Originally Posted by NewForce
No wonder.. but since you'd know the logic, I couldn't understand why you're basing off with just the techinical facts. do you thing they're useful for your logics? Fyi, programming + digital + techinical specs does not add up to a good sound.
No, I don't think we need another thread for such discussion, since we're coming from different understanding. Basically you can continue sticked with technical theory facts, where I continue to enjoy my practical experience. Whether you are right or I am right it just doesn't matter or to be bother with. That's good things about this world, we can choose to have different opinions to sticked with.
I agree. And all that matters is that we both enjoy our music. But I was trying to make the distinction between "hearing a difference" and "hearing a difference because of a lossless format". That is all. You very well can be hearing a difference, in fact, you probably are. But the point was that it was not the lossless that is causing the difference.
The most common problem, as we discussed is "ripping" the cd. But here's the catch. When you rip with any software, it first "rips" the audio to an uncompressed file. The lossless compression will be an EXACT copy of the file when it is decompressed. But if you are in fact hearing a difference between say a CD and lossless file, it isn't the lossless file. The difference would have happened during the rip to the uncompressed file. That's what I want to make clear. Now, going back, that is a result of hardware, for example the cd-drive, or software, for example ripping with EAC. Neither of those have an effect on the quality of converting a file to lossless. If you lost quality at those stages the quality is gone and you'll never get it back. But when you make the file a lossless file, you are getting exactly what you put into it.
Perhaps that makes it more clear? I would use ripping software that does multiple pass error correction. This should resolve the issue. Unless the disc is really scratched, but that is an issue in itself. Also, most people don't realize that every single time you play a cd on a stand alone cd player, there may be different errors, and the player is designed to mask those errors by different methods, but that is because the CD has to be read fast enough to playback in real time. But the point is, it is the hardware causing the errors. Depending on your hardware, it might actually be MORE accurate to rip a song to your computer and make it a lossless file than it would be to play the song back on your car or home cd player, because the computer can make multiple passes to remove all of the errors, because it will rip the cd slowly.
But again, none of this really matters for the point I was making. The differences you hear might be real, but it isn't because of lossless. What you put into a lossless file will be identical to what you put out. A good test of this is to compare a song ripped to an uncompressed file and then manually convert that to a lossless flac file. Those files are then identical in sound quality, and you can't tell a difference in a double blind test. If you are comparing the CD playback to the lossless playback, depending on your cd player there might be errors and the lossless would actually sound better... :-) If you're computer cd-rom is bad or low quality and your software doesn't do multi pass error correction you might get files that sound worse than a good cd player. But again, that would be hardware problems or software settings, not the lossless compression.
Anyhow, I would stress that everyone should enjoy the music first and foremost. :-) That's what all this technology is for right? :-P
Edited by luisdent - 12/14/12 at 11:10pm