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post #5971 of 7980

Isolation only makes things quieter, it doesn't eliminate outside sound. Nothing you put in your ears can ensure complete silence, except maybe a screwdriver (don't do that).

 

You should be able to hear your fingers rubbing no matter what -- as long as you're paying close enough attention. The character of isolation I get from custom IEMs and universal IEMs is different, and can take some getting used. Also, your customs need some time to settle into your ears when you first insert them, so as long as they're well-positioned when you first put them in they'll settle in better if you fuss with them less.

post #5972 of 7980

for new ciem owners i think it takes a while to get that proper fit right each time, its been more then a month and though i don't get enough time to listen to the 8.a everyday.. i still have to play around to get my fit right, i too hear my fingers rub (sometimes) just like you described it and the bass punch missing sometimes .. but i slightly press them in and i get what i think is a proper seal. ..my seal on the left ear too breaks when i talk or eat.. (even though i got a open mouth impression done) but the only reason i didn't want to do a refit is .. cuz i don't want to mess something else up, i dont have any pain in either of my ears when im using them, even straight on for a couple of hours.. and if im not talkin alot... the fit seems fine and the seal doesn't break,  im also using a bad source and so have not experienced the 8.a in their full potential.. so keep trying to play around with your ciems, ive noticed i get a proper fit when i remove and put them back lol i hope this helps

post #5973 of 7980
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Originally Posted by DigitalFreak View Post

I'm not sure but I think I may have a misfit also. When I insert my pair at first the sound seems ok but after say 5 to 10 minutes the bass seems to get a little anemic. If I push gently on my plates though the bass gets slightly fuller and the sound signature in general seems a tad warmer. If I'm eating with them on I lose seal within a couple of minutes and if walking with them they seem to lose seal within 5 to 10 minutes. I've also noticed my pair don't seem to be isolating very well compared to my comply tipped universals. If someone is laughing and the music passage is soft I can easily hear them and if I'm walking down the street I sometimes have to turn the volume slightly up to shut out traffic noise

I'm going to play around with them a little more before passing final judgement. I think I'm inserting them correctly.


I seriously suggest you don't wear custom IEMs out in public lol. That is asking for trouble... That sucks if the fit isn't working for you though. Mine was almost perfect. Just my right IEM was sticking out of my ear a bit while the left one sat perfectly flush inside my ear....


Edited by lee730 - 3/13/13 at 3:14pm
post #5974 of 7980
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Originally Posted by serious7 View Post


Just an update. I made a mistake in a couple of my initial observations.

-if I rub my fingers together, I CAN hear a LITTLE bit of it when not playing any music. Best way to describe it is like a small ant walking past my ear. Very small. Yet it's there. 5 percent of it.
-If I play music (I always listen to music on low volumes), I cannot hear my fingers rubbing togteher.
-If I push my ciems into my ear  with no music playing and then rub my fingers, the sound of the fingers rubbing is reduced to like 2 percent.

Everything else remains the same thus far. It is only day 2 since I've got my 4A's. Will continue to observe further.

Do you find there's a difference in sound after wearing your pair for a short while? I seem to be able to get a seal but I'm thinking I can't keep the seal for long. Once I get home I'm going to try a few more tests and get some pics up of my pair seated in my ears. I'm starting to feel rather depressed right now. frown.gif
post #5975 of 7980
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Originally Posted by DigitalFreak View Post


Do you find there's a difference in sound after wearing your pair for a short while? I seem to be able to get a seal but I'm thinking I can't keep the seal for long. Once I get home I'm going to try a few more tests and get some pics up of my pair seated in my ears. I'm starting to feel rather depressed right now. frown.gif


Can you describe what it means to have the seal broken first? Does it basically mean "More backgroudn sound leaking in"? If that is the definition of a seal being broken then I must say no. That only happens if I open my mouth really wide. I haven't walked with the ciems yet.
I do not notice a difference in soudn after wearing for a short while. I keep my jaws in the same exact position while I work on the computer.

 

Like others have stated, give yourself some time before you come to conclusion that its a bad fit. You have a month ahead of you. LIke someone else have stated above me, let your ears get used to the ciems as these are your first? They're mine first so I'm going to be taking it slow for a while.

