Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › The Wizard Appreciation Thread - Long Live the Wizard - The former HA Appreciation Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

The Wizard Appreciation Thread - Long Live the Wizard - The former HA Appreciation Thread - Page 228  

post #3406 of 7980
Quote:
Originally Posted by serious7 View Post

 

 

With your musician fit, did your ciem end up getting really deep in your ears or did it stay relatively shallow? I have tried those foam type of iem that comes with a standard phone and I absolutely HATED IT. Was not comfortable AT ALL. My impressions of IEM's have been very negative since that experience. This is why I'm afraid of sticking things in my ears (mentally speaking). I hope all the CIEM's by Heir are shallow because that would be nice. 

I didn't say anything special to the audiologist, but he seemed to be a very experienced guy who has been doing those ear mold impressions for many many years.

He already told me about some new technology involving lasers, where you don't have to make a physical impression, just the 3d model of your inner ear as scanned by the laser will be sent to the manufacturer.:) The impression instructions on the heir audio web site mention that the impression must be taken past the second bend of the ear canal, which in my experience was pretty deep.;)

 

Can you go even deeper for the "musician's fit"?

post #3407 of 7980
Quote:
Originally Posted by pOOB73 View Post

I didn't say anything special to the audiologist, but he seemed to be a very experienced guy who has been doing those ear mold impressions for many many years.
He already told me about some new technology involving lasers, where you don't have to make a physical impression, just the 3d model of your inner ear as scanned by the laser will be sent to the manufacturer.smily_headphones1.gif The impression instructions on the heir audio web site mention that the impression must be taken past the second bend of the ear canal, which in my experience was pretty deep.wink.gif

Can you go even deeper for the "musician's fit"?

this is the laser tech he's referring to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwC7O0YvbtU&feature=g-high-u
post #3408 of 7980
Quote:
Originally Posted by pdiddypdler View Post

Is mango wood no longer an option? I remember liking someone's customs with mango wood and a dark shell...

I emailed Nancy about mango wood before I ordered my 4.A and she said that they could add it to my order, you should email Heir and see if they can do the same.

post #3409 of 7980
Quote:
Originally Posted by serious7 View Post

With your musician fit, did your ciem end up getting really deep in your ears or did it stay relatively shallow? I have tried those foam type of iem that comes with a standard phone and I absolutely HATED IT. Was not comfortable AT ALL. My impressions of IEM's have been very negative since that experience. This is why I'm afraid of sticking things in my ears (mentally speaking). I hope all the CIEM's by Heir are shallow because that would be nice. 

 

First off, custom IEMs and universal IEMs are worlds apart in terms of fit. Universal IEMs are designed to fit the widest variety of ears as possible. The standard deep foam ones, I'm not a fan. Aside from the Comply Foam Tips, normal foam foam isn't really known for being a comfortable material at the best of times. It's a bit rough and scratchy and presses a lot. Memory foam is better, but you're still just taking something meant for everyone and hoping for it to be good for you.
 
Custom IEMs, however, are meant for you. They are literally shaped to best fit into your ear. Have you ever fealt the difference between an off-the-rack suit and one that's been tailored, or had a bespoke suit? The reason people spend so much on them isn't just so they can be fancy. You can be fancy off the rack. It's because nothing fits like something that's made for your body.
 
That being said, re-reading your comment I almost think you mean earbuds and not IEMs. IEMs go deep into your ear, like earplugs.
 
Oh, and the difference between deep and shallow CIEMs is in how easy they are to put in and take out and how good the seal is. That being said, I went with a longer musician's fit and I can plop mine in one-handed on each side. Practice makes perfect.
 
Now, granted, I'd used a pair of Ultimate Ears 700's with Comply Foam Tips for a while before I bought my 4.A's. I was used to putting things in my ear and knew that customs were going to be more comfortable as well as better-sounding. But even had they been the same level of comfort I would have been fine. Not everyone would feel the same.
 
post #3410 of 7980
Quote:
Originally Posted by serious7 View Post

Are there any disadvantages in terms of quality/seal form having a CIEM on the shallow side in terms of canal length? Thanks for your prompt response =). 

In my personal opinion any improvements in sound quality and isolation would be incremental as the amount of exterior sound that reaches the ear drums diminishes significantly once you fill the bowl of our ear with something that seals and fits as well as a CIEM. I think what you can expect is a slight difference in sound signature between a shallow and deep fit as the deep fit would certainly deliver the signal closer to your eardrum. Whether or not this is an improvement is a matter of personal opinion. I can say that a shallower canal lends itself to prolonged listening sessions due to added comfort.

Brannan Mason

Here at Noble, we craft some of the finest universal and custom in-ear monitors available today. 

post #3411 of 7980
Quote:
Originally Posted by bangkokkid View Post


In my personal opinion any improvements in sound quality and isolation would be incremental as the amount of exterior sound that reaches the ear drums diminishes significantly once you fill the bowl of our ear with something that seals and fits as well as a CIEM. I think what you can expect is a slight difference in sound signature between a shallow and deep fit as the deep fit would certainly deliver the signal closer to your eardrum. Whether or not this is an improvement is a matter of personal opinion. I can say that a shallower canal lends itself to prolonged listening sessions due to added comfort.

