Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › TDK BA200 - Appreciation Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

TDK BA200 - Appreciation Thread - Page 43

post #631 of 1374
Quote:
Originally Posted by Techno Kid View Post

 

 

Whats the IEM called if you don't mind me asking?

 

 

 

TDK LoR magnetic armature (MA) TH-ECMA600BK

post #632 of 1374
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

 

 

The SM3 is definitely a great BA and more than capable, but I actually like the BA200 more than the SM3. I just feel that the BA200 has a more airier and natural sound than the SM3. The SM3 was almost too much of a good thing to my ears. Actually, I like the SM2 more than I liked the SM3. I needed to be further away from the stage than right up on it (which is the way I felt when listening to the SM3). But make no mistake, it's a great earphone IMO.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

I wouldn't really consider the ba200 mid-forward.  It is more balanced than most at the price range.  in face, i'd say it is 'the' most balanced at the price.  I guess you could call it mid-forward because the treble is just slightly less airy and neutral than flat, but i don't find that the mids "stick out" at all, but rather sit in balance with the rest of the frequencies. :)

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Annafrancesca View Post

Guess I am not the only one who finds the BA200 more natural than the SM3s smily_headphones1.gif i too find the SM3 a little too good to be natural. They enhance the music, in a good way. Much like a good concert audio system. The Ba200 sounds like an un-amped performance...unplugged

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post

I like the BA200 more than the GR07 MKII.  Currently, I'd peg it as my favorite universal IEM under $500.  It's as close to possessing an HD600-like "seductive" midrange as I've heard in a universal IEM.  The RE262 previously held this title for me.. but I find the BA200's midrange even better.  The BA200s midrange separation and openness sounds more natural and lifelike, to my ears, than the GR07 MKII's midrange.  The GR07 has a slightly more textured, natural bass response that quite round and full.. but the BA200 comes very close to that.  The GR07's treble sound a bit uneven and harsh compared to the BA200's smoother, more linear treble.. even though it's laid back more than the GR07's treble.

 

What I like about the BA200's unique sound is the subtle, analog-inspired warmth combined with the slightly thin note weight.  Don't mistake the 'thin note weight' as "thin sounding".. no way.. the BA200 has excellent dynamics & soundstage proportion.  No "wall of sound"-type presentation here.  This blend gives way to an airy, HD600-inspired midrange that's very inviting (though the BA200's mids are a little warmer than the HD600's mids).  I haven't heard the SM3, but having read plenty of reviews about it, I sense it possesses a fairly high degree of note thickness that makes it unique (but, at times, not always ideal for some genres of music).

 

I like the smooth, laid back nature of the BA200's treble too.. plenty of detail.. but it's not in your face about it.  I facilitates long term listening quite well.  Run it through a clean, transparent portable amp (like the UHA-6S MKII) and you'll hear the treble detail, separation, and extension better.

 

Perhaps there's no excess forward treble like SM3 has make Techno Kid think TDK BA200 sounded mid forward.
 
If anyone used to see many reviews and hear many IEM yourself, when he will noticed when IEM with sparkling treble are classified as hi-fi sound, electronic sound, ear piercing or excessive treble may cause ear fatigue in long term. Even so with the remarks like that, some people may be still enjoying with that type of sound. For that we have to called it "Personal preferable sound".
 
For info, I've came from Audiophile background. I came across the evergreen Roger LS3/5a speakers which are highly recommended by lots of Audiophile fans all around the world. This spec speaker are design based on BBC human voice monitoring spec, so when listening to voice and strings performance it sounded so natural and sweet on the mid while there's no much of excess/extended treble and bass.
 
I came across someone initially intended selling off his Rogers LS3/5a in order for keeping his other multi-thousands dollars B&W speaker. But in the end, it was the BMW speaker he sold. Not that B&W was bad. It has very good excess/extended treble and bass, but the problem is it does not have possess great musical quality that one would expecting listening to all kind of music/recording and for long hours. What all it does was just making every single contents sounded powerful, attractive. But all that sounded not natural or clean. It's more like a V-curve sound.
 
Think TDK BA200 just like Roger LS3/5a. It may not have the full capablibilty of Roger LS3/5a legendary sound, but it sounded so musical & natural across all voice and instruments play making you enjoying and listening to pure music much better than lots of IEM, including those top-tier IEM. This is the most essential elements for listening to MUSIC. Anything more than that, to me it's called un-natural.
post #633 of 1374

More information on the TDK MA600 (scroll to the bottom of the page).

 

http://www.tdk-media.jp/tjbbe01/bbe31300.html

post #634 of 1374
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

TDK LoR magnetic armature (MA) TH-ECMA600BK

Omg.. 60 ohms? What are you gonna use to drive it ericp10?

post #635 of 1374
Quote:
Originally Posted by NewForce View Post

Omg.. 60 ohms? What are you gonna use to drive it ericp10?

