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post #106 of 312

This looks like a easy solution for 009.

post #107 of 312

Maybe Pete Millett will put together a stat amp someday...


Edited by rgs9200m - 4/17/12 at 5:11pm
post #108 of 312

MSSHV? wink_face.gif

 

(Millett Starving Stat High Voltage)

post #109 of 312

Less than a month and half before units ship out going by Cavalli AUdio's website!!

 

Looking forward to more impressions and head to heads in due time.

 

post #110 of 312

Ha! Well, the Pinnacle is one of those magical components that come along from time to time, so I was just wondering if it would be much of a leap to a stat amp. Maybe without all the bells and whistles of the Pinnacle,

just a gain control knob a power switch and one XLR/SE input and headphone output.


Edited by rgs9200m - 4/18/12 at 3:06pm
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Pete Millett is a great guy who knows his stuff :)

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post #112 of 312

Heh, I was just wondering to myself yesterday why Pete hasn't released any stat amps yet.

post #113 of 312

Does anyone have the exact dimensions of the Liquid Lightning (at least L + W to the nearest quarter inch)? Thanks in advance.

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Does anyone have the exact dimensions of the Liquid Lightning (at least L + W to the nearest quarter inch)? Thanks in advance.

 

It was in the original review post.  17.0” x 14.25” x 3.5” (43 cm x 36 cm x 9 cm).

post #115 of 312

When I first saw the Peak announced I thought it would be a stat amp as I figured it was a play on words on "peak to peak."  Then I saw the Pinnacle's price tag and I thought it had to be a stat amp, as the only buyers in the headphone amp market who would purchase a 10K amp would be stat users.  

 

Apex Zenith anyone?

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It was in the original review post.  17.0” x 14.25” x 3.5” (43 cm x 36 cm x 9 cm).

 

Thank you sir for pointing that out!

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I know that people here and some designers are saying that well-designed solid state is every bit as good a tube designs, but IME, after trying, say, RSA Apache vs. B52,

along with other tube vs. solid state comparisons, there still is something special about tube sound to my hearing that is just hard to define.

 

And with Stats, when I had my original Stax SR007 phones with the tubed 007t amp, I was pretty amazed with what it did right, with an immediacy to vocals that was so intoxicating.

I remember when I first got that Stax combo, I put on a Donavan CD and hear the vocals like never before, with speakers or anything (maybe my --dear departed-- Apogee Stage Ribbon speakers at the time were close, but w/o the detail or intimacy). Even though the 007t was kind of weak in the bass, I could live with that because of what it did so right with the images and inner substance and texture and liquidity and delicacy.

And the bass wasn't flabby or anything, it did have nice quality and detail, is just didn't have much slam.  A lot of people put down the 007t, but it did do some magic with the SR007 phones.

 

So I wonder if committing to solid state with the LL bothers anyone else who loves tubes. 

 


Edited by rgs9200m - 4/19/12 at 8:30am
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I know that people here and some designers are saying that well-designed solid state is every bit as good a tube designs, but IME, after trying, say, RSA Apache vs. B52,

along with other tube vs. solid state comparisons, there still is something special about tube sound to my hearing that is just hard to define.

 

So I wonder if committing to solid state with the LL bothers anyone else who loves tubes. 

 

The CLL has tube sound despite being solid state.  At least, that was the conclusion I reached.

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I once tried to talk Pete into designing a 'stat amp but I can't remember the outcome of that conversation since I was rather drunk at the time...  redface.gif

 

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I know that people here and some designers are saying that well-designed solid state is every bit as good a tube designs, but IME, after trying, say, RSA Apache vs. B52,

along with other tube vs. solid state comparisons, there still is something special about tube sound to my hearing that is just hard to define.

 

And with Stats, when I had my original Stax SR007 phones with the tubed 007t amp, I was pretty amazed with what it did right, with an immediacy to vocals that was so intoxicating.

I remember when I first got that Stax combo, I put on a Donavan CD and hear the vocals like never before, with speakers or anything (maybe my --dear departed-- Apogee Stage Ribbon speakers at the time were close, but w/o the detail or intimacy). Even though the 007t was kind of weak in the bass, I could live with that because of what it did so right with the images and inner substance and texture and liquidity and delicacy.

And the bass wasn't flabby or anything, it did have nice quality and detail, is just didn't have much slam.  A lot of people put down the 007t, but it did do some magic with the SR007 phones.

 

 

The 007t isn't a bad amp really but the 007 deserves so much better.  The 007t is essentially just a T1 with a doubled up output stage and simpler PSU so it works just fine for the Lambdas which were the intended partner back in 1987.  The Omegas are a much trickier load to drive and the 007t simply hasn't got the guts. 

 

As for SS vs. Tubes, you are comparing apples vs. oranges vs. coconuts vs. grapes so there is no chance to have any meaningful comparison.  Compare something like the Atmaspere S-30 and the Firstwatt F5 (both around 30w/8ohm but work just fine for headphones) and you'll find the "tube sound" has often very little to do with the tubes...

post #120 of 312

Hey everyone, well I'm happy to declare that the Stax 007t/2 amp is great on the 009s. It took some playing around with different power cords (which made a big difference to get solid transparent bass and sweet but not piercing highs--and finally settled on my Shunyata Anaconda Helix), but ALL IS WELL!

I heard the WES this weekend (albeit a totally different system) which did grab the 009s with great grip and produced a prodigious and awesome bass (almost a speaker like impression, like no other headphone experience), but I'm not sure if this is what I want (or what I'm used to) with headphones. And there was some glare in vocals there, so on the whole, I think I could become fatigued with with this sound. It's a matter of taste. But the WES produced, for the lack of a better term, a big concert hall feeling, like I was in another space, a big venue.

 

OTHO, with my trusty old Stax 007t amp, this is what I was used to with my 007 phones (bought in 1999, sold several years later due to comfort issues; no comfort problems at all with the 009s by the way).

As I said in the earlier post, it is intimate with detail that is delicate and beautiful and not bombastic. It's a smaller, up front sound, not cavernous or huge. I just was testing out my good old Time/Life

classic rock CDs, and damn, the Supremes and the Four Tops and the Kinks were right there, with vocal texture to die for, continuous and natural, and guitars and strings were full of un-amplified life.

Diana Ross's voice is sooo hard to get right (and recorded in 1965-70 of course), especially with headphones (and speakers), with some shriek-factor, and It's kind of a test for me of audio systems, and the 009s get it right without pain or over the top glare.

 

The 007t amp sounds, sort of, like there is no amp.

 

The sonics are similar to what I loved about the 007 phones, but with more grace and without the touch of grain the 007s had, without the basic flatness to the sound of the 007 phones, or maybe the total lack of depth with those phones that was the cost of intimacy. The 009s preserve the truth of tonality of the 007s (and add more of it), and also give a reasonable feeling of space and layering, like I can hear the vocals in front, and the drums behind and place the guitars or backing strings. Wonderful. Like I said, I did hear more staging and depth with the WES system, but it's not something I need, and, overall, I prefer the just plain-jane natural sound of the 007t amp, and it is a tonality I just don't question or an entire listening experience that leaves me feeling I am missing something or wanting something more.

 

The WES makes the 009s sound profound, and maybe brings more out of them than was meant to be, and perhaps that's where the critical mentions of brightness is coming from from. I was looking for a better 007 phone, and that's what I got. And I can't stop listening.


Edited by rgs9200m - 4/19/12 at 11:34am
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