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post #166 of 330
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

 

I should add there are quality audio products coming from China too, hey I bought my custom IEM from there instead of JH or UE, and I ordered a Musiland a few days ago.

 

I don't want to make a blanket statement like everything in China is bad, anyway good luck Stax.

 

 


Not saying everything is bad I'm sure there are enough companies in China who treat their employees well and put out very good products. I'm just sick of all the worker/human rights issues you see filtering out in the tech press and the less then admirable attitudes I see from bloggers who very bluntly say they couldn't care less about someone dying in an industrial accident. As long as they can buy their crappy gadgets for cheap they're happy. I know I'm coming across as overly aggressive but it's very hard for me not to be upset. When people are being used, especially poor people, I become rather irritated. It's nothing against you kiteki I just hate the system that feeds the monstrous machine.

 


Edited by DigitalFreak - 12/9/11 at 11:41pm
post #167 of 330

It's very hard to imagine anything like the current line being maintained by a move to China, but that doesn't mean it can be done. It's not that products from China are good or bad overall, but they can be either or anywhere in-between. There are many questions at the moment, but no answers.

post #168 of 330
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Originally Posted by sidel View Post

Found it myself

 

http://www.edifier.com/sce2009/news/viewthread.php?ID=1535

 

the transaction price of 1.2 billion yen (according to December 6, 2011 Exchange 100 yen exchange 8.1411 yuan exchange rate, equivalent to 9.7693 million yuan)

 

 

regular_smile%20.gif  1.2b * .081411 = 97.693m

Someone screwed up the math, just like I've been saying.  It's 15 million USD.


1.2亿日元 is 120 million yen not 1.2 billion yen

 

post #169 of 330

Everyone keeps rabbiting on about the reduction in quality which will ensue by moving the Stax production from Japan to China but why not cut the new owners some slack and see how it all pans out.  I guess I'm prejudiced as I'm typing this on an iMac and in the same household have an iPad2 an iPhone 4 and a Macbook Pro.  For sure design may be in the USA but all manufactured in China and I'm more than happy with the quality.

post #170 of 330

Nowadays most, not all, but most companies only think about one thing and that's making huge profits, if there's an item they do that isn't making these huge profits, they won't think twice about discontinuing it. My fear is that this might happen with the SR-009's and possibly the SR-007's which is why I placed an order for the SR-009's yesterday. 

post #171 of 330
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post

which is why I placed an order for the SR-009's yesterday. 



Same here. But to be fair, you WERE planning on buying them eventually anyway, right? That's what happened in my case: this announcement just sped up the buying process for me.

post #172 of 330
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Same here. But to be fair, you WERE planning on buying them eventually anyway, right? That's what happened in my case: this announcement just sped up the buying process for me.


Hi MuppetFace,
YES I was going to in March, I have the BHSE on order and was sending the remaining payment in January but because I only had the money to get one or the other until March, this news prompted me into getting the SR-009's now. I've sent Justin an email explaining this and that I'll be sending the remaining payment for the BHSE in March. There is a possibility that this Chinese company might build the Stax headphones to the same quality, but even if they did it still wouldn't feel IMO that I had genuine Stax headphones.

                                                  Dave.

 

P.S.  I'd wrote in one of my posts, this news prompted me into getting the SR-009's now, where as I won't be able to get hold of the BHSE until March, meaning I'll have nothing to drive the SR-009's until then. Some might think this was a naive thing to do but I wanted the Stax headphones I'm getting to have been made in Japan.

 

 

post #173 of 330
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Originally Posted by DigitalFreak View Post


Not saying everything is bad I'm sure there are enough companies in China who treat their employees well and put out very good products. I'm just sick of all the worker/human rights issues you see filtering out in the tech press and the less then admirable attitudes I see from bloggers who very bluntly say they couldn't care less about someone dying in an industrial accident. As long as they can buy their crappy gadgets for cheap they're happy. I know I'm coming across as overly aggressive but it's very hard for me not to be upset. When people are being used, especially poor people, I become rather irritated. It's nothing against you kiteki I just hate the system that feeds the monstrous machine.

 


Yes people always quote Apple products as being quality produced in China - In their manufacturing subcontractors plants the workforce seem to be highly pressurised and forced to work really unreasonable hours.  There have been numerous suicides and strikes which are I believe are unknown in China.  I dont suppose Apple care that much so long as it does not hurt their bottom line.  I for one dont want to buy products made in this way where people are being exploited.  I'm sure many of the Chinese only submit to this type of treatment as their other option is poverty and trying to scrape a living off the land. 

 

post #174 of 330
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post

P.S.  I'd wrote in one of my posts, this news prompted me into getting the SR-009's now, where as I won't be able to get hold of the BHSE until March, meaning I'll have nothing to drive the SR-009's until then. Some might think this was a naive thing to do but I wanted the Stax headphones I'm getting to have been made in Japan.


Makes sense to me. I bought my O2 Mk1 before I had anything to drive it with as well. I saw a deal and I snatched them up. The amps aren't going anywhere, frankly it wouldn't even matter that much if Stax completely shut down their amp line. The basic GES is about the same price as the midrange Stax amps. It's the headphones that matter.

post #175 of 330
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Makes sense to me. I bought my O2 Mk1 before I had anything to drive it with as well. I saw a deal and I snatched them up. The amps aren't going anywhere, frankly it wouldn't even matter that much if Stax completely shut down their amp line. The basic GES is about the same price as the midrange Stax amps. It's the headphones that matter.