 

Fiio E9/E10 combo or a portable amp with the iPODs. But I read somewhere that it's designed to conserve DAPs power supply. Well see. 

post #636 of 1374

Great to know that. I'm expecting to see a good review of it from you.

 

gs1000.gif

post #637 of 1374
Quote:
Originally Posted by NewForce View Post

 

Perhaps there's no excess forward treble like SM3 has make Techno Kid think TDK BA200 sounded mid forward.
 

 

SM3 has excess forward treble confused_face_2.gif The SM3 never sounds fatiguing and actually has proper treble sparkle, If anything, some people call them too polite because it's not sparkling enough. What people complain about the SM3 is their unique presentation and sometimes too aggressive lower mids, though i don't necessarily agree on the mids part.

 

I personally think the BA200 could use more air and also cymbal could definitely shimmer a little more with it. This is possibly due to the BA200's limited extension and oversmoothened treble, though many IEMs also suffer from this. Note that I am overly nitpicking, but the flagship electrostats and orthos pull off a more proper treble sparkle and extension and they don't sound harsh. They are really great for $135, but sometimes it sounds as if the BA200 is the best thing since sliced bread (I should remind myself again that this is head-fi tongue.gif)


Edited by glac1er - 1/11/13 at 12:10am
post #638 of 1374

NewForce, yes I did say the BA200 sounds mid forward because its does to me.  There's a difference between mid-centric and mid forward, the TDK is so good at isolating the vocal that its gives the impression of a forward sounding midrange.  Now its sounds more mid forward with some music more than others but the BA200 isn't a mid-centric IEM like the SM3 or UM3X are.


Edited by Techno Kid - 1/11/13 at 12:57am
post #639 of 1374
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

 

 

 

TDK LoR magnetic armature (MA) TH-ECMA600BK

 

They look just like the BA700 which is there cheapest BA based IEM, but I know that these aren't and they just share the same housing.  I'll be looking forward to your impressions of them.

 

After looking into the TDK LoR it looks like the might be just a different name for what was going to be called the BA700.  The LoR is the same price at around US $71 so they are the lower end BA and ClieOS when I asked him how the BA700 sounded he said its not as good as the BA100 which I didn't think was anything special when I heard a pair of those.  These still might be a different pair and the price makes me think they're a lower end armature.


Edited by Techno Kid - 1/11/13 at 1:56am
post #640 of 1374
I think most of the TDK products handled by Imation are now called LoR. This includes the newer IEMs, flash drives and memory cards. And Techno, you're right, they look like the BA700 concept with the adjustable ear padding.
post #641 of 1374
Terminology 101, i still have a lot to learn. This is how I would describe the two, again, I am a newbie, but I wanted to give it a shot.

Mid forward = mids are pushed center stage while bass and treble extend well...FR graphs usually flat but the way mids are presented bring vocals into the spotlight. Ex: SM3, BA200, UM3X

Mid Centric = reversed U shape Fr graph usually with laid back treble, but often with good bass response. Ex. Spider Real voice, RE262.

Am I on the right track?
post #642 of 1374
Quote:
Originally Posted by Annafrancesca View Post

Terminology 101, i still have a lot to learn. This is how I would describe the two, again, I am a newbie, but I wanted to give it a shot.

Mid forward = mids are pushed center stage while bass and treble extend well...FR graphs usually flat but the way mids are presented bring vocals into the spotlight. Ex: SM3, BA200, UM3X

Mid Centric = reversed U shape Fr graph usually with laid back treble, but often with good bass response. Ex. Spider Real voice, RE262.

Am I on the right track?

 

Yeah I'd say that's a good way of looking at it.

 

There's some IEM's that are hard to call them just mid forward or mid-centric like the SM3 and UM3X because they can both sound either way sometimes .  Both are mid forward for sure but from time to time the SM3 can sound pretty mid-centric, it depends on the recording and also the source player.  On my Fuze the SM3 is a bit more balanced with the mids forward but not sounding mid-centric but on my Sony player the mid are brought out a bit more to where they sound more mid-centric especially with my FiiO E6 on EQ 2.

post #643 of 1374
I would say they are true to the recording and source. That's probably why they change so much. But then again they add a bit of color in the music, so...i don't know. smily_headphones1.gif

Mid centric/mid forward/mind boggling smily_headphones1.gif

If I can't describe 'em, I'll just enjoy 'em smily_headphones1.gif
post #644 of 1374

I hear yeah, who cares as long as it sounds good. L3000.gif

post #645 of 1374
^^Amen to that my brother.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › TDK BA200 - Appreciation Thread