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post #1 of 123
12/10/11 at 4:11am
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EDIT: never mind

the hd650 with e7+e9 combo is mind blowing!!

i totally recommend itbiggrin.gif


Edited by hamoor - 12/15/11 at 6:13am

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post #2 of 123
12/10/11 at 4:18am
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why i need an expensive source and amp all that added to the fact that the hd 650 by itself is NOT CHEAP!!!!

why cant it sound good out of the box like the dr dre beats??? and most importantly, why head-fis hate dr dre beats!!!?

is it some kind of eltist behavior to hate it because it is popular and "mainstream"????


1. You said you searched the internet "up and down", so you should've known better than to drive them out of your iphone. HD 650 has a nominal impedance of 300 ohms. 

 

2. It's not elitist behavior. They just hate the people who compare Beats to their headphones. It's like I drive a Cherry QQ, you drive a Maserati and I tell you that my Cherry QQ is better than your Maserati. And I truly believe that my Cherry QQ craps all over your Maserati. As for people who actually hate the headphones, Idno. Ask them. 

 

You don't have anyone to blame but yourself. 

 

post #3 of 123
12/10/11 at 4:24am
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"HD 650 has a nominal impedance of 300 ohms. "

 

yes, i know that already.

i got a fiio e7 which is supposedly should be enough to give it some boost but even with that it is still worse than the beats.

 

i really really want to like it but i dont want to spend a lot to a better amp and source crossing my fingers that i "may" get some noticeable difference.

post #4 of 123
12/10/11 at 4:26am
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and one more question, when you say "drive" do you mean the amp allow for stronger volumes only or it does effect the sound quality?

post #5 of 123
12/10/11 at 4:29am

What aspect of sound are you looking for an improvement? Are you just looking for bass impact?

 

Don't take this the wrong way but maybe you should have started lower end (Sony XB700, Shure SRH 580, AT M50) before diving in. That way you could know what you want in headphones and made a better informed decision. I have no doubt the HD650 are great cans but without making a commitment to a full system, you may as well be throwing away your money on Beats. They are mid-fi enthusiast headphone, not a general consumer plug-into-an-ipod headphone. Also the HD650 is a open headphone which means it will not have the same bass impact (thump) as closed headphones so perhaps this wasn't the sound signature you were looking for, I'm assuming?

 

 

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Originally Posted by hamoor View Post

"HD 650 has a nominal impedance of 300 ohms. "

 

yes, i know that already.

i got a fiio e7 which is supposedly should be enough to give it some boost but even with that it is still worse than the beats.

 

i really really want to like it but i dont want to spend a lot to a better amp and source crossing my fingers that i "may" get some noticeable difference.

A portable amplifier cannot properly drive a higher impedance headphone.

 

 

My apologies if I came off as condescending.


Edited by rezel - 12/10/11 at 4:43am
post #6 of 123
12/10/11 at 4:31am
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actually the bass is the least of my concerns as i mostly play classical music.

what i want is a better quality "overall" which i didnt found in the hd650

post #7 of 123
12/10/11 at 4:32am
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"HD 650 has a nominal impedance of 300 ohms. "

 

yes, i know that already.

i got a fiio e7 which is supposedly should be enough to give it some boost but even with that it is still worse than the beats.

 

i really really want to like it but i dont want to spend a lot to a better amp and source crossing my fingers that i "may" get some noticeable difference.


The E7 isn't a very powerful amp. Besides, the HD650 isn't meant for portable use. If you have a stereo receiver around try plugging it into that. What I would advise you do is keep using your Beats now and keep your HD650's tucked in a corner. Save up some money to get a decent amplifier that can run HD650 to a good volume. It can cost from $150 - thousands of dollars. The E9 can drive the HD650, from what I recall from reading reviews. 

 

It'll be worth it. 

 

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and one more question, when you say "drive" do you mean the amp allow for stronger volumes only or it does effect the sound quality?


In simpler terms, I suppose drive means to power them properly (loud volume, full sound, no crackling/distortion). It does affect sound quality. Tube amps sound different when you switch tubes around. Some solid state amplifiers (amps like the E7) have their own distinct sound signature. There's a rather cheap, battery powered but rather big in size amplifier called the O2. You can buy them pre-made. Look it up. It has a clean sound signature and will be able to drive the HD650 properly. 


Edited by Blue Boat - 12/10/11 at 4:34am
post #8 of 123
12/10/11 at 4:46am
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actually the bass is the least of my concerns as i mostly play classical music.

what i want is a better quality "overall" which i didnt found in the hd650


Properly drive the HD650 properly and you'll see just how congested and muddy the Beats sound in comparison. Just no comparison.

post #9 of 123
12/10/11 at 4:47am
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" I suppose drive means to power them properly (loud volume, full sound, no crackling/distortion)"

but why the headphones arent  loud without a good amp???

my stock earphones of the ipod can get to ear piercing levels with the e7 while the hd is so quite?

so if i get the e9 and dock the e7 on it, would it be worth it???

 

am not asking much from the hd650. all i want is a qulaity that puts the beats to shame like i always hear on this forum.

 

 

post #10 of 123
12/10/11 at 4:49am

 

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I have no doubt the HD650 are great cans but without making a commitment to a full system, you may as well be throwing away your money on Beats. They are mid-fi enthusiast headphone, not a general consumer plug-into-an-ipod headphone. 

A portable amplifier cannot properly drive a higher impedance headphone.

 

 

post #11 of 123
12/10/11 at 4:50am
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Properly drive the HD650 properly and you'll see just how congested and muddy the Beats sound in comparison. Just no comparison.



but arent open headphones supposed to have "weaker" bass than their closed counterparts??

 

post #12 of 123
12/10/11 at 4:58am
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but arent open headphones supposed to have "weaker" bass than their closed counterparts??

 


More bass != better bass

 

The HD650 will have deeper bass, it will also have much more detail and clarity compared to the Beats.  You picked a bad can to plug and play with an ipod...what you are doing is like buying a Ferrari and filling up the gas tank with 60% Octane then you argue that gas is gas, it is all the same when it obviously isn't.

 

IMO, you didn't do good research before buying a new can.

 

post #13 of 123
12/10/11 at 4:58am

Not necessarily. But true in most cases. 

 

Why some headphones need a good amplifier? In this case, the HD650 has 300 ohms of nominal impedance.

It's got something to do with V = RI or V = ZI but I'll leave it to the more educated people to explain that.

Generally speaking, the higher the impedance, the more difficult it is to drive.

 

Your Ipod should be able to drive anything up to 40 ohms nicely. 

Weaker portable amps like E7, D-Zero, PA2V2 should be able to drive anything up to 80 ohms nicely.

Anything above that, you would need a desktop amp or a really powerful portable amplifier to power it properly.

 

Of course these are just estimates and there are exceptions. 

 

 

post #14 of 123
12/10/11 at 5:00am

 

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but arent open headphones supposed to have "weaker" bass than their closed counterparts??

 


 

Okay, bass is only one part of your sound. The bass on the Beats actually cuts into the 'mids' of the sound. To give you a visual idea, here's a graph of the laughable frequency response of the Beats.

graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=1383&graphID[]=853

I lack the technical knowledge to properly explain but I'm sure another Head-Fi'er can give you a proper reason why.


Edited by rezel - 12/10/11 at 5:02am
post #15 of 123
12/10/11 at 5:03am

Hmm. The bass response drops sharply at 30Hz. So there's no reason for Beats not to have sub-bass.... right?

 

 

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