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The funny thing is many western country is as bad as China in terms of many things. China is no where near perfect, but that can be said to pretty much any country in the world too, mass media just love to cover problems in China and censor the one in their own country. Every country is doing the same, it is just standard practice for the mass media.

Now that STAX have said they are not going to stop production in Japan and it shouldn't have any effects on the product quality, I think it is time to stop arguing if buying products from China is ethical or not.
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Am I correct that the Stax transaction took place on December 7th??????  In the USA, this is not a good indication? 

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The funny thing is many western country is as bad as China in terms of many things. China is no where near perfect, but that can be said to pretty much any country in the world too, mass media just love to cover problems in China and censor the one in their own country. Every country is doing the same, it is just standard practice for the mass media.
Now that STAX have said they are not going to stop production in Japan and it shouldn't have any effects on the product quality, I think it is time to stop arguing if buying products from China is ethical or not.


No its not ethical when they pay workers less than a dollar a day, and they have to pay for their own medical care and schooling for their children.

 

post #319 of 330

Not a good news for indigenous electrostatic headphone developments in China. Instead of investing in what is already developed locally (could have invested to re-design the Jade and build it right) , they made a short cut and bought Stax. popcorn.gif

 

 

 

Maybe they will offer Stax electrostatic speakers soon (it makes sense to produce ES speakers in China, not so much for headphones).regular_smile%20.gif

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No its not ethical when they pay workers less than a dollar a day, and they have to pay for their own medical care and schooling for their children.

 



And do you know the standard of living over there?  In Hong Kong, food is generally at least half price compared to Australia, clothes are definitely much cheaper too, it's the ratio of wages vs cost of living.  I'm in no way saying that it justifies the poor working condition but if so many western companies are heading to china to secure their profits, who is it to blame?

post #321 of 330

Some recent stories I've heard on the China economy is that it's a worker's market right now.  Many workers will quit their job without a second thought, especially in the booming regions, since many industries are still facing a worker shortage.

 

Granted, things may be changing rapidly due to cooling European and American demand, but I think by most measures, with the exception of air quality, the standard of living for your average Chinese citizen has gone up significantly over the last 10-15 years.

 

Also, I haven't heard of Chinese manufacturing workers getting paid less than a dollar a day, which is probably the type of worker most of these discussions refer to.  Here is a quote based on a summary of the March 2011 report from the BLS on "China’s employment and compensation costs in manufacturing through 2008".  I wouldn't be surprised if these rates increased since 2008, even taking into account the global slowdown, given China's 10-30% nominal GDP growth rate.

 

http://bls.gov/opub/mlr/2011/03/art4full.pdf

http://www.ventureoutsource.com/contract-manufacturing/2011-china-manufacturing-hourly-labor-rate-compensation-costs-ems

 

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A 2011 report published by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) takes a thorough look at hourly manufacturing labor rates in China. While there has been a lot of demand for stats on China’s manufacturing sector, particularly comparable labor cost measurements, compiling accurate data has proven challenging for most analysts given China’s non-traditional practice of gathering and reporting the data is not typically recognized by research and analyst peers in the international community.

 

Given this difficulty, it can take years to compile a reasonably accurate profile for hourly labor rate information on China’s manufacturing sector.

 

Hence, this report represents findings up to 2008 and documents and analyzes changes in China’s manufacturing employment and hourly labor compensation costs on the basis of official data through 2008 and anecdotal reports from China since then whereas China’s manufacturing employment continued to grow from a total of 97.91 million at the end of 2007 to 99.01 million at year end 2008.

 

Though manufacturing workers in China are earning more than ever before, average hourly compensation costs were only $1.36 in 2008.

 

China’s hourly compensation costs remain far below those of many of its East Asian neighbors like Japan ($27.80) and Taiwan ($8.68), but are roughly on par with those of others like the Philippines ($1.68).

 


Edited by Elysian - 12/19/11 at 6:21pm
post #322 of 330

Actually, the labor cost can be obtained, you just have to ask the right people or companies. I used to go to Suzhou where the manufacturing companies are owned by western,  Japanese and Taiwanese companies such as Siemens, Panasonic, Asus, and many others.
 

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Some recent stories I've heard on the China economy is that it's a worker's market right now.  Many workers will quit their job without a second thought, especially in the booming regions, since many industries are still facing a worker shortage.

 

Granted, things may be changing rapidly due to cooling European and American demand, but I think by most measures, with the exception of air quality, the standard of living for your average Chinese citizen has gone up significantly over the last 10-15 years.

 

Also, I haven't heard of Chinese manufacturing workers getting paid less than a dollar a day, which is probably the type of worker most of these discussions refer to.  Here is a quote based on a summary of the March 2011 report from the BLS on "China’s employment and compensation costs in manufacturing through 2008".  I wouldn't be surprised if these rates increased since 2008, even taking into account the global slowdown, given China's 10-30% nominal GDP growth rate.

 

http://bls.gov/opub/mlr/2011/03/art4full.pdf

http://www.ventureoutsource.com/contract-manufacturing/2011-china-manufacturing-hourly-labor-rate-compensation-costs-ems

 

 



 

post #323 of 330

Don't know if you watch the news but the value of human life in China is scary..

One of them was a truck driver who got over a child and after hitting him he run him over again to make sure he was dead because the insurance is to expensive so instead he paid the parents the funeral..People seeng the boy on the floor just ignored him "ignored by 18 passers-by" .. In a space of two weeks there were 2 incidents like this. What this says about the country..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2052815/Xiong-Maoke-5-dies-latest-horrific-Chinese-traffic-accident.html

 

 

 


Edited by BoogieWoogie - 12/19/11 at 7:34pm
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Don't know if you watch the news but the value of human life in China is scary..

One of them was a truck driver who got over a child and after hitting him he run him over again to make sure he was dead because the insurance is to expensive so instead he paid the parents the funeral..People seeng the boy on the floor just ignored him "ignored by 18 passers-by" .. In a space of two weeks there were 2 incidents like this. What this says about the country..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2052815/Xiong-Maoke-5-dies-latest-horrific-Chinese-traffic-accident.html

 

 

 



Depends on the time of day, I guess.

http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/videos/chinese-crowd-lifts-suv-to-rescue-run-over-child-in-wenzhou.html

post #325 of 330

There are other countries in Asia where the bus drivers are instructed to do the same. Its cheaper than to pay their hospital bill, out patient care and lost wages.

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Depends on the time of day, I guess.

http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/videos/chinese-crowd-lifts-suv-to-rescue-run-over-child-in-wenzhou.html


That's a great video but I like this one more.

 

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That's a great video but I like this one more.

 



I was expecting flying kicks, kung-fu chops, nunchuks swinging, instead of chairs flailing.

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That's a great video but I like this one more.

 

A little mob violence to go along with the child murder.

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post #329 of 330

In America you can be sued (sometimes successfully) if a thief is injured in the process of trying to rob you. The laws about using weapons on said thieves are also different and sometimes rather stupid from state to state. You can be prosecuted for example for shooting a thief in the back if the court finds he was trying to escape. In most cases it is safer from your own legal perspective to kill the thief outright. That's just how it is. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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As we've gone way off topic, I'm going to close this up.

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