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post #9481 of 9490
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Originally Posted by Martel View Post
 

Hi all,

My first post here.

I bought the Q701 yesterday and just started using them tonight.

I had a very interesting first date with Mr. Quincy Jones Signature Reference Headphones and I think its appropriate to tell the whole thing for you to understand where I'm at with them.

But first, I think it would be more appropriate to let you know a bit about me.
I'm a 36 y/o French Canadian. Former Studio Engineer. Started working with big pop star in my province in 1999 but it didnt last long. I burned myself taking too much project at the same time trying to do the studio sessions with the artists and also do the mixing in a very short amount of time. What resulted is me not sleeping much for the time it lasted ....and then burnout.

I've always been interested in Rap instrumental production and later on in Electronic production.
As a Rap producer I always had to dig for records so of course I've listened to a lot of Soul, Jazz and Funk. 

Now back to the Headphones;

First I made an extensive research on the Q701 compared them to the HD600 and DT880.
I was very curious when people pointed out that the AKG were in a world of their own in the Spatial stage side.
I was also concerned when people were saying that they were uncomfortable.

Well, what came next was totaly unexpected for me.

After buying them, I came back home and installed Equalizer APO with Peace GUI. Sat in front of my TV and pluged the HDMI in and started to play with the Equalizer APO.
I was not hearing anything the EQ was doing so I decided to crank to subs freq by 20 db and the 12K+ b 20 db aswell then got tired.... closed the EQ and went to bed.
That was Yesterday.



After my shift today, I opened up the Headphone Box and brought out my new baby....I was very excited.
So I plugged them in my UR28M and thought....men, I know they are not broken yet but I'm gonna have the experience of a life time.
So I plug my Quincy....put them on the desk and put a Bill Evans Flac play list in VLC and press play
I leave and  go to the fridge, take myself a cold one and come back to the desk.
Sit on my comfy chair with a huge smile and put the quincy's on......
First I thought....hummmm, I've never noticed the acoustic Bass of Lafaro was that strong and deep....but i was like DAMN boy.....INTENSE !!!
And after 2-3 track I was like...dude wtf...... The mid were being compressed by the sub freq and I thought....theres NO ....FREAKIN..... WAY they mixed it this way....my headphone are defect !!!
Then I've took a look at the Freq response from Headroom ive previously downloaded.....made no sense at all.....6 db large Q at 90 would never do THAT much of a pumping effect on the sub freq.
And then BANG...it HIT me......the Equalizer APO...PALMFACE !!!!
 
So I went back in it. applied the proper correction based on the Freq Response of Headroom website.

Ended up with a more decent line and something I could rely to when talking about ''reference material''

So after all that....I've been listening to them for the last 4 hours now.
I know I need at least another 40-50 hours in them but I can say those things so far.

Where the F#WK is my Mid / Side spectrum is supposed to start and end in this ....UNIVERSE !!!
But more then that.....wheres my mid / mono representation in there....its not there...its absent...where is it ? oh, there it is ....that little quiet thing in the front.
And where does my pan effect goes.....of there it is.....from Japan to New York passing threw the middle of the earth....GREAT  !!!

So to stop my bad ironic Metaphor and go right to the point......I've never experienced anything like this before.
I'm not saying those are bad references at all....what I'm saying is that they are bringing a whole new experience and so a whole new learning curve to my brain.
The spatial range is not ellipsoidal anymore.....its like a super 8 or an omni curve on my rode K2 haha...what the hell is that ?
Who thought about that ...where am I supposed to start with this ....
Waow, thats going to be one hell of a trip.
I feel kind of sad not having anything at all In front of me in the mix anymore....its like if i lost my baby arm....

