal. Very different approaches IMO and it does indeed lead to different sound. The custom also significantly amplifies bone conduction & I can hear my own heartbeat with them in. With universals I don't really have those issues. This was my experience with a Custom TF10 vs the Universal form. I actually preferred the universal form in this case as the custom had too much bass for my tastes. But that wasn't the only difference I noticed between them. The universal had a bigger sound staging while the custom had a more intimate sound staging.
 


Edited by lee730 - 5/6/13 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

Uchi you can't really compare a Custom Fit IEM to a universal fit in that they seal differently. The Custom IEM relies on its shell and resting fully inside your ear canals while a universal more so relies on the silicone at its bass to form the seal. Very different approaches IMO and it does indeed lead to different sound. This was my experience with a Custom TF10 vs the Universal form. I actually preferred the universal form in this case as the custom had too much bass for my tastes. But that wasn't the only difference I noticed between them. The universal had a bigger sound staging while the custom had a more intimate sound staging.
 

I was referring to say a tight custom seal vs a custom that has an airtight seal but isn't tight.

And a tight universal seal vs a universal seal that has an airtight seal but doesn't feel as tight. 

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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

I was referring to say a tight custom seal vs a custom that has an airtight seal but isn't tight.

And a tight universal seal vs a universal seal that has an airtight seal but doesn't feel as tight. 

 

I think that can have an impact on the sound as well as comfort. Also factoring in a deep insertion vs a shallow one. That doesn't mean it applies to all IEMs but I've experienced that in particular with dynamic IEMs.

post #7003 of 7980

Let me rephrase the question. Say a person has two 8As. Both provide an airtight seal but one is rather tight the other one not so. Would there be any sonic difference between these two? Or would it only be a matter of comfort?

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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

Let me rephrase the question. Say a person has two 8As. Both provide an airtight seal but one is rather tight the other one not so. Would there be any sonic difference between these two? Or would it only be a matter of comfort?


That depends on the situation. It could be a matter of both comfort and altered sound based on fit issues. For example some people have heard the 8As as being extremely sibilant and aggressive in the treble region. That sounds rather odd to me as I don't hear them like that at all. That could possibly be due to fit issues even though they perceive no comfort or fit issues. Say one of the bores is hitting on the side  of your ear canal and obstructing it. There are many factors to take into consideration. Having too great of a seal with suction seemed to impact sound for the worse for me as well. But the bigger issue was comfort IMO. With excessive suction giving me a headache.

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Thanks for the response. I am pretty clueless seal in general. Nothing about customs is ever simple is it lol. The 8A sibilant? Never thought anyone could perceive the 8A's treble as sibilant...

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