Thanks for the clarification bangkokkid (as well as everyone else who posted). I apologize ahead of time for being so specific and paranoid with my specific questions. I just have one last one to ask. I have looked at a few CIEM's on the Heir Audio Facebook page and I wanted to know which one of these is considered to be "shallow". Best way I can tell is from a picture right? :)

 


http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=291397394247538&set=a.248190701901541.72332.248175561903055&type=3&theater

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=379699155417361&set=a.248190701901541.72332.248175561903055&type=3&theater

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=397228440331099&set=a.248190701901541.72332.248175561903055&type=3&theater

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=384048681649075&set=a.248190701901541.72332.248175561903055&type=3&theater
 

 

Thanks so much for the help again everyone!

post #3412 of 7980

Length is mostly determined by the shape of the ear, some ears bend so severely we have to cut the canals shorter than others, otherwise customers would never be able to get them in their ears.

Dr. John Moulton

Here at Noble, we craft some of the finest universal and custom in-ear monitors available today. 

post #3413 of 7980

Since we're discussing custom IEMs, yours will not look like anybody else's. Particularly as regards to the fit of the nozzle and the apparent length -- remember, everybody's ears are shaped differently.

 

I think that Heir's standard fit is just about right, particularly for the first-time customs owner who does not have special needs (increased isolation, additional risk of dislodging due to activities, etc.). If you don't know what to get, get that. I say that with the hindsight of almost a year's ownership, and with having more than one pair of custom IEMs to compare them to.

 

My advice comes from being undecided about type of fit when I bought my Heir IEMs, too, and I also worried a lot over whether I should have gotten a musician's fit or not. I got a standard fit, it's perfectly fine. 

post #3414 of 7980

I got my 8a's this week and finally got a chance to do some listening.  These are still initial observations.

 

a.  The bass, if it exists on the recording, oh boy are you going to hear it.  On some recordings I swear that I feel it.  On more than one recording I swear that I felt it in my feet.

b.  I hear things I do not recall hearing on some recordings, fine details - like triangles and background noises in the studio. Some rock recordings from the 70's and 80's are really full of studio noises  Funny that I never heard this on the STAX systems.   

c.  The best advice is found earlier in this thread where the guy was experiencing insertion problems, a bit of his ear ear was "folding" over from the position of the iem.  I really have to make sure that I am putting them in correctly and they are sitting flush.  Bottom line, stick them in good and you will be rewarded!

d. They do not appear to be overload with some recordings like the reshelled TF-10's or the Etymotics did.  They are a different animal altogether.

e. Some recordings really suck.  Some recordings that sounded bad before sound much better now (e.g. Chuck Mangione's Bellavia). 

f.  Dance Mixes of certain songs no longer sound all that great.  (thump, thump, thump) 

g. Live recordings take on a very special character, I cannot yet put it into words.  I used Joe Cocker's Mad Dogs and Englishmen and the Grateful Dead's Go to Nassau.

 

My goal was to get an earphone that sounds like a Hansen King's driven by Tenor electronics with a dCS front end.  I am certainly getting closer and the issue is most likely source and player.  Can't wait to hear these with the Centrance HiFi M8.

 

I wish there was a headphone equlivalent of, "Get in, sit down, shut up and hold on".  If you ordered these you are going to like them.

 

So far, so good.

post #3415 of 7980
Quote:
Originally Posted by pdiddypdler View Post

Is mango wood no longer an option? I remember liking someone's customs with mango wood and a dark shell...

I emailed Nancy about mango wood before I ordered my 4.A and she said that they could add it to my order, you should email Heir and see if they can do the same.

 

 

P1030341.JPG

 

pdiddypdlr, talking about these? biggrin.gif

post #3416 of 7980
Oh yes, those are stunning!

I think I'll go for mango wood when the time comes. smily_headphones1.gif
post #3417 of 7980
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiman View Post

I emailed Nancy about mango wood before I ordered my 4.A and she said that they could add it to my order, you should email Heir and see if they can do the same.

Hi chiman,

Is there additional charges incurred, since mango wood is not in the order form.
post #3418 of 7980

I ordered the 4.A so no charge, not sure if they charge for the 3 and 8.A. Nancy just told me to write in the 'notes' box that I'd like mango wood.

post #3419 of 7980

The mango wood looks like spalted tamarind in the shop page. 

post #3420 of 7980

Seems like I'm the only one who didn't opt for the wood options and picked custom art

700

 

You guys think they'll be able to get that design on my face plates?

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
This thread is locked  
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › The Wizard Appreciation Thread - Long Live the Wizard - The former HA Appreciation Thread