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post #256 of 580
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post

And this is a tautological debate now. Without measurements you can't really expand on "good" or "better" and (unfortunately for us) your assurance means nothing (it's too inherently rooted in your own perception; which nobody shares with you - you may be spot-on for what I, or someone else, likes, or you may be completely out in left field; it's not any sort of judgment of you, because your perception works for your needs) - the science disagrees as a result. Anyways, glad to hear someone else enjoys their SA5000!

 

 

It's questionable if you would hear a difference in amps and source if you have Faux-SA5000s... and whats all this about Science? I remember back in 09/10 all the new guys saying there are no benefits (on paper) to be had after the Fiio E7/9, now needless to say those same members are running thousand dollar setups. It's easy, perhaps arrogant to claim there are no benefits to be had from any other equipment than headphone when you haven't actually heard them. 

post #257 of 580

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[/] and whats all this about Science? I remember back in 09/10 all the new guys saying there are no benefits (on paper) to be had after the Fiio E7/9, now needless to say those same members are running thousand dollar setups. 

 

The science (on paper) is saying that now too, except it's called something else, more convincing, and more violent... than back then.

 

post #258 of 580

Ah, you misunderstood. What I mean is, I think we're actually shooting at the same goal, but arguing about how we define that goal. In other words, what you're describing here is where I think most people are aiming with the SA-5000. I'm not advocating that we go out and find some god-awful amplifier that pushes hard clipping into almost no load and has a bandwidth of something like 600-6k or anything like that (and scarily enough there are amplifiers (nearly this bad) that exist like this for speakers, and some of them cost tens of thousands of dollars). But I am saying be honest with yourself. 

 

As far as "our perceptions can't be that different" - tell that to the people who say the SA5000 is harsh, bright, sibilant, etc. Perception is a fickle thing. 

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It does not matter what I like about the phones or how I perceive them. It only matter that I want to make it better.It might mean that for one person driving to full potential means something different than for another person. I do not think however, that out perceptions are so different that full potential will mean similar things in the end. Is it not the speed and clarity that we all like about SA5ks? If so, driving to full potential means enhancing clarity and speed, is that bad?

 

 

post #259 of 580
I agree with kiteki to the fullest here.
The sa5000 is absolutely phenomenal out of a sansa clip+ or a hifiman hm601/801, I don't hear all this perceived superstition that they aren't even close to their potential. It's not just the volume. We're talking about the sa5000 here, not the k701 or k1000. There's maybe a 5-10% difference in running these out of the isabellina. Crazy? Not at all.

And what's this about bob with a faux sa5000? Don't recall what happened.
Edited by Sil3nce - 4/19/12 at 3:37pm
post #260 of 580
come one guys. arguing the sa5000 is easy to drive while the k701 isn't and is more sensitive to source material? isn't this being totally hypocritical here? last time i heard the k701 they're the least source dependent as the k601. they sound great and clear out of anything really,and i use to use the k601 for my ipod since i found nearly much difference between amping from an ipod to my speaker amps speaker outputs,but were still awesome headphones. i found them less sensitive than my sextetts and 240DF's and don't sound nearly as good.

it is true the sa5000 sound great out most things but all i said was it sounded ''cleaner'' to me from using my power amps over my ipod or interface, even off the balanced outputs of my interface. no super big change but the cleanest of sound was the most noticeable,especially in the midrange and tad bit more clarity. i like them for low-level listening and gaming/movies mostly. i also enjoy the clarity they have for music and stuff. might not be accurate but sure is very nice sounding and enjoyable.
post #261 of 580

 

When I had the SA-5000 I only used it with my sound-card, a vintage 70's amplifier, a Cowon S9, Sony gumstick, Sony discmans, etc.

 

I think in order for it to sound good you only really need to turn it on, like turning on a TV, and then the TV "looks good", even with a VHS tape, capice?  I'm open to the idea it sounds better with more volts and current, or castlevania tube amp synergy, IDK... I think I need to revisit it, or the SA-3000?

 

 

post #262 of 580

 

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Originally Posted by RexAeterna View Post

come one guys. arguing the sa5000 is easy to drive while the k701 isn't and is more sensitive to source material? isn't this being totally hypocritical here? last time i heard the k701 they're the least source dependent as the k601. they sound great and clear out of anything really,and i use to use the k601 for my ipod since i found nearly much difference between amping from an ipod to my speaker amps speaker outputs,but were still awesome headphones. i found them less sensitive than my sextetts and 240DF's and don't sound nearly as good.
it is true the sa5000 sound great out most things but all i said was it sounded ''cleaner'' to me from using my power amps over my ipod or interface, even off the balanced outputs of my interface. no super big change but the cleanest of sound was the most noticeable,especially in the midrange and tad bit more clarity. i like them for low-level listening and gaming/movies mostly. i also enjoy the clarity they have for music and stuff. might not be accurate but sure is very nice sounding and enjoyable.

 


The k701 has next to zero bass quantity and impact out of a portable source. It's not near its efficiency.

The sa5000 sounds amazing out of a clip+.

Go figure.

 

post #263 of 580

 

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The k701 has next to zero bass quantity and impact out of a portable source. It's not near its efficiency.