 

Maybe you aren't wearing it properly? Put up a photo so we can see how you are inserting them. I'm going to be sending a photo of mysel fwearing it to sunny after this weekend to see if I'm putting it on right.

 



Thanks to all those above who posted to help me out with my fit questions! I shall try to get used to mine for the next little while to see if anything changes for the better!

post #5976 of 7980
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Originally Posted by toxicdrift View Post
and the bass punch missing sometimes ..

 

8A's are supposed to be bass beasts. If you are missing that punch sometimes, I'd be seriously worried about a bad fit.

post #5977 of 7980

I'd seriously be worried about insertion

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post #5978 of 7980
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Originally Posted by FullCircle View Post

I'd seriously be worried about insertion

That too!

post #5979 of 7980

If the ear moulds are done perfectly, would this guarantee a perfect fit for the CIEM and its owner or is there still a margin for error in the making of the CIEM itself?

post #5980 of 7980

There is still a margin of error. As I stated earlier the fit on my 8As was rather good. Almost perfect in some respects. But the right IEM still stuck out of my ears while the left one didn't. That is where the margin of error comes into play. Everyone's ears are shaped differently and it's hard to account for that when making an IEM I'm sure.

post #5981 of 7980

To me, IF THE PRINTS ARE DONE CORRECTLY, there should be no fit issue. I do not know if you got your prints back also, but you should try and put the prints back in your ear (they should have taken the cotton tip away to do the CIEM). When I put the print in my ear, the fit is perfect I would say, and I do not lose seal if I talk or chew, unless I really chew on a tire. It is more or less the same with my CIEM, apart from the fact that the material is different.

 

I see different possible reasons for your problem:

 

  • You did not insert them correctly. Did you try to twist them clockwise a bit to see if they go deeper. The first time I tried CIEMS it took me a whole day to get the tight insertion
  • Maybe you are not used to the feel of the ciem so you are not sure if they fit right or not. But if they bother you because you lose seal, it is not right
  • Maybe the impressions we done wrong
  • Maybe the bass feels weak because you CIEMS are more neutral and you are not used to that ?
post #5982 of 7980
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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

To me, IF THE PRINTS ARE DONE CORRECTLY, there should be no fit issue. I do not know if you got your prints back also, but you should try and put the prints back in your ear (they should have taken the cotton tip away to do the CIEM). When I put the print in my ear, the fit is perfect I would say, and I do not lose seal if I talk or chew, unless I really chew on a tire. It is more or less the same with my CIEM, apart from the fact that the material is different.

 

I see different possible reasons for your problem:

 

  • You did not insert them correctly. Did you try to twist them clockwise a bit to see if they go deeper. The first time I tried CIEMS it took me a whole day to get the tight insertion
  • Maybe you are not used to the feel of the ciem so you are not sure if they fit right or not. But if they bother you because you lose seal, it is not right
  • Maybe the impressions we done wrong
  • Maybe the bass feels weak because you CIEMS are more neutral and you are not used to that ?

 

+1

 

Personally, I had a torrid time initially when I received my 6A and 8A.....my virgin ears really did not like being intruded upon. After switching between the two pairs on the first day, my bad, my ears were hurting so much that I thought a refit was definitely on the cards.

 

I try the 8A once more on the third day and my ears were still so painful.

 

I left it at that for two weeks and was just about to email Sunny to arrange for a refit. I tried them on again and they went straight in, locked and I realized the fit was near perfect. My pair never loses seal, no matter how I move my mouth.

 

I say near perfect as I think my right ear may need a little shaving length wise, but it is bearable and not really too annoying so I may just wait until I look for a complete reshell for different aestheticsnormal_smile%20.gif

 

The 8A and the Tera Player combination is very sweet!!!

 

I will take the 6A out of the box and listen to them over the next few days, haven't spent more than 30 mins on them yet, but they have been burned in.....................


