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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post
 

I think the Q has a hole in the centre regardless. It's an interesting contrast to the HD 650 which has a pretty strong central image but doesn't sound nearly as wide overall.

That is possible, I haven't heard the Q701 in a long time, I'll need to revisit it sometime. They may of retuned it a bit on the newer models as AKG does have a tendency to silently change the K7 series. The HD 650 does have a strong central image and good depth as does the K712. I always found the HD 650 to have good depth soundstage wise, but width varies widely on the system with it. It could be that the center hole isn't very noticeable until you put on other headphones, it wasn't till I switched back to the K712(I didn't have any other comparable headphones to the Q701 back then), that the center image bothered me.


Edited by kman1211 - 3/19/15 at 12:48pm
post #8717 of 8730
The centre image of the Q did improve when fed from a Project Ember so power seems to help it.
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Link for anyone who is interested in differences between the Q701's (at least the newer Made in China versions) and the standard K702: http://www.head-fi.org/t/430984/akg-k702-impressions/225#post_11430162

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Originally Posted by K_19 View Post

Link for anyone who is interested in differences between the Q701's (at least the newer Made in China versions) and the standard K702: http://www.head-fi.org/t/430984/akg-k702-impressions/225#post_11430162

Very interesting. I've tried K612 pads on my K702 (angled pads) and the two do not sound alike. It's a shame that AKG chose to alter the design. As for the foam, open-cell, it only affects the highs and the mids, stopping short at the lower mids. No effect on the bass. The foam isn't think enough.

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Edited by Shaffer - 3/20/15 at 7:56pm
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Originally Posted by Shaffer View Post

Very interesting. I've tried K612 pads on my K702 (angled pads) and the two do not sound alike. It's a shame that AKG chose to alter the design. As for the foam, open-cell, it only affects the highs and the mids, stopping short at the lower mids. No effect on the bass. The foam isn't think enough.

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I have noticed the foam doughnuts over the driver don't effect the bass, basically just the highs and upper portion of the mids as you said. On my K712, I put the AKG K240 foam cut into a doughnut shape as well as the stock foams over it and all that changed was the highs and upper mids and it was to my liking, it's smoother and cleaner sounding without any negative effects to my ears. The K712 has plenty of bass, so no need for me to increase it.
post #8721 of 8730

How much does amplification effect the soundstage in general?
 

post #8722 of 8730

IME, amping helps more with creating a stronger image, which can make the soundstage appear as though it has opened up. Also, louder volumes = bigger stage. Going from a laptop or phone to a dedicated amp should help relax the stage and declutter boundries.

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So my friend bought one of those Chinese 1.5m xlr to mini cables from ebay just for sole purpose of replacing that ridiculous neon green cable (your tastes may vary of course), as well as getting a shorter cable (as the amp is typically right beside him) and I must say its quite nicely made, black braid on the outer sheath with red cable inside... Tangle free and decent flexibility overall, with very sturdy looking metal jack on both ends. Not a fan of spring strain relief but that's just a personal thing and about my only complaint about it.

Sound wise, I'm more of a cable agnostic kind of guy but it perhaps seems like there is less of that 2k peak and more laid back sound overall... But that could easily be just my mind playing with me so take that part with a grain of salt. Overall, I don't notice much difference from the stock.

Overall this is quite a nice cable alternative for K/Q series and I think I'll be purchasing one for my K702 also, if anything just to get bit shorter of a cable. Highly recommended for anyone looking for alternative cables for the Q/K's even if you don't believe in sound differences... Or even if you are between the fence type of person on the issue, this is a cheap way to try it out for yourself. Can't go wrong with $20~30 + free shipping!


Edited by K_19 - Yesterday at 3:21 pm
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To get a shorter cable, I just braided it. Can't go wrong for free, all it takes is about 20 minutes of your time.
post #8725 of 8730
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Originally Posted by K_19 View Post

So my friend bought one of those Chinese 1.5m xlr to mini cables from ebay just for sole purpose of replacing that ridiculous neon green cable (your tastes may vary of course), as well as getting a shorter cable (as the amp is typically right beside him) and I must say its quite nicely made, black braid on the outer sheath with red cable inside... Tangle free and decent flexibility overall, with very sturdy looking metal jack on both ends. Not a fan of spring strain relief but that's just a personal thing and about my only complaint about it.