The sa5000 sounds amazing out of a clip+.

Go figure.

 

 

I haven't had any real issue driving the SA3000 out of an iphone. I have to turn the volume up quite high but I don't notice any real deficiencies. Plugging it into my O2, all I get is a cleaner output.

 

VERY happy with both cases. Hopefully I will be joining the SA5000 club soon and will give my SA3000's to a new home :3

post #264 of 580
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Originally Posted by Sil3nce View Post





The k701 has next to zero bass quantity and impact out of a portable source. It's not near its efficiency.
The sa5000 sounds amazing out of a clip+.
Go figure.

from memory the k701 is naturally pretty lean headphone and leaner than even the k601 overall so i guessing it has something to do more with source impedance cause i do remember both the k601 and k701 sounding clear and nice out even just an ipod and people exaggerated on their amping needs. i found the bass fine on both though. both were nice and tight and clear. i could be overall wrong though cause this of course all from memory. only thing i do actually and sure of that i remember, is that i liked the k601 over the 701 especially the midrange performance the k601 was better and more neutral sounding in my opinion but i still like the older sextetts and DF's much more than either as well for their midrange tonality.

i know akg headphones are one brand besides sennheiser that tends to have the most non-flat frequency vs. impedance response, so i can see a higher output impedance giving the k701's more warmth in the bass to mid-bass for impact if that what you mean. this is just my opinion and thoughts overall. like i said though, it's all from memory.
post #265 of 580
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Originally Posted by a_recording View Post



I haven't had any real issue driving the SA3000 out of an iphone. I have to turn the volume up quite high but I don't notice any real deficiencies. Plugging it into my O2, all I get is a cleaner output.

VERY happy with both cases. Hopefully I will be joining the SA5000 club soon and will give my SA3000's to a new home :3

yes. that's what i been trying to get at. not uber scaling or whatever people call it but they get much more ''pure'' output from better gear. doesn't magically change their sound but makes things cleaner sounding. the cleaner sound will give the impression of better ''clarity''. happens with my DF's as well. don't know if it has to do with output impedance/damping factor or just cause my power amps are just overall better designed and better components cause it is a dual-mono power amp vs. an ipod after all, and while the ipod is consist of op-amps my power amps are all discrete with very high bandwidth and minimum negative feedback capable of driving very high currents and won't break a sweat under a 2ohm nominal speaker load.. on other hand it could be all in my head and i'm secretly imagining things. it is possible.
Edited by RexAeterna - 4/20/12 at 9:27pm
post #266 of 580
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Originally Posted by RexAeterna View Post

from memory the k701 is naturally pretty lean headphone and leaner than even the k601 overall so i guessing it has something to do more with source impedance cause i do remember both the k601 and k701 sounding clear and nice out even just an ipod and people exaggerated on their amping needs. i found the bass fine on both though. both were nice and tight and clear. i could be overall wrong though cause this of course all from memory. only thing i do actually and sure of that i remember, is that i liked the k601 over the 701 especially the midrange performance the k601 was better and more neutral sounding in my opinion but i still like the older sextetts and DF's much more than either as well for their midrange tonality.
i know akg headphones are one brand besides sennheiser that tends to have the most non-flat frequency vs. impedance response, so i can see a higher output impedance giving the k701's more warmth in the bass to mid-bass for impact if that what you mean. this is just my opinion and thoughts overall. like i said though, it's all from memory.

Ahh, here's the thing. I wrote a short summary on the true nature of the beast that is the k701.
Once you remove the foam doughnuts clogging up and smoothing out the sound, they turn into thumping engaging cans.
Most of the people who listened to my pairf agree with me here, that the bass is surprisingly evident from mid-low bass. Much more so then they expected.
However, on portable sources/unamped they become lifeless and screechy. One-dimensional even.
post #267 of 580

 

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Originally Posted by Sil3nce View Post

However, on portable sources/unamped they become lifeless and screechy. One-dimensional even.

 

Can you say HD800?  wink.gif

post #268 of 580

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Originally Posted by a_recording View Post

 

VERY happy with both cases. Hopefully I will be joining the SA5000 club soon and will give my SA3000's to a new home :3

 

Let me know.

 

post #269 of 580

The K701 do not have an "impedance spike" - they're pretty flat, just like the SA5000 (the SA5000 are flatter). 

 

Between the two, the K701 extend deeper, but the SA5000 have a nice bump in the mid-bass that makes them more "fun" with lots of music. One thing that I find odd is, the K701 measure pretty consistently between a few reviews I've read (the 10k ridge on the CSD sometimes vanishes, but that's another thread), but the SA5000's measurements vary wildly. sometimes the bass is over a cliff at ~150, sometimes it extends lower. From subjective listening, I think it extends lower, but it doesn't impact like the K701 or HD 580/6x. 

 

 

post #270 of 580

 

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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post 

 

Between the two, the K701 extend deeper, but the SA5000 have a nice bump in the mid-bass that makes them more "fun" with lots of music.

 

On mine the mid bass hump sounds more like an upper bass hump.  It's kind of funny actually, but if I don't think critically about it I'm fine, sort of...tongue_smile.gif

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