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AccessoryJack or buy it from amazon japan and use a forwarding service. It's not available in the US...sadly. 

 

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where can i buy the shure LE at?



 

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Thread Starter 

I have tried lots of cables for the red 535s and for me the baldur mk2 has the best synergy, bearing in mind that the stock cable is pretty good in its own right.

 

The 3.5mm quad wired i/c, I had made. I am actually using a specially made quad wired baldur mk2 IEM cable that sounds terrific but sadly no longer a portable option as its too heavy.

 

I wear the cable over the ears and in the front so not having a restrainer is not too much of a problem for me.

 

 

Glad you are enjoying them so much Lillee.

 

Butters149 - they are available in Asia


Edited by spkrs01 - 1/27/12 at 9:31am
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where can i buy the shure LE at?



 

I got mine from Addictedtoaudio.com.au, great service and they are an Australian authorized dealer so warranty is real etc located in Melbourne 


Edited by Lillee - 2/16/12 at 3:29pm
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Just played with a few cables for my SE535LE (coupled with a FiiO E7 amp and a Cowon X7).

 

50$ base cable (light grey, tangle-free, no microphonics, ****ty earguides, bulldozer angled connector): let's say this cable is the reference. I tend to EQ with a slight V, to get more bass, less mids, more treble plus some BBE to broaden the soundstage. You could say I'm making them sound more dynamic.

Stock SE535LE cable.jpg

 

 

30$ Furutech cable (new version, 2-braided gold-plated copper, black color, with proper earguides, chin slider, and straight PAILICCS connector, a bit stiff so microphonics are lightly present, although not annoying): let me say right away, I was utterly disappointed. Despite the good build quality (not too stiff, not too big), the connectors are awfully difficult to insert (I really had to be careful not to put too much pressure on the casings). But what follows is worse.

Unless you're after ultra-bright mids and treble, forget this cable. Bass suffer a significant decrease (which is dramatic since SE535LE are already not bass-heavy). Mids get slightly more forward, which isn't needed at all given the already mid-centered signature of SE535LE. Treble also get way brighter which makes them nearly piercing. I changed the V EQ into a more L EQ to compensate but the sound got really unnatural. Really not my taste. I guess you can't have it all for 30$...

newFurutech black.jpg

 

 

56$ 6N OFHC cable (quad-braid silver-plated copper, transparent cable with really stiff but well-molded earguides, no chin slider, straight PAILICCS connector, very stiff cable, especially the earguides, so I had to play with it a lot to soften it, otherwise microphonics are noticable): the cable looks awesome but man, the earguides are so stiff (fortunately they have a really nice shape) and no chin slider, which is a shame for the price.

Soundwise, it is already better than Furutech. Bass are a bit less present than with stock cable, but still more than enough for my taste (with the V EQ). Mids get more laid-back than with the stock cable, which is quite pleasing to my ears since it gives the SE535LE a more natural sound. Treble get a very small touch up, while staying sweet (no sharpness, like with the stock cable).

Overall, a nice cable if you're after a more relaxed and natural sound. I may keep this one for a while.

6N OFHC cable.jpg

 

 

Next steps:

 

  • 5N OCC cable (pure copper) or Baldur MKII cable (silver coated copper) but 142$ is quite the investment, and I honestly can't stand the blue color of the Baldur cable (I mean not with red IEMs at least), despite all the good things that Spkrs01 has said about it. wink.gif Not sure I will pursue this...

 

  • Better amp. Not that I don't like the E7, it brings some space so treble get more lively. But SE535 hisses easily with most amps, including the E7. So I read a while and I think a Pico Slim should do the job! biggrin.gif And if it doesn't do well with the SE535LE, it will still be useful with my AKG K240MKII.

Edited by tienbasse - 2/11/12 at 5:23am
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Thread Starter 

Very nicely reviewed and right on the money, Tienbasse.............!!!

 

Like you, I am using the Cowon X7. My eq on it is set to flat. I had a giant killer of an amp before, giant killer as in better than everything in the US$450 sector and some above (with the exception of the 2step which I like very much and may buy!) and in concert with a Baldur mk2 3.5mm mini i/c the sound was heavenly on FLAC files.

