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Not to say that you MUST find depth in your K/Q701s don't get me wrong. It can be that the headphone doesn't fit you well physically, or sonically. As I've said before, the perception of soundstage is a really complex and subjective topic.
Just give them the benefit of doubt if you haven't tried them on a more refined setup yet. I might surprise you!

 

PS. Yeah, I've been quite skeptical about differences between different quality SS amps, don't blame you if you're still like I was before having quite a few amplifiers to compare. Differences are there, not huge for sure, but sometimes a little difference can make a big impact on how we perceive fine details in the deep of our recordings.

 

I knew the 701 was falling out of my favor when I started noticing how annoying the headband bumps are.  "Hmm, how come those didn't annoy me before?" lol.

 

A better sound card soon is a possibility, just out of curiosity and to have a stronger amp available if nothing else, but an external amp better than an E09k or similar would require more reading and convincing at this time.  

 

I'd love to get more depth out of the 701 since the rest of it sounds so interesting and different.  It's getting harder to enjoy them musically, but I guess I enjoy them more on an analytical level anyway.  The Q701 is like a fast car you only use at the track.  It's not well-mannered enough to drive every day, but you keep it around just so once in a while you can use it and say, "Wow, that's crazy."  :k701smile:  

 

Obviously some people love using them all the time.  Maybe doing the full bass mod again will make them more interesting.  It's funny listening to a 701 and turning the bass down.

 

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Originally Posted by Liu Junyuan View Post
 

This is kind of an issue with the K701 and Q701, sort of like you have these wide search lights coming from your ears without as much depth. 

 

The K7XX addresses this problem imo, if you want to stay on the AKG route. I love both.

 

And then there's that.  There's a review around here or somewhere though that says the K7XX is smaller soundstage and like an AKG HD600/HD650, and that it no longer has what makes the K and Q special in the first place.  Guess more reading is in order.

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I knew the 701 was falling out of my favor when I started noticing how annoying the headband bumps are.  "Hmm, how come those didn't annoy me before?" lol.

A better sound card soon is a possibility, just out of curiosity and to have a stronger amp available if nothing else, but an external amp better than an E09k or similar would require more reading and convincing at this time.  

I'd love to get more depth out of the 701 since the rest of it sounds so interesting and different.  It's getting harder to enjoy them musically, but I guess I enjoy them more on an analytical level anyway.  The Q701 is like a fast car you only use at the track.  It's not well-mannered enough to drive every day, but you keep it around just so once in a while you can use it and say, "Wow, that's crazy."  k701smile.gif  

Obviously some people love using them all the time.  Maybe doing the full bass mod again will make them more interesting.  It's funny listening to a 701 and turning the bass down.


And then there's that.  There's a review around here or somewhere though that says the K7XX is smaller soundstage and like an AKG HD600/HD650, and that it no longer has what makes the K and Q special in the first place.  Guess more reading is in order.

I'd agree with that, although, the soundfield becomes wider as the cans breakin. Still not as wide as K702, but significantly better than HD600. In terms of the depth of the sound filed, K7XX sounds the deepest, at first, I believe due to its subdued highs. After extended listening, I can't tell a real difference next to K702. The K7XX also needs a hefty amplified to bring out bass depth and to get rid of the upper/mid-bass bloat, and to flesh out its dynamics.

FWIW, I own all these. ^^^
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Positioning helps on the Sony MA900.  Probably because the drivers are so close to the ears.  I haven't noticed much difference on the 701s.

I assume my amps will get the blame since I use a Xonar DG and a handful of old stereo receivers.  The receiver made a noticeable difference over the DG with the HD580.  They sound good on the DG, but on the receiver they gain some 3-D'ness and are more alive.  (I'd have to A-B again, but I think DT990 only had a slight bass quality improvement.)  Could the receiver be enough for the HD580 but not for the 701?  Maybe.  But the receiver only needs to be less than 1/4 volume to make me deaf.  And there's a lot of comments about 701 being "dry."  And there are comments like this:


He goes on to say, and I've seen other people say similar, about some amps coloring the sound, but comments about depth changes are less common.
Indeed, the FiiO E5 was a pretty entry-level device in sound quality and power, adequate for the AD700 but not the Q701.

The tube amp itself was not only more powerful, but also more articulate and better at controlling the Q701 drivers, increasing the perceived degree of how textured near and far audio "instruments" sound. The two favorite tubes I use most often also seem to emphasize a slightly more laid-back depth (kind of like the harmonic resonance que #3 mentioned in the earlier quoted article), which synergizes well with... Well, to my taste, almost every headphone benefits from an increased perception of depth and an amp detailed/articulate enough to distinguish near-far-further.

The DACs I use are also more detailed than the decent-but-entry-level one built into the Asus DG, further aiding in delineating different "layers" or depths of a sound.

Also, many movie soundtracks are not near-miked, but actual sound effects and dialogue usually are close-miked either in post production or with a shotgun mic giving nearby just out of frame. A minimally miked live recording of music carries great natural acoustic info of how the sound travelled through space to get to the mic, creating a great soundstage. Rock recordings and especially Pop are usually one mic at each instrument and mixed together in post production by an audio engineer, those usually don't have great soundstage cues.
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Originally Posted by DangerClose View Post
 

 

I knew the 701 was falling out of my favor when I started noticing how annoying the headband bumps are.  "Hmm, how come those didn't annoy me before?" lol.

 

A better sound card soon is a possibility, just out of curiosity and to have a stronger amp available if nothing else, but an external amp better than an E09k or similar would require more reading and convincing at this time.  

 

I'd love to get more depth out of the 701 since the rest of it sounds so interesting and different.  It's getting harder to enjoy them musically, but I guess I enjoy them more on an analytical level anyway.  The Q701 is like a fast car you only use at the track.  It's not well-mannered enough to drive every day, but you keep it around just so once in a while you can use it and say, "Wow, that's crazy."  :k701smile: 

 

I didn't have the pleasure of trying AKG's infamous bumps!

 

In my experience, the right recordings (typically the best of the best) sound very well through K702.

 

"Thousand Shades of Blue" by Carmen Gomez Inc. (SoundLiaison) was mixed using K702 / HD800 and +20k dollar speakers.

 

"A Kiss in the Dark" by Alexis Cole (Chesky) sounds very well through K702

Samples here: http://www.hdtracks.com/alexis-cole-a-kiss-in-the-dark

 

"Songs From the 17th Ward" by Amber Rubarth (Chesky)

Samples here: http://www.hdtracks.com/sessions-from-the-17th-ward-binaural-134421

 

On the other hand most of those 'just ok' recordings, can sound boring, flawed or even lifeless.

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