Finally, to put my emotions aside, Heres my impression of the Headphones after Equalizer APO correction and 4 hours of listening.
( I'm writing this listening to Philip Glass Koyaanisqatsi sound track. )

Comfort: 10/10
Spatial range 12 /10
Dynamic Range (avg full spetrum) 7.5/10

Representation:
Sub freq (until 30hz) : 9/10
Lows 7/10 ( too much )
Low mids 8/10 ( a tad too much )
Mids 9/10 ( pushed back but well balanced )
high mids 8/10 ( I love cream )
High 6/10 ( wheres my snare ??? )
Brillance 8/10 ( cute )
Air 2/10 ( good bye tape hiss , I miss you already )

Overall, I think I can work with that.

It'll be one hell of a challenge tho'

Thanks for reading and cant wait to read your review aswell.

JF 

PS
My Equalizer APO Settings :

GraphicEQ: 1 -50; 3 -50; 4 -50; 20 0; 30 0; 40 -1.5; 50 -3; 60 -3.9; 70 -4; 80 -4; 90 -4.8; 100 -5; 200 -5.8; 300 -5; 400 -4; 500 -2.5; 600 -1.5; 700 -1; 800 -0.8; 1000 0; 1600 0; 2000 -2; 3000 3; 4000 3; 5000 3; 6000 -3; 7000 -3; 8000 -3; 9000 0; 12500 11; 21000 0

Pre-amp : -11db
 

I think you may be the first person to say the Q701s have too much bass

post #9482 of 9490
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Originally Posted by CCXR594 View Post
 

I think you may be the first person to say the Q701s have too much bass

No I was on the same boat when I first got them long time ago, mind you the first "hifi" audio product I ever owned was the etymotic er4pt... The q701 was very bassy compared to the balanced armatures of the etymotics, the mid bass was what stood out most to me, and it took some time to adjust to them. I think they are fairly neutral in the bass region now, although lacking in the very lower bass regions

post #9483 of 9490
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Originally Posted by Martel View Post

Welcome to headfi, very nice headphone you chose there and interesting impressions. I think you should consider listening to them first without any EQ, I really don't think your EQ setting is ideal. You said they are lacking a bit in the mids but you gave them a 2dB cut at 2khz, the only EQing really required for the Q701 for me is a mild boost at 2khz and vocals sound amazing on them. The q701 is a great first headphone but with a very unique and polarizing sound that will definitely take some time to get used to. The large soundstage and upper mids are some of the largest strengths of the Q701 with a well embodied and quick mid bass being a secondary strength.

I am curious on why you feel the q701 highs are lacking, for me they are on the upper limit of what I would consider good for a headphone, but they have great detail because of it

post #9484 of 9490

@ Martel

 

This earpads don't look as original pads. 

I own an Q701 too and the diameter from those are the same as K701, K702, K712 use.

 

The pads from K712 are not angled. If you have a chance buy the spare part pads from K712 and put them on your Q701 - you will pleased.

post #9485 of 9490

Morning Guys,

Thanks for your replies.

I was also VERY surprised, I know my review is not usual but let me adress eah concern properly and try give you a reason / comparison why I heard those things.

 

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Originally Posted by CCXR594 View Post
 

I think you may be the first person to say the Q701s have too much bass

After reading the DT880 and HD600 review I also really tought I would experienced something with a lacking bass so the Headroom frequency response graph made no sense to me first because as a Sound Engineer, a +6 db large Q @ 110hz going from 3khz to 30hz is definetly what we would be calling ''warm'' and not absent like others proposed when talking about the Q701 vs HD600  or DT880. ( So In a certain way, I'm very happy not to have chosen the others. I never thought Beats by Dr Dre were a reference headphone and booming or uneven cans are useless to me and if i feel the Q701areover bassy before my correction, i can only imagine how pissed I would have been listening to the 2 other pairs.  )


+6b for us ( sound engineer ) is 2 perceived unit level wich mean that each 3 db you gain or retract give you the impression of removing or adding a unit a volume level....( hope I didnt lose you there, I'm sorry, I'm very technical when listening to music ) 


