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post #1 of 33
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I am new to this site and electronics. I just built a banzai v2 cmoy amp which wasn't very difficult except for the capacitors and power wires being connected to jumpers. anyhow the led turns on when powered up but i get no sound. I would like some help in testing what could be the problem. I have a multimeter to take measurements but would need guidance as to what needs to be tested. I have checked voltage at the capacitors and am a little confused. The capacitor to the right of the op amp gets 9.4 volts but the capacitor to the left of the op amp has a negative reading of 6.4???? i will attach some pics

 

banzai diagram.jpg

 

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post #2 of 33

Remove the op amp from the socket, and measure the voltage over the capacitors again. (to begin with).

 

P.S.

Always be careful when handling the op amp. Touch the ground of the amp with the hand or the instrument you use when inserting it in the socket. En electrostatic discharge can be destructive to its sensitive input stage.


Edited by chetlanin - 12/5/11 at 6:06am
post #3 of 33
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with the op amp removed i get a voltage reading of 9.29 and -5.43

post #4 of 33

Good, then we can concentrate on simpler things to find the error (or one of the errors).

 

Is the voltage right at the battery poles when it is switched off?  Do something cause lots of current to be drawn from the the negative supply battery when switched on ( and still with removed op amp). Is any of the components getting warm? (they should in that case).

 

You must go through the everything on the print board once more. Do all the resistors have the right value. No unwanted connections by loose metal parts?

 

But perhaps the most common error in a case like this, would have to do with the electrolytic capacitors. First of all check that there is no mixing up of leads around the switch and from the battery. Then try to let the capacitors change place. Any difference?

 

 

P.S.

Let us say it this way: No reason to put back the op amp before you have -9V on pin 4, and +9V on pin 8.


Edited by chetlanin - 12/6/11 at 4:32am
post #5 of 33
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Originally Posted by chetlanin View Post

Good, then we can concentrate on simpler things to find the error (or one of the errors).

 

Is the voltage right at the battery poles when it is switched off?  Do something cause lots of current to be drawn from the the negative supply battery when switched on ( and still with removed op amp). Is any of the components getting warm? (they should in that case).

 

You must go through the everything on the print board once more. Do all the resistors have the right value. No unwanted connections by loose metal parts?

 

But perhaps the most common error in a case like this, would have to do with the electrolytic capacitors. First of all check that there is no mixing up of leads around the switch and from the battery. Then try to let the capacitors change place. Any difference?

 

 

P.S.

Let us say it this way: No reason to put back the op amp before you have -9V on pin 4, and +9V on pin 8.




The voltage i get at the battery poles with the power switch off is 2.31 and 0.00. None of the components are getting warm. The 1k resistors are all getting a reading on .92 and the 5k resistors get a reading of only 3.2. The board is clean. All leads from the switch are correct.

 

I am new to electronics, so I hope you don't mind some of my questions. Do you want me to remove the capacitors and switch their positions? and when you say you want -9v at pin 4 and +9v at pin 8. how do I measure that?

 

Are the readings that I have given you incorrect? should that -5v be -9v ?

 

thanks, George

 

post #6 of 33

The batteries should each show 9V when the amp is switched off, needless to say! You measure always against ground.

 

Be sure that the batteries are not empty!

 

To proceed I suggest that we do more simplifications. (feel free not to follow my suggestions, people will attack such problems from different angles).

 

The switch and the capacitors are not needed to make the thing work.( the capacitors are just giving the battery a helping hand, so to speak), I suggest that you temporarily remove them, to see if you can get the thing up and running. (but keep leads relatively short)

 

The op amp needs  -9V at pin 4 and +9V at pin 8 (as I said).  See picture. To arrange two 9V batteries to be able to supply these voltages, they are coupled together as on the picture, as you probably already know.  (the important thing is to be aware of orientation of the plus and minus terminals, of course). Olaf

 

principle.gif

 

post #7 of 33
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thanks Olaf, I will try this tomorrow when I have time and will post back with the results.

post #8 of 33
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I did as you suggested, removed the caps and the switch and connected the batteries directly and got -9v at pin 4 and +9v at pin 8. What would be my next step. I put the op amp in and powered it up and still no sound.

post #9 of 33

What?! It does not work even with the right voltages supplied to the op amp? Well, keep it this way for a while, it seems at least as though we have eliminated one fault ( since you didn't get the the voltages right earlier).

 

In my view there is now two possibilites: 1.The op-amp itself is defective (not extremely likely) and 2, even it the schematics are very simple there may be some faulty connection somewhere (even less likely, in view of its simplicity). Will you try another op amp? Or will you once more go through the components and connections on the board?  Your choice. But I can tell you this: The error must be something rather simple and obvious, since  both channels are silent. Olaf

post #10 of 33

You are sure the headphones are plugged into the correct jack,

 

don't laugh I've seen it happen

post #11 of 33
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You are sure the headphones are plugged into the correct jack,

 

don't laugh I've seen it happen


I took that into account and switched the inputs each time i tested for sound, thanks.  I ordered another op amp, now I have to wait for it to come in.  Is there a way to check if the input and output jacks are connected properly or at all. When I installed the jacks the pins going into the board didn't quite go all the way through. Just trying to narrow down the issue.

 

thanks, george

 

post #12 of 33
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Originally Posted by losemoneyg View Post


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. When I installed the jacks the pins going into the board didn't quite go all the way through. Just trying to narrow down the issue.

 



Follow that lead! Say, if the ground contact of the connector  has no contact, there will be no sound. Also if the two other pins have no contact there will be no sound. (if NO pins has contact, you should be able to remove the whole thing, of course). Switch on your practical sense and you will find a way to  measure to check the contact, I suppose all multimeter instruments have a buzz or beep function!). Olaf

post #13 of 33

Sorry with the ground off you still hear sound, its very distorted but still there, if there is absolutly no sound ie totaly dead, I'd be looking hard at the power arrangement

 

cheers

FRED

post #14 of 33
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just an update as I am still waiting for the op amp to come in the mail.  I took a continuity test by placing one end of the probe into the input jack and followed the traces and I have continuity. I also check continuity in the output jack by doing the same and have continuity. I also checked the pot, all good. Fred, when you refer to power arrangement what do you mean?

post #15 of 33
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The op amp needs  -9V at pin 4 and +9V at pin 8 (as I said).  See picture. To arrange two 9V batteries to be able to supply these voltages, they are coupled together as on the picture, as you probably already know.  (the important thing is to be aware of orientation of the plus and minus terminals, of course). Olaf

 

 

principle.gif

Olaf, Does that ground wire need to be hooked up and if yes where?

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