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post #241 of 581

SPL is not a measure of linear driver control and performance over complex musical passages.  Match the gains on a iPhone and my Sansui and tell me which you think is performing better.  Not preferred coloration mind you, but precise driver control and technical performance.

post #242 of 581
i had an ipod touch before i sold it and experimented with the sa5000. touch did give good enough volume to kill my ears but did not nearly sound as clean as my interface,preamp,power amps or receivers. i liked it most off speaker outs of my power amps and my h/k 725 preamp. sounds great from my echo audiofire and bit more cleaner than the ipod i used and tested with the same song but better from my preamp and my power amps.

that's why i said they're more source dependent and to be honest i did not expect them to be like that when i first got them and tried them. also from my preamp and main power amps they sound much more controlled and tight not only in the bass region but the top-end as well and clarity improves making them sound very clean sounding to me. they might have tons of air response but they do not bother me like my sextetts does when it comes to brightness but i think cause the top is quicker on the sa5000 overall cause i did compare them to a stax sr-202 with lambda pro pads before and found the sa5000 in my opinion a bit quicker with better clarity.
post #243 of 581

Who said that stand-alone headphone amplifiers were ever relevant? Just because someone makes an expensive box doesn't mean it's needed or has a purpose. That said, I think you're taking my statement too far (and potentially too personally). I didn't just say "get loud" - there were other qualifications on there that you're ignoring. 

 

Once you get to the point of having linear, non-clipped output, that doesn't introduce any sort of "coloration" (however you want to qualify or quantify that), you end up with a whole lot of the same thing between amplifiers. In other words, once you get to "good enough" it truly is "good enough." So without knowing what you're unhappy with with the SA5000, nobody can really begin to address your question. If this is simply "I like what I have but need more" then buy whatever is most appealing to your sensibilities. If it pleases you, and it's your money, then it's your own prerogative.

 

Regarding your ultimatum - that's your own preference. If you want a different sound, get a different headphone (not a different amplifier, decoder, cable, etc). And yes, that's my view on things. If you disagree, that's fine, and I'm not looking up or down on you - ultimately do what makes sense to you. 

 

Anax,

 

Can't really take you up on that test. But having done similar tests in the past, and read about many more (some done with many more amplifiers), the end result is usually the same: if neither amp is distorting, clipping, or otherwise giving up the ghost, identifications are usually no better than chance. You can't preference X over Y if you can't tell X and Y apart. 

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Originally Posted by Szadzik View Post

 

Going that route amplifiers become obsolete and we start using HO from PC because they do not clip and are loud.

 

Take a phone like T1, T5p, K701 etc., etc., and if  you tell me that as long as there is no clipping and they go loud they are driven well, than I will go back to my K26Ps that I started with a few years back.



 


Edited by obobskivich - 4/18/12 at 9:30am
post #244 of 581
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Originally Posted by Szadzik View Post

 

I know they even work from a portable - I used them with my Sony X Series with great sucess. I also used Beyerdynamic T5ps with the X Series Walkman and that does not mean they were driven to their full potential. T5ps have lower impedance and are less sensitive, but we all know driving headphones is not about volume.


Likewise, I used the SA-5000 from a Cowon S9 with decent results, and I listen to my T5p from a Teclast T51 with a positive synergy.

 

I've read the SA-5000 sounds best with some kind of Sylvania tubes, I've never touched tubes so I wouldn't know.

 

 

For me the T5p is excellent with the OPA627, I think it's because the T5p is the most "alive" headphone I know of, the music and singers just sound more "living".

 

On the contrary the OPA627 is the most "dead" sounding opamp I know of, yet beautifully so.  This high performance interlaced lightness-darkness comes very close to a sense of perfection for me, however it comes with a sense of despair too, like a dark movie, or a dead butterfly, so I tend to not listen for very long until I feel like changing to something more sterile and neutral, without the feeling of misty streets and silkworm poison on my fingers.

 

 


Edited by kiteki - 4/18/12 at 10:52am
post #245 of 581

Browsed through the past couple of pages and I can say if you're getting good results from your mobile MP3 player then your headphone amplifier isn't very good. As I've said before headphones like the SA5000 really shine on a tube amp.

post #246 of 581

One of these days I hope to try a pair of these. Their comparisons to the HD800's are likely hyperbole, but they've done their part in getting me to want to hear them. tongue.gif

post #247 of 581

 

The SA-5000 and T5p are driven to high volumes by basic sound-cards and MP3 players, with very good results since they always sound good haha.

 

Comparisons of SRH-940 and SA-5000 to HD800 are truth or hyperbole depending on what you're listening for.  You can easily write them off as sounding "totally different" in soundspace and FR for example.

 

 

post #248 of 581

The unfortunate part is that it would appear Sony has discontinued them. Yes I know there is a large used market to find all sorts of weird headphones on, but it's rather annoying that one of the better values on the market has gone away. Then again, it was out for something like 11 years, so that's pretty impressive in it''s own right (okay so it isn't DT48 impressive, but still). 
 

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Originally Posted by Kukuk View Post

One of these days I hope to try a pair of these. Their comparisons to the HD800's are likely hyperbole, but they've done their part in getting me to want to hear them. tongue.gif



 

post #249 of 581

 

[quote] discontinued [/quote]

 

Oh well, for those of us with girlfriends we need closed HP's to stay up at night listening to music anyway.

 

post #250 of 581
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post

The unfortunate part is that it would appear Sony has discontinued them. Yes I know there is a large used market to find all sorts of weird headphones on, but it's rather annoying that one of the better values on the market has gone away. Then again, it was out for something like 11 years, so that's pretty impressive in it''s own right (okay so it isn't DT48 impressive, but still). 
 



