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Now that i know CIEM's work for me I intend to eventually get a set of bass head CIEM's. Considering I like my 4A's so much I'll be sending more of my hard earned bones Heir's way and will be investing in a 8A.. Next time around though I'm going to pay the premium and let Wizard work his magic. Dr Moulton quick question, I know your company only does simple artwork but if I was to send you a picture could that be used as a basis to give you an idea on what to create for the customer? You know, use the artwork as something to work from and maybe get the creative juices flowing.


Hey guys Pantera really sounds sweet on the 4A's. Dimebag Darrell never sounded better

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 Dr Moulton quick question, I know your company only does simple artwork but if I was to send you a picture could that be used as a basis to give you an idea on what to create for the customer? You know, use the artwork as something to work from and maybe get the creative juices flowing.


Hey guys Pantera really sounds sweet on the 4A's. Dimebag Darrell never sounded better

 

 

        I have approached builds in that manner before, but keep in mind the surface area of a face plate is not much bigger than your thumb nail.

 

 

WIzard

Dr. John Moulton

Here at Noble, we craft some of the finest universal and custom in-ear monitors available today. 

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Evening boys and girls 

I'm looking for a bit of advice from my learned chums smily_headphones1.gif

I'm very interested in trying customs, however I need high impedence IEMs as I am a stock AK100 owner. I have the Tzar 350s which I adore, but I wondered if there was any value in having them re-shelled? 

I'm currently using comply tips with my Tzars, but I imagine custom molds would give a better seal and get the best out of the 350s.

Is there any sense in my thinking, or is this a pointless exercise?

Cheers

Anyone? Beueller? wink.gif
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Anyone? Beueller? wink.gif

Currently they don't offer customs for the Tzars. Sticking with memory foam would be your best bet I think. I'm thinking of replacing my customs with memory foam as it seems there is less headache involved with that route. 


Edited by serious7 - 3/31/13 at 11:27am
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I like the philosophy of if it ain't broke then don't worry about it.  If the fit seems pretty good now how much extra will a custom bring to the table?  I don't know, never owned a custom myself.  However, the Heir Audio shell + Comply tips have been an amazing fit for my ears so I'm pretty content.  Maybe it could get 5-10% better with a custom, maybe lower, maybe higher.  For me the seal is great.  Does it get better with Customs because the nozzle can go deeper into the ear canal?  Not sure. 

 

 

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Anyone? Beueller? wink.gif
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I like the philosophy of if it ain't broke then don't worry about it.  If the fit seems pretty good now how much extra will a custom bring to the table?  I don't know, never owned a custom myself.  However, the Heir Audio shell + Comply tips have been an amazing fit for my ears so I'm pretty content.  Maybe it could get 5-10% better with a custom, maybe lower, maybe higher.  For me the seal is great.  Does it get better with Customs because the nozzle can go deeper into the ear canal?  Not sure. 

 

 

With customs, you have to deal with the chance that it won't work out for you. Refits are a pain to go through.

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With customs, you have to deal with the chance that it won't work out for you. Refits are a pain to go through.

The payoff for any hassle is though that if the fit is right it is perfect. I only have the limited experience of the ACS custom tips. One time for the IE8's, I gave up after 2 refits and about 5 remoulds. All at no extra charge. This time ACS own T-15's. Right first time and a huge leap forward in sound quality over universal tips. You cannot beat having a perfect fit and seal with the sound being directed into your ear canal.

ACS use soft silicone. I have neve rtried an acrylic shell. YMMV. happy_face1.gif

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The payoff for any hassle is though that if the fit is right it is perfect. I only have the limited experience of the ACS custom tips. One time for the IE8's, I gave up after 2 refits and about 5 remoulds. All at no extra charge. This time ACS own T-15's. Right first time and a huge leap forward in sound quality over universal tips. You cannot beat having a perfect fit and seal with the sound being directed into your ear canal.

ACS use soft silicone. I have neve rtried an acrylic shell. YMMV. happy_face1.gif

There is a law of economics that states that the more you pay for a type of item, the lower return you will obtain. As such, the more you pay for a custom does not necessarily mean you get more for your buck. I think that having customs at most will give you a marginal upgrade over the custom foam if anything. To those who claim that it gives substantial performance over universals/memory foam, it is probably just placebo effect. 