Edited by spkrs01 - 3/13/13 at 8:28pm
post #5983 of 7980

Alright back, many thanks to everyone above for their comments concerning my questions. Just to get some things out of the way before I go on if anything the 4A's to my ears are warm compared to some of the gear I'm used to. They're not as warm as say my W4's but they're definitely warmer them say my Sony EX600 or my jPhonic k2 sp. Matter of fact when I have what I deem a proper seal the 4A's seem to have a ton of bass for my taste. I've listened to and owned stuff that sounds more neutral and far leaner sounding in the bass then the 4A so I highly doubt what I'm experiencing is related to me not being used to neutral gear.

 

I've been at home for about 30 minutes so far and I have my CIEM's plugged into my CLAS-db Leckerton UHA-6S MKII combo. I tried a couple of suggestions on the thread to troubleshoot what was going on. I'm finding inserting these CIEM's into my ears a little more quicker and easier then I was this morning/afternoon. I don't seem to be fidgeting with them as much when I'm inserting them now. After I had them in and I deemed they might be properly seated I did the rubbing the fingers test. I noticed I could hear a little rubbing on both CIEM sides. From there I did the humming test and noticed on my left ear side my voice sounded a little louder. I readjusted the CIEM's a little and hummed again and my voice sounded more centered. From there I tried the finger rubbing test and found I could hear a little rubbing on the right side but not the left side. I gave it a couple of minutes and turned the music on and the music seemed to sound about right. I'm sitting in a lazy boy right now and after I did that last test I decided to lean back in my recliner and the second I did and tilted my head back the seal on the right ear seemed to go. I immediately stopped the music and reinserted the right CIEM and played around a bit to see if maybe I could get it a little deeper in. From there I did the humming and finger rubbing test again. This time around both sides seemed to pass the test so I turned my music on and laid back in my chair and this time the seal seems to be holding. It's been about 20 minutes and I feel no discomfort and the seal seems to be holding. I've even tried putting a little light pressure on the face plates to see if theres any change in sound and so far they sound the same. I've also tried moving my jaw a little now and again to simulate talking movement and so far so good. Who knows maybe what I was complaining about was nothing more then my inexperience on how to insert them, we'll see. I'm going to give my other gear a wrest for the next week or so and see if I can get on with my 4A's. If I can't eat with them on that's fine, truth be known that was just me messing around with them on to see how well they could maintain seal, but if I can't at least walk with them inserted for 45 minutes to an hour without having to stop and fidget with them there's something wrong somewhere. Time will tell I guess and I'm not going to jump the gun and scream for a refit until I've given these CIEM's a little more time for me to experiment with.

 

Here's some pics of what they look like in my potato ears. Please pardon the bad iPhone pics I decided to quickly take these pics while typing this reply out.

 

 

 

If anyone has anything to add concerning the pics please do any help would be appreciated.


 

In the meantime enough of my complaining. I'm going to kick back and give this new toy of mine a good listen. darthsmile.gif

post #5984 of 7980
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Originally Posted by serious7 View Post

 

8A's are supposed to be bass beasts. If you are missing that punch sometimes, I'd be seriously worried about a bad fit.

 

no like the wizard said its the insertion, when its right i get plenty of bass. Although im verrryyy happy with my purchase, i fear i dont have the correct gear to drive them properly.. ive been speaking to a few members, and they say 8.A are choosy about synergy, so once i get what i think will be a good pairing, ill decide. might get a special wizard design with the refit if ever need be, so far im good with the fit. .. like i said .. it takes a while to get used to them, so if u have the one month left. keep playing around as much time as u get to know what u like/dislike about it. one thing i do know is that with heir support, u have nothing to worry about, they do everything they can to make things right. and thats a big thing in today's time. ksc75smile.gif

post #5985 of 7980
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Originally Posted by DigitalFreak View Post

Alright back...

To my inexperienced eyes, your insertion looks fine. If you can source a set of Comply Soft Wraps you can apply one of them and rule out seal issues. An easy, quick and pretty cheap way to ensure that the seal is tight. If they dramatically change the sound and isolation, you might need to have an extra layer of lacquer added to just ever so slightly bulk up the monitor, but that is something Heir will need to figure out - trying the Soft Wraps is merely a way of testing the seal smile.gif

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