 



Ah, that's a shame. Hopefully they don't get too expensive, or if they do, they go down in price by the time I have money to spend (dang headphone market!) biggrin.gif

post #251 of 581

I think HeadRoom still has them for $599. List was $699. Amazon had them for $340 in January. 

 

post #252 of 581

 

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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post

Who said that stand-alone headphone amplifiers were ever relevant? Just because someone makes an expensive box doesn't mean it's needed or has a purpose. That said, I think you're taking my statement too far (and potentially too personally). I didn't just say "get loud" - there were other qualifications on there that you're ignoring. 

 

Once you get to the point of having linear, non-clipped output, that doesn't introduce any sort of "coloration" (however you want to qualify or quantify that), you end up with a whole lot of the same thing between amplifiers. In other words, once you get to "good enough" it truly is "good enough." So without knowing what you're unhappy with with the SA5000, nobody can really begin to address your question. If this is simply "I like what I have but need more" then buy whatever is most appealing to your sensibilities. If it pleases you, and it's your money, then it's your own prerogative.

 

Regarding your ultimatum - that's your own preference. If you want a different sound, get a different headphone (not a different amplifier, decoder, cable, etc). And yes, that's my view on things. If you disagree, that's fine, and I'm not looking up or down on you - ultimately do what makes sense to you. 

 

 

Full potential - take what is good about a headphone and make it better.

 

What you are referring to in the last paragraph is just the opposite of driving something to its full potential.

 

I have an amplifier and have had a few good headphones - I can assure you it makes a difference, regardless of whether you think it does or not.

 

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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

 

The SA-5000 and T5p are driven to high volumes by basic sound-cards and MP3 players, with very good results since they always sound good haha.

 

 

 

And again I think we are taking volume for being driven. This has been discussed too many times and I experienced that - especially with T5ps - they really shine with a good amp and by that I do not mean they change their sound sig, no, what I mean is that the best of their features are exposed and if the right amp is chosen they loose a bit of brightness that can be excessive at times.

 

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Originally Posted by Graphicism View Post

Browsed through the past couple of pages and I can say if you're getting good results from your mobile MP3 player then your headphone amplifier isn't very good. As I've said before headphones like the SA5000 really shine on a tube amp.

 

Yep, I quickly tried them on a WA2 and they sounded great. I also asked about Lyr, because I am thinking about picking up HE500/Lyr combo and was wondering how SA5ks would sound out of Lyr. I as of course stoned for wanting to try something different.

 

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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post


Likewise, I used the SA-5000 from a Cowon S9 with decent results, and I listen to my T5p from a Teclast T51 with a positive synergy.

 

I've read the SA-5000 sounds best with some kind of Sylvania tubes, I've never touched tubes so I wouldn't know.

 

 

For me the T5p is excellent with the OPA627, I think it's because the T5p is the most "alive" headphone I know of, the music and singers just sound more "living".

 

On the contrary the OPA627 is the most "dead" sounding opamp I know of, yet beautifully so.  This high performance interlaced lightness-darkness comes very close to a sense of perfection for me, however it comes with a sense of despair too, like a dark movie, or a dead butterfly, so I tend to not listen for very long until I feel like changing to something more sterile and neutral, without the feeling of misty streets and silkworm poison on my fingers.

 

 

 

I agree - sometimes you need opposite kinds of sound to make your phones really shine, and if anyone still has a problem understanding what I mean by that, please refer to my first sentence in this post where I defined full potential.

 


Edited by Szadzik - 4/18/12 at 8:59pm
post #253 of 581
i never used tubes with the SA5000 but can say they sound amazing on a nice clean/transparent solid state power amp. i like it lot more off my serviced 1980's H/K 770 dual-mono power amp compared to my ipod touch. sounds very clean with good amount punch and tons of clarity and very good separation. i know it's just words and my opinion but i probably wouldn't doubt other people would disagree with me if they were here at my place as well with my gear.
post #254 of 581

And this is a tautological debate now. Without measurements you can't really expand on "good" or "better" and (unfortunately for us) your assurance means nothing (it's too inherently rooted in your own perception; which nobody shares with you - you may be spot-on for what I, or someone else, likes, or you may be completely out in left field; it's not any sort of judgment of you, because your perception works for your needs) - the science disagrees as a result. Anyways, glad to hear someone else enjoys their SA5000!

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Originally Posted by Szadzik View Post

Full potential - take what is good about a headphone and make it better.

 

 

I have an amplifier and have had a few good headphones - I can assure you it makes a difference, regardless of whether you think it does or not.

 

 

 


Edited by obobskivich - 4/19/12 at 8:15am
post #255 of 581

 

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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post

And this is a tautological debate now. Without measurements you can't really expand on "good" or "better" and (unfortunately for us) your assurance means nothing (it's too inherently rooted in your own perception; which nobody shares with you - you may be spot-on for what I, or someone else, likes, or you may be completely out in left field; it's not any sort of judgment of you, because your perception works for your needs) - the science disagrees as a result. Anyways, glad to hear someone else enjoys their SA5000!

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Originally Posted by Szadzik View Post

Full potential - take what is good about a headphone and make it better.

 

 

 

 

It does not matter what I like about the phones or how I perceive them. It only matter that I want to make it better.It might mean that for one person driving to full potential means something different than for another person. I do not think however, that out perceptions are so different that full potential will mean similar things in the end. Is it not the speed and clarity that we all like about SA5ks? If so, driving to full potential means enhancing clarity and speed, is that bad?

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