 

I then proceeded to buy a 5n OCC silver cable and matching 3.5mm i/c. The highs and mids were significantly better and so it should being substantially more expensive than the Baldur mk2. However, the bass was not how I perceive bass to sound like. The slam and attack was wonderful, the texture and resolution was present but somehow it just wasn't rich nor rounded enough. The decay was fantastic. At this juncture, I was still leaning towards the Baldur mk2 as the best and most coherent cable combination for the red 535 and have been quite vocal about it in these forums.

 

The game changer was when I purchased the Triad L3 last weekend, with it's reputation of having the finest bass of all portables, glorious lush mids and sparkling highs. The 5n OCC silver cable is the best cable for the red 535 thus far. It is actually a very nice looking cable too Tienbasse, a pearlescent white colour and very pliable! I also bought on Wednesday the Firestone Audio Supplier to listen to the Triad off the mains, very impressed about this power supply. A regular mains power supply was just so noisy......... 

 

I have a silver/gold hybrid cable coming in early March, and to be honest I don't think there will be a very good synergy with the red 535.

 

Mid- March should see the arrival of the Ibasso DX100. This DAP I am really looking forward to and I think it will conclude my journey of getting the best sound out of the red 535 in concert with the Triad L3 and the 5n OCC silver cable!!! 

 

In my opinion, I have the red 535 sounding so good that there is not another universal that I have listened to which has me wanting to buy it, and in Hong Kong we have access to the majority of universals for auditioning, with the exception of the K3003 that is, but in Hong Kong it is ridiculously priced at present.

 

In May/June I will be starting my new project in IEMs by buying the JH13 & 16s and see how I can try and get the best out of them.  

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by tienbasse View Post

Just played with a few cables for my SE535LE (coupled with a FiiO E7 amp and a Cowon X7).

 

50$ base cable (light grey, tangle-free, no microphonics, ****ty earguides, bulldozer angled connector): let's say this cable is the reference. I tend to EQ with a slight V, to get more bass, less mids, more treble plus some BBE to broaden the soundstage. You could say I'm making them sound more dynamic.

Stock SE535LE cable.jpg

 

 

30$ Furutech cable (new version, 2-braided gold-plated copper, black color, with proper earguides, chin slider, and straight PAILICCS connector, a bit stiff so microphonics are lightly present, although not annoying): let's say right away, I was utterly disappointed. Despite the good build quality (not too stiff, not too big), the connectors are awfully difficult to insert (I really had to be careful not to put too mich pressure on the casings). But what follows is worse.

Unless you're after ultra-bright mids and treble, forget this cable. Bass suffer a significant decrease (which is dramatic since SE535LE are already not bass-heavy). Mids get slightly more forward, which isn't needed at all given the already mid-centered signature of SE535LE. Treble also get way brighter which makes them nearly piercing. I changed the V EQ into a more L EQ to compensate but the sound got really unnatural. Really not my taste. I guess you can't have it all for 30$...

newFurutech black.jpg

 

 

56$ 6N OFHC cable (quad-braid silver-plated copper, transparent cable with really stiff but well-molded earguides, no chin slider, straight PAILICCS connector, very stiff cable, especially the earguides, so I had to play with it a lot to soften it, otherwise microphonics are noticable): the cable looks awesome but man, the earguides are so stiff (fortunately they have a really nice shape) and no chin slider, which is a shame for the price.

Soundwise, it is already better than Furutech. Bass are a bit less present than with stock cable, but still more than enough for my taste (with the V EQ). Mids get more laid-back than with the stock cable, which is quite pleasing to my ears since it gives the SE535LE a more natural sound. Treble get a very small touch up, while staying sweet (no sharpness, like with the stock cable).

Overall, a nice cable if you're after a more relaxed and natural sound. I may keep this one for a while.

6N OFHC cable.jpg

 

 

Next steps:

 

  • 5N OCC cable (pure copper) or Baldur MKII cable (silver coated copper) but 142$ is quite the investment, and I honestly can't stand the blue color of the Baldur cable (I mean not with red IEMs at least), despite all the good things that Spkrs01 has said about it. wink.gif Not sure I will pursue this...

 

  • Better amp. Not that I don't like the E7, it brings some space so treble get more lively. But SE535 hisses easily with most amps, including the E7. So I read a while and I think a Pico Slim should do the job! biggrin.gif And if it doesn't do well with the SE535LE, it will still be useful with my AKG K240MKII.