Edited by serious7 - 3/31/13 at 2:21pm
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With CIEM, other than seal, SQ, etc, you get to express your personality with custom design. That's more than enough for me. 

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FYI

 

 

The Driver on the Tzar 350 is vented - which prevents the use of silicone based shells/housing

 

 

Bummer

Dr. John Moulton

Here at Noble, we craft some of the finest universal and custom in-ear monitors available today. 

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With CIEM, other than seal, SQ, etc, you get to express your personality with custom design. That's more than enough for me. 

not all manufacturer's allow custom design. This is one the cool perks with heir audio though. 

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I think that having customs at most will give you a marginal upgrade over the custom foam if anything. To those who claim that it gives substantial performance over universals/memory foam, it is probably just placebo effect. 

 

I have had both and I strongly disagree. The degree of comfort with customs, I have reshelled TF-10's (unwearable prior to being reshelled) and the Heir 8a, is significant. The sonic improvement with the TF-10 after reshell was significant and I have not heard an IEM better than the 8a. I had the opportunity to buy the 4ai and opted for the 8a and am confident in the decision I made each time I listen. I claim substantial performance over universals with memory foam and I have been an avid headphone user for more than 40 years.
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I have had both and I strongly disagree. The degree of comfort with customs, I have reshelled TF-10's (unwearable prior to being reshelled) and the Heir 8a, is significant. The sonic improvement with the TF-10 after reshell was significant and I have not heard an IEM better than the 8a. I had the opportunity to buy the 4ai and opted for the 8a and am confident in the decision I made each time I listen. I claim substantial performance over universals with memory foam and I have been an avid headphone user for more than 40 years.


Well I was the opposite in relation to the TF10 and it being reshelled lol. I found the universal to fit me better (in terms of comfort) and the sound quality was better on the universal than the on the custom. Too much bass after on the custom in comparison.... Wasn't good for music at all at that point. But good for games.

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I have had both and I strongly disagree. The degree of comfort with customs, I have reshelled TF-10's (unwearable prior to being reshelled) and the Heir 8a, is significant. The sonic improvement with the TF-10 after reshell was significant and I have not heard an IEM better than the 8a. I had the opportunity to buy the 4ai and opted for the 8a and am confident in the decision I made each time I listen. I claim substantial performance over universals with memory foam and I have been an avid headphone user for more than 40 years.


Interesting point of view, if you don't mind me piping in my two cents I'd like to put forward an alternate view. The thing you should remember is everyone's ear canals, not unlike your fingerprints, are different and no two peoples ear impressions will be the same. From what I understand with customs your ear canal is taken out of the equation due to the fact once your molds are set on the acrylic shells the inner BA's are tuned to an exact frequency range while with universals that's not always the case. For example, one person due to the shape of his/her ear canals will hear sibilance and peaky treble while another person will hear none of that. When I owned the Klipsch X10 no matter what I did I never could tame the upper mid range enough so that vocals wasn't a constant hiss fest. I must have gone through a small army of different tip types in a vain attempt to try and get a proper enough fit that would solve my sibilance problems. Meanwhile others were using the stock tips without any issue of sibilance or were using the same after market tips I was experimenting with with far better results then I was having. In the end I decided to just sell the X10 and cut my losses. I have no doubt in your word and believe you when you say you notice a substantial difference in performance. Considering we have an audiologist on thread he more than anyone else can probably shed more light on what I've said. Something else you should remember is although your experience with customs have been positive there are others on here who have tried customs in the past and no matter what they did or how many refits they went through it never worked out for them. All I'm saying is everyone's ears is different and everyone's mileage will vary as far as significant sonic improvements is concerned.


Edited by DigitalFreak - 3/31/13 at 7:42pm
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Great comments Lee730 and DigitalFreak. I appreciate your opinions and thank you for expressing them. One more time it shows that we are all not pressed from the same mold and that is what makes this community so interesting to follow.
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