Sound wise, I'm more of a cable agnostic kind of guy but it perhaps seems like there is less of that 2k peak and more laid back sound overall... But that could easily be just my mind playing with me so take that part with a grain of salt. Overall, I don't notice much difference from the stock.

Overall this is quite a nice cable alternative for K/Q series and I think I'll be purchasing one for my K702 also, if anything just to get bit shorter of a cable. Highly recommended for anyone looking for alternative cables for the Q/K's even if you don't believe in sound differences... Or even if you are between the fence type of person on the issue, this is a cheap way to try it out for yourself. Can't go wrong with $20~30 + free shipping!
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Curious if they got the wiring correct.  Do you have a way to force the balance left and right?

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Curious if they got the wiring correct.  Do you have a way to force the balance left and right?

Not sure exactly what you mean here, but the volume balance is good and L/R sides are both going to the right channels if any of that was what you were asking...
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Originally Posted by K_19 View Post

Not sure exactly what you mean here, but the volume balance is good and L/R sides are both going to the right channels if any of that was what you were asking...

 

AKG usually reverses the pins internally compared to the "standard" (mini)XLR pinouts.  For example, when I had Redco make me a cable for my Q701s, it came wired the standard way, which meant the left channel ended up in my right ear, and vice versa.  I only discovered it when I started researching how to make my own cable.  Lots of people mentioned it, and sure enough, my Q701s are wired that way.  I used a multimeter to test the TRS ends and the mini-XLR ends, and it is indeed wired to compensate for the internal wiring in the cans.

 

No need to use a multimeter, of course.  I used Winamp's balance slider to basically mute one channel, then the other.  When I slid it all the way to the left, which should have output sound only to my left ear, it went to my right.  When I slid it to the right, sound ended up in my left ear.  Not Redco's fault, of course.  I didn't know to tell them about AKG's little quirk.

 

So, just curious if the eBay cable maker is aware of that and got it right.  It's a simple test, as long as you have an app or device with a balance adjuster.

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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

AKG usually reverses the pins internally compared to the "standard" (mini)XLR pinouts.  For example, when I had Redco make me a cable for my Q701s, it came wired the standard way, which meant the left channel ended up in my right ear, and vice versa.  I only discovered it when I started researching how to make my own cable.  Lots of people mentioned it, and sure enough, my Q701s are wired that way.  I used a multimeter to test the TRS ends and the mini-XLR ends, and it is indeed wired to compensate for the internal wiring in the cans.

 

No need to use a multimeter, of course.  I used Winamp's balance slider to basically mute one channel, then the other.  When I slid it all the way to the left, which should have output sound only to my left ear, it went to my right.  When I slid it to the right, sound ended up in my left ear.  Not Redco's fault, of course.  I didn't know to tell them about AKG's little quirk.

 

So, just curious if the eBay cable maker is aware of that and got it right.  It's a simple test, as long as you have an app or device with a balance adjuster.

 

I just tried it with the Matrix Mixer plugin on Foobar (seems to be the only straightforward plugin that does this) by trying both L and R channels on 0 instead of 1 (which shuts the corresponding channel out completely) and the orientation never shifted, the L stayed on L and R stayed on R, so it seems as if the maker got that correct.

post #8729 of 8730
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Originally Posted by K_19 View Post
 

I just tried it with the Matrix Mixer plugin on Foobar (seems to be the only straightforward plugin that does this) by trying both L and R channels on 0 instead of 1 (which shuts the corresponding channel out completely) and the orientation never shifted, the L stayed on L and R stayed on R, so it seems as if the maker got that correct.

That's good to know, esp. for others considering a purchase.  :beerchug: for service to the community :)

post #8730 of 8730

I build a Q701 cable only to find out it is wired reversed but it's a easy fix reveres it from the TRS jack.

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