Also, I need to point out that because of my former job, I dont ''listen'' to music anymore....I would love to be able to just sit and enjoy music for what it is but I cant .... I dont know how anymore.
To me , a Track sound like a mix of instrument in a space with different level and effect on top. I've been analyzing music for the past ....20 years or so. So to be back to the ''me saying theres too much bass''. theres 2 option here given theres no car...no reference monitor and no environment whatsoever in the world that brought that much ''mid lows, Lows and sub freq'' to my ear drums and my experience was totally unnatural and unreferential before the EQing .
Option 1: I have a defect product 
Option 2: I dont have audiophile ears that would be looking for pleasing Headphones ( On the other hand, I still can recognize a decently balanced system )  I'm looking for critical Headphones
Hope it clarify why I'm saying its too ''bassy'' or ''creamy'' or ''muffed''

 

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Originally Posted by akg fanboy View Post
 

Welcome to headfi, very nice headphone you chose there and interesting impressions. I think you should consider listening to them first without any EQ, I really don't think your EQ setting is ideal. You said they are lacking a bit in the mids but you gave them a 2dB cut at 2khz, the only EQing really required for the Q701 for me is a mild boost at 2khz and vocals sound amazing on them. The q701 is a great first headphone but with a very unique and polarizing sound that will definitely take some time to get used to. The large soundstage and upper mids are some of the largest strengths of the Q701 with a well embodied and quick mid bass being a secondary strength.

I am curious on why you feel the q701 highs are lacking, for me they are on the upper limit of what I would consider good for a headphone, but they have great detail because of it


Hi good Sir, thank you for receiving me. 
It's 6 am here. Let me grab a coffee and put the 4 season of Vivaldi by itzhak Perlman that must be one of the best recording ever made of the concerto opus 8 and put my Quincy's back on for another test this morning . I have a very nice 24b96k that i've listened countless time. this should do the trick this morning for my testing purpose.

First of all, I need to tell you what i've listened to yesterday:
Bill Evans - You must believe in Spring (16 bit Flac 2003 from warner bros records)
Common - Electric Circus (16 bit Flac from MCA records )
Bob Marley - Legends ( 16 bit 1984 from Island records )
Celia Cruz - Exitos Externos ( 16 bit 2004 Universal Music Canada )
J Dilla - Donuts  ( 16 bit 2006 Stone Throws)

Also you mentioned me removing 2db in the 2k area and that is based on the ''headroom right between your ears'' frequency response. You might find a graph pretty easily.
Anyways, 2k's seems to be missing not necessarily in the freq range but more in the SPL realm. 


So today is going to be a totaly different experience as I aim to listen to the realism of the imagery and dynamic response of Organic instrument in a natural environment with one of the best reording in the classical realm. Just to put things clear, I've heard about 10 concerto in churches and cathedrals in my life so I have a pretty good Idea of what to expect in those specific point.

Here's my todays review :

First lets talk frequencies:
Violon and Viola are very well balanced except for the air its lacking for the room and the attack is creamy and not pointy and agressive as should be clearly heard in some specific part of Spring allegro )

The Cello seems to be the most well represented here....a bit in the back to the right....very pleasing sound .....might lack a bit of highs/air again because im not hearing any type of bow swing or movement
Bass is awesome very well supporting the full ensemble like it should
The harpsichord is pointy but again lacking this air resonance it should definitely be expressing given its hard attack nature.
Overall, with my settings, it appears to me that the 2k to 30hz freq range seems to be well represented but might lack some Dynamic range in some very specific area like the 1k-2k but very obviously in the 8k to 12k area.
But the way my EQ is setup so far , My mid lows to sub freq are realistic.....the general freq response description i could give is Creamy so far.....and I'm not sure its a good thing. 

Now for the imaging ......oh my god....no no no and no.