 

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Hi MuppetFace,
YES I was going to in March, I have the BHSE on order and was sending the remaining payment in January but because I only had the money to get one or the other until March, this news prompted me into getting the SR-009's now. I've sent Justin an email explaining this and that I'll be sending the remaining payment for the BHSE in March. There is a possibility that this Chinese company might build the Stax headphones to the same quality, but even if they did it still wouldn't feel IMO that I had genuine Stax headphones.

                                                  Dave.

 

P.S.  I'd wrote in one of my posts, this news prompted me into getting the SR-009's now, where as I won't be able to get hold of the BHSE until March, meaning I'll have nothing to drive the SR-009's until then. Some might think this was a naive thing to do but I wanted the Stax headphones I'm getting to have been made in Japan.

 

 

 

Yeah, I agree. The SRM-717 pops up every now and then in the sales forums and can be had for about a grand. If you're really desperate, the SRM-323S and WEE will also drive them OK.

 

If the SR-009 disappears from retailers, good luck finding one on the sales forum for a reasonable price.

 

post #176 of 330
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Originally Posted by complin View Post


Yes people always quote Apple products as being quality produced in China - In their manufacturing subcontractors plants the workforce seem to be highly pressurised and forced to work really unreasonable hours.  There have been numerous suicides and strikes which are I believe are unknown in China.  I dont suppose Apple care that much so long as it does not hurt their bottom line.  I for one dont want to buy products made in this way where people are being exploited.  I'm sure many of the Chinese only submit to this type of treatment as their other option is poverty and trying to scrape a living off the land. 

 



Nice to know you're on my side but you forgot to throw in some other names such as Hewlett Packard Sony Nokia HTC Samsung Google Microsoft and the list goes on and on. Although I do agree they're as guilty as everyone else I'm not interested in bashing Apple for the sake of bashing Apple. If you are there's plenty of Android forums on the net that bash Apple over Foxxconn but seem to fall silent on the fact that Android phones are also manufactured by Foxxconn. I'm only interested in society as a whole waking up and realizing cheap manufactured crap isn't worth someone winding up in the grave at age 26. An for the record yes I do include smartphones such as Nokia iPhone and all Android powered phones in my list of cheap crap that isn't worth it. If I'm reading more in your post then you meant then my apologies. In the past when I posted concerns involving past abuses I read about on tech forums it seemed the only people who listened were the Android supporters. Unfortunately they only agreed with me because they hated Apple and used it as a method to troll Apple fan boys. Once I bought up the same concerns involving their platform of choice I lost all support.


Edited by DigitalFreak - 12/10/11 at 3:05am
post #177 of 330
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Originally Posted by HelloHell View Post

To all who whine about "Made in China": you think HIFIMAN is junk then? FYI, all HIFIMAN products are designed, marketed and manufactured by Chinese.

Well I seem to remember when they first released products there were lots of issues, particularly quality and durability.  I believe these issues have gradually been sorted over time but cant comment on how good or bad they are or their service.  As they have a dealer network now rather than just direct sales I would expect this to have helped.

However; they are no Edifier, HIFIMAN seem to be much more like Stax a boutique manufacturer ?  I don't have any facts how big they are but they give the impression of being quite a small company.  I would guess a substantial part of their product is subcontracted to other Chinese manufactures like Stax do in Japan.

 

 

 

post #178 of 330
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Originally Posted by Elysian View Post

Well, this could be a good opportunity for Head-Fiers to reach out to Edifier's executive team, congratulate them on acquiring the Rolls-Royce of the headphone world, and to let them know that while we think it's great to have cheaper and more portable electrostats around, we also feel that it's important to keep the quality and performance of the top-of-the-line products (O2, 009).

 

Now would be the time for the international community to make a positive statement to the Edifier team, and to have constructive and open communications going forward.  They have a lot of westerners on their management team, too.

http://www.edifier-international.com/about/team


I really cant see how the culture of the two companies can mesh together they are like chalk and cheese!

Best thing would be to leave Stax intact in Japan to do the R&D something like Honda do with their car manufacturing.  Perhaps continue manufacturing the top one or two models there but move everything else to China.

Stax is just not mass market like Edifier, particularly the range of products they have at the moment.  I just cant see how this can work

 

 

post #179 of 330
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post



Stax is a traded company?


I don't know whether it has stocks traded on open-to-public markets/stock exchanges, but it's a "limited"... 

I don't know exactly how you trade the equity of a limited in Japan or in the US, but being it a limited, the concept stands still: you own the equity, even if you bought it on sale, you just own it...


Edited by Edoardo - 12/10/11 at 3:35am
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regular_smile%20.gif  1.2b * .81411 = 97.693m

Someone screwed up the math, just like I've been saying.  It's 15 million USD.


1.2亿日元 is 120 billion yen not 1.2 billion yen

 


So what is it, 1.5M, 15M or 150M USD?

 

 

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