 


Edited by spkrs01 - 2/10/12 at 8:06pm
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Originally Posted by spkrs01 View Post

 

Mid- March should see the arrival of the Ibasso DX100. This DAP I am really looking forward to and I think it will conclude my journey of getting the best sound out of the red 535 in concert with the Triad L3 and the 5n OCC silver cable!!! 

 

In my opinion, I have the red 535 sounding so good that there is not another universal that I have listened to which has me wanting to buy it, and in Hong Kong we have access to the majority of universals for auditioning, with the exception of the K3003 that is, but in Hong Kong it is ridiculously priced at present.

Yes the iBasso DX100 is worth mentioning, I'm mainly waiting to see if they can provide proper support, because the current bugs are a bit too cumbersome in my opinion.

 

As for K3003, they're ridiculously priced everywhere (when you can find them, which is extremely difficult). No detachable cable either and the strain reliefs make me worry...
 

 

post #37 of 621
Thanks for all the info, spkrs01. I've just picked up a set of 535 reds and as yet not overwhelmed, but it's early days yet. Can you explain the sonic difference you found between Baldur and OCC cables?

I'm using an X7 as well. Thought making wouldn't be necessary, but I gather from your comments that is makes significant difference?
post #38 of 621
Thread Starter 
Hi.
The Baldur is a more coherent and balanced cable and best suited if you are using it straight from the X7 and I got great sound using this combination. The silver 5n occ is a lot more revealing and therefore highlights the lack of synergy between the X7 and itself.
The red535 are a great IEM and with the Baldur puts you in the right direction. You will notice an immediate improvement in the bass which will be much deeper and more texture and decay. Trebles will be more airy with better resolution. Mids reined in. All in All lessening the mid centric reputation that the red 535 has.
Hope that helps.

Sorry, misread your question copper occ? Good copper gives a lot of power but no finesse. No finesse equates to the sound being pretty artificial to my ears as in real music I believe there is a sense of ease to the sound.
post #39 of 621

Thanks spkrs01. I just re-read my post and realised my phone's autocorrect turned "amping" into "making"!?

 

My question was for a comparison of the sonic differences between the two cables you've said are good: the Baldur Mk 2 and the 5N OCC.

 

I'm missing the openness of my other phones and noticed the difference going from my X7 to my Creative X-Fi sound card (which is quite detailed and bright). Looking forward to buying a new cable.

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Thanks for all the info, spkrs01. I've just picked up a set of 535 reds and as yet not overwhelmed, but it's early days yet.

If you're coming from dynamic driver IEMs, please try to create a slight V EQ to make the SE535LTD more dynamic, plus some BBE (6 or 7).

 

It should make them more enjoyable.

 

Amping the SE535LTD is a tough job, they tend to hiss with most amps.

 

So far, out of the cables that Spkrs01 and I have tried, only the Baldur MK2 seems to extend bass, all others are weakening them to various degrees (worst being with the cheap Furutech cable...).

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Thread Starter 
Its a shame I don't have a regular Baldur anymore, otherwise I would be more than happy to send it down to you to try. Amps, you must find one with good circuit board and soldering. This will eliminate most of the hiss, but hiss will still exist due to the nature of IEMs. There are a few amps that I could recommend after having the opportunity to listening to quite a fair amount of portable amp here recently.
Edited by spkrs01 - 2/14/12 at 8:49pm
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Its a shame I don't have a regular Baldur anymore, otherwise I would be more than happy to send it down to you to try. Amps, you must find one with good circuit board and soldering. This will eliminate most of the hiss, but hiss will still exist due to the nature of IEMs. There are a few amps that I could recommend after having the opportunity to listening to quite a fair amount of portable amp here recently.


That would be amazing were it possible and I thank you for the sentiment. Despite having significant positive experiences with hi-fi speaker cables and RCA interconnects, I'm having trouble getting my head around spending $140 on the Baldur Mk2 cable on eBay because I can't imagine it making that big of a difference... Silly when I've experienced cable differences elsewhere, but I guess the original Shure cable seems like better than average quality to start with. Do you what sort of cable it is? Is it just plain copper?


Edited by Loquah - 2/15/12 at 2:42am
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I've caught up on this thread. Nice review tienbasse thanks for that, very informative.