First lets start smooth.
In the summer Adagio , I can clearly ear the Violon in the front (5 degree right section).Thats cool....isolated instrument can be pointed out in my Mid/center section of my imagery.
Now further into the same song. ( big props to the mid lows on the Violon 1:00 mark solo and the imagery givingme mr Perlman playing in my face only for me ( thanks AKG that was awesome))
My bass are in the back, my cello are very wide but my violons sometime reach the 270 degrees and 90degrees section .
My harpsichord on Autumn allegro even reach the 115 degree mark.....
It was not recorded and mixed for a 360 degree experience.
Its very obvious theres a ''flaw'' in here.....
Classical recording are mixed for a 90 to 135 degree experience ( in those years ).....this make no sense to my brain......,I'm not suposed to be the conductor.....I'm suposed to be the listener.
Imagery is very VERY weird to me.
I had the same experience yesterday and it was even more difficult to listen to my center channel when listening to Rap songs where it seemed almost completely absent in the loudest part.

So far I'm not disapointed but I'm concerned that those Headphones might not be suitable for a decent all around reference cans. But i could definitely use it in some specific area once my brain learn how they transmit.

Thanks for the follow up guys, talking with you guys might help me understand whats going on and why its so different to all i've ever heard.
I really want and need to learn how those cans work.....it make no sense right now.

Have a wonderful day guys

JF

   
 


Edited by Martel - 12/3/16 at 6:21am
post #9486 of 9490

If their is one thing i know well about this headphone it loves a lot of juice feeding mine with PIONEER SX-3700 with a speaker taps/resistor network it's a match.

post #9487 of 9490
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Originally Posted by i luvmusic 2 View Post
 

If their is one thing i know well about this headphone it loves a lot of juice feeding mine with PIONEER SX-3700 with a speaker taps/resistor network it's a match.

Thats a very interesting note.
I'm currently setup with a very dramatic EQ setup in Equalizer APO but i compensate with my UR28M headphone knob being at full capacity.
It gives me a very comfortable volume level that I could not point out as quiet nor loud.  
On the other hand, I put that same knob at 3 Pm....the volume is still very aceptable but I think, like you said, that I'm missing on a little bit of details , specialy in the upper frequency part.
 

post #9488 of 9490

Feed this HP properly and you'll be amazed how big the soundstage and how much detail you can get from this headphone.I don't used EQ for my current setup(not that i'am against it).

post #9489 of 9490
Don't know if I posted this before.

The main DSP I decided to stick with for the Q701 is this:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/811837/natural-crossfeed-on-headphones-earphones-for-foobar2000-v2-1-major-update-made-public

Pretty nice, and in most cases made the Q701's soundstage seem insignificant. :P
post #9490 of 9490

Yesterday I bought myself Carlos Kleiber symph 5 and 7 of Beethoven and Lisa Batiashvili - Tchaikovsky & Sibelius Violin Concertos.

I used the Sonarworks and the K701 average preset and i felt it brought me closer but didnt fix the Air issue.
So I had to use some very specific plugin inside my DAW to bring me closer to the sound i think im looking for.
Sonarworks first had some phasing issues so I had to put the plugin to Linear phase but cost me 60ms ......pretty big latency for a plugin used to track mix and master.


This  morning I bought Glenn Gould on Bach Goldberg Variation (the 1951 version stereo remastered version ) and the Peter Schreier Mozart Requiem.

 

The Glenn Gould performance was very interesting and it was fun to hear him whisper singing and move on his bench but the overall recording quality was poor even tho' it was a 16 bit 44.1.
I suspect a bad recording on the original mono tape to be the issue.
Very interesting point of listening too...not usual but its kind of cool to be seated 6-12 feet from the actual piano.


For the Peter Schreier....its just flawless....a perfect balance of vocals and instrument. I could hear a good amount of 'ESS'' when one of the ladies was singing and the imagery was superb.
Felt like I was in the balcony and they were all at 50 feet with very subtle echo in the room.

I think i'm starting to get use to them, specialy with correction.

I tried them without correction yesterday and they are still way too muddy for me....WAY too much

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