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post #31 of 128
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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

I've only heard about 4 different BA's, but I think their sound is much more artificial sounding when compared to a dynamic side-by-side, which sounds much more natural. Just my opinion. 



A agree that a lot of BA's do sound a lot more artificial, but I use those a lot for analyzing DAC's and amps. The Radius HP-TWF21 I use for pure musical enjoyment.

post #32 of 128
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BA drivers handle busy passages better as they have more speed. I believe they are also more accurate. Higher end IEMs are often used for "monitoring" and that requires a flat frequency response. Dynamics are used more often in lower end IEMs because they produce more bass and that seems to be the "popular" sound signature of general consumers. I don't think people even really considered dynamics drivers worthy of flagship status until a couple years ago when the IE8 came out. Clearly, technology in dynamics have improved a lot as there are now more and more dynamic flagship models.

 


Good points here kckc.

 

post #33 of 128
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Good points here kckc.

 



Yes. Take the HD800 for example. If it was a earphone, it would be a BA.

post #34 of 128

What BA's are that extended? Or do you just mean edgy and bright? Cuz the W4 sure as hell isn't. Do you have to go custom? 

post #35 of 128

Just my 2c, please don't forget there's different strokes for different folks. Like with everything else, the truth with IEMs is that there's no universal truth. There are detail freaks who value the resolution and separation of multi-BAs above everything else. There are holistic listeners who don't need the last bit of micro-detail and think DDs just sound more natural. Weigh their opinions, see where they're coming from and try to find out who hears things similarly to yourself.

 

The W4 you've heard are probably the universals that sound closest to high-end BA customs, so you should be very sceptic about going for these if the W4 aren't your cup of tea. Been there, done that and let me tell you, some fundamental characteristics of BAs just don't change, even in a custom shell. You can get deep, fast and well defined bass with high impact, but not the same kind of texture that DDs can provide. Same goes for soundstage, you just won't get the soundstage of open-back DDs from closed IEMs, no matter if they're universals or customs. High end multi-BAs have their undeniable merits, but I'd be highly sceptic about anyone who tells you that they're superior in every aspect. Ask about their preferences among universals and go from there. Trust your own ears, no matter what you're reading on the forums. Good luck for your quest. smile_phones.gif

post #36 of 128
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

Just my 2c, please don't forget there's different strokes for different folks. Like with everything else, the truth with IEMs is that there's no universal truth. There are detail freaks who value the resolution and separation of multi-BAs above everything else. There are holistic listeners who don't need the last bit of micro-detail and think DDs just sound more natural. Weigh their opinions, see where they're coming from and try to find out who hears things similarly to yourself.

 

The W4 you've heard are probably the universals that sound closest to high-end BA customs, so you should be very sceptic about going for these if the W4 aren't your cup of tea. Been there, done that and let me tell you, some fundamental characteristics of BAs just don't change, even in a custom shell. You can get deep, fast and well defined bass with high impact, but not the same kind of texture that DDs can provide. Same goes for soundstage, you just won't get the soundstage of open-back DDs from closed IEMs, no matter if they're universals or customs. High end multi-BAs have their undeniable merits, but I'd be highly sceptic about anyone who tells you that they're superior in every aspect. Ask about their preferences among universals and go from there. Trust your own ears, no matter what you're reading on the forums. Good luck for your quest. smile_phones.gif


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James, I just read your reviews on your dynamics - very nice.  I personally love the FX700 more than any IEM I've ever heard, but I have been very tempted to scoop up the EX1000 because they are often compared as the two "best" universal dynamic IEMs made.  I've heard that they are much more tame and neutral than the FX700, but it seems like you hint differently?

 

My main reason for not pulling the trigger on them is the isolation.  In your opinion, is it true that they are only slightly better than the FX700 and still crappy?  I might have to get the MTPC solely because I've heard that they have the best isolation out of the top-tier universal dynamic IEMs.  Isolation is important to me for my next IEM because I will use the FX700 when isolation is not an issue.
 

 


Edited by BassInMyFace - 12/4/11 at 11:07pm
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

Just my 2c, please don't forget there's different strokes for different folks. Like with everything else, the truth with IEMs is that there's no universal truth. There are detail freaks who value the resolution and separation of multi-BAs above everything else. There are holistic listeners who don't need the last bit of micro-detail and think DDs just sound more natural. Weigh their opinions, see where they're coming from and try to find out who hears things similarly to yourself.