 

 

I have a problem with the stock light grey cable in that it's about 5cm too short and does allow me to wear my 535's at the back of the head style which I like. So I have Belden cable for ~$50 (microphone cable rewired to accept Shures), it's super thick and very uncomfortable portably. Microphonics are a big problem. But sitting still at the office or at home it gives better sound than the stock cable. Ultra bright highs that I find in the stock cable are dulled down slightly without losing resolition making it more pleasant overall. The bass is significantly increased in depth and extension. Sound stage is wider too on the Belden. Overall the sensitivity on the Beldens are much better than the stock cable. but as said the comfort is a real drawback and I now have purchased a stock Shure clear cable and have been using that lately only for it's length. Overall it was an excellent buy for $50 imo.

 

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I have also put in a order for the (older version) Furutech cable and I am disappointed to read your review of them. Never mind, they were only $30 and I was thinking of using them to fix my venerable E2C's which the cable has died on.

 

Now about amplification and bass! YES ditch the E7 and move up to a RSA Tomahawk (or better). I had an E11 and the hiss was too much for me. Also on certain tracks on high end I found the E11 distorted noticeably. The Tomahawk is a FAR FAR superior product. It has a deep dark silent background and enhances some tracks which are acoustic or acapella. The biggest thing I've noticed is the bass on the Tomahawk. It is deep and strong, authorative I think is the right word. Now having used the Tomahawk I honestly don't believe the bass on 535LTD is actually lacking, I feel that those who think it is have inadequate amplification - Honest! On some tracks it is very strong and deep, not at all lacking. Accurate is the best word for it. Of course it can't thump like a headphone can simply because of driver size, but it certainly gives good reproduction of that thump. Even with the E11's 2 bass boost switches (which just made everything muddy and boomy) the Tomahawk is still superior bass wise. It's tighter and more defined.

 

Bottom line the base is not quite the same as my KEF 12inch sub by any means, but I feel it is more than enough and most important, accurate, and not at all lacking.

 

Also bad in ear fitment is a big killer of base, make sure you are using the right sized olives for your ear. Proof: turn your music on, squeeze the olives in your fingers and insert them in your ear. You will hear the bass continually increase while the olives expand in your ear canal. The way to check they are fitted properly is when you pop them out, the shape should be distorted slightly by your ear canal, that's how you know they have expanded to fit your ear canal properly. If there are folds when you pull them out, they are too big, go one size down or you didn't squeeze them before putting them in your ear. If there are no shape distortions when you pull them out, then they are too small, try the next one up.

 

While on this subject of bass, I also noticed a big difference from 320kps MP3 and ALAC Lossless when it comes to bass (amongst other things). There is simply more of it and greater extension on lossless. It's that big of a difference I've ripped all my music into lossless and ditched all my compressed music. Also not all bass is the same, what I mean is the source recording plays a big role. I find that there are some CDs just don't have that extra dimension in bass, even though they are all lossless ripped. Example: Fleetwood Mac's greatest hits has more thumping bass than Live's Awake album, which is a light metal rock band! It's weird but I can only attribute this difference to recording source. If not done right, it just doesn't sound good no matter what amps/headphones you have...

 

The other big difference between E11 and Tomahawk is resolution overall. Quite simply the Tomahawk is like a chlorinated pool compared to a muddy river that is the E11! I feel it is that big of a difference. Acoustic guitar, cymbals, voices, echo effects, so much resolution that was not there before. It's night and day.

 

So to end with my point: the difference between cables is negligible compared to the difference a good amp makes. save your money and buy a good amp! I am that certain that I'm looking into buying a RSA SR-71B and recabling for balanced output to the Shures. Rip your music to Lossless (free upgrade!)

 

In the next coming week I have ordered 1) A gen 5.5 iMod 2) a Fostex HP-P1 so I will let you know how source DAC makes a difference... till then happy listening!


Edited by Lillee - 2/16/12 at 4:23pm
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Amping the SE535LTD is a tough job, they tend to hiss with most amps.


You must try a RSA Tomahawk, there is no hiss whatsoever, it's deep and dark background which greatly enhances the music. Even on more sensitive Belden cable I describe above (which shows up hiss on some recorded tracks where track itself hisses, not the amp), it has no hiss on "silent" tracks.


Edited by Lillee - 2/16/12 at 4:15pm
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Whats the difference between the red shure se535 and the ordinary ones?

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