 

The W4 you've heard are probably the universals that sound closest to high-end BA customs, so you should be very sceptic about going for these if the W4 aren't your cup of tea. Been there, done that and let me tell you, some fundamental characteristics of BAs just don't change, even in a custom shell. You can get deep, fast and well defined bass with high impact, but not the same kind of texture that DDs can provide. Same goes for soundstage, you just won't get the soundstage of open-back DDs from closed IEMs, no matter if they're universals or customs. High end multi-BAs have their undeniable merits, but I'd be highly sceptic about anyone who tells you that they're superior in every aspect. Ask about their preferences among universals and go from there. Trust your own ears, no matter what you're reading on the forums. Good luck for your quest. smile_phones.gif


That's probably the best 2C I have ever heard. To sum up what I think without writing a whole article, when it comes to audio, to each his own.

post #38 of 128

"Am I the Only Person Out There That Prefers Dynamic IEMs Over Armature IEMs?" Not really. If so, no one would be using dynamics any more. Obviously, each has their advantages and disadvantages. BAs have speed and resolution, can be reshelled, typically have greater isolation. They have great accuracy and usually a nice punchy and tight bass, and multi-BA systems usually can cover a greater range of the spectrum, from the lowest of lows to the highest of highs. Dynamics generally have the advantage of the lower end of the spectrum, greater bass timbre and sweet midrange. Their usually vented designs often mean a greater soundstage, but typically less superb imaging. Dynamics seem to provide a more intimate and less "metallic sound". Of course these are quite general (and for some, meaningless) observation from my (rather limited) experience with IEMs. While some may find audio bliss or the perfect phone in either a specific balanced armature or dynamic, personally, the line is hard to cross and ultimately either type can fulfil all niches.

 

post #39 of 128
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Originally Posted by BassInMyFace View Post

The high-end dynamic IEMs' overall sound quality is equal and comparible to the armature IEMs in my opinion (except for the full customs I'm sure).  I understand that this is a subjective statement, but I guess I'm just curious if I am the only person that feels like this and prefers dynamic IEMs over armature IEMs? Does anyone else agree and feel the same?



You're quite mistaken in most of your assumptions about balanced armatures versus dynamics.

 

Even in top-tier customs, there is a dynamic custom that is incredible. Read my review of it.

post #40 of 128

I can't speak for dynamics vs balanced armatures in general as I haven't heard all. However, I do like my dynamic driver GR07 over the balanced armature UM3X, 535 and DBA 02. Having a dynamic or balanced armature driver will definitely bring in certain characteristics unique to each type. But, this isn't the end point - many other factors play in to the sound. To say that one IEM is better than the other just because it has a dynamic driver or vice versa would be wrong. 

post #41 of 128
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You're quite mistaken in most of your assumptions about balanced armatures versus dynamics.

 

Even in top-tier customs, there is a dynamic custom that is incredible. Read my review of it.


To be honest, I'm ignorant to customs.  I don't know much about them - awesome review though!

 

post #42 of 128
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In your opinion, is it true that they are only slightly better than the FX700 and still crappy?  I might have to get the MTPC solely because I've heard that they have the best isolation out of the top-tier universal dynamic IEMs.  Isolation is important to me for my next IEM because I will use the FX700 when isolation is not an issue.

Thanks, and sorry to disappoint you, the EX1000 aren't a big step up in isolation from the JVCs.
post #43 of 128

I have IE7, MTPC, EX1000, GR07, and etc. Vastly prefer my UE 700 and ER4-PT over those DDs.

 

To me dynamic IEMs are just earbuds with a nozzle. They have huge housing to accommodate their larger drivers, which of course can move a lot more air and create texture/bass/soundstage which a jelly bean sized UE 700 simply cannot emulate. The thing I hate most about dynamic IEMs is the size of the housing, and how it always have to sit outside of the ear canal. I can just have a custom molded earbud-to-IEM converter on my B&O A8 and that would not be much different than a dynamic IEM. 

 

If someday I find a pair of dynamics with the sound of GR07 and size of qJays or UE700, I might take another look. For now though, it's BA for me all the way. 

post #44 of 128
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Originally Posted by Yggdrassilious View Post

The thing I hate most about dynamic IEMs is the size of the housing, and how it always have to sit outside of the ear canal.

 

 

My TF10s are laughing at me as I read this, my IE8's don't stick out at all and are more comfortable. There are always exceptions.

 

Above someone mentioned the soundstage factor and such of Dynamics. On that note, is there any universal BA IEM that has the soundstage of the IE8, FX700, EX1000 etc? 
 

 

post #45 of 128
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Originally Posted by YGuyG View Post

My TF10s are laughing at me as I read this, my IE8's don't stick out at all and are more comfortable. There are always exceptions.

 

Above someone mentioned the soundstage factor and such of Dynamics. On that note, is there any universal BA IEM that has the soundstage of the IE8, FX700, EX1000 etc? 
 

 


How is the isolation of the TF10s compared to the IE8s in your opinion?

 

I would also like to know the answer to your question as well...

 

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