Originally Posted by Soymilk
so it seems like it stock it's on the colder side but the bass port mod moves it to the warmer side? sounds pretty good to me :)
have you tried the bass port mod combined with k712 pads?
You could say that, but stock it's never really cold/analytical itself. The bass mod definitely made it sounds much fuller in the mids. Graphs seem to say otherwise, but that's what I hear!
This stock Q701 with a good amp/dac can be sort of chameleon like (but NOT like the DT-880!). Sometimes how warm/cold it is depends on the actual recording. I've always said that sometimes with REALLY horrible tracks it can sound like an AD700(!) and on others almost like an HD-650. It's that accurate to me. The KRKs were also like this. The stock Q701 is nice because it doesn't seem to add much warmth to recordings that are already warm. For example, some of the Pearl Jam stuff or even Buena Vista Social Club. I didn't really notice all this much until I upgraded from the Modi/ODAC to the Micro DAC (which is very very revealing IMO). ODAC and Modi are not as revealing as I once thought, which is a HUGE plus. This is probably one reason the Modi might take sort of an edge off the T90 or HD-800. The T90 was almost annoying on my Micro DAC, but quite musical on the Modi! This was actually the first time I felt the Modi wasn't enough for a headphone and sort of held it back. Modi is great though still.
Very warm recordings often seem congested on my HD-650, but that's rare. Sometimes when I listen to the Q701 it's almost like you can hear the equipment/room/mic that was used to make the recording. Not as easily as the T90 or DT-880 though. With those I found a massive variation between songs due to just that. Usually when I found myself disliking the DT-880 it was due to a poor recording that sounded too flat/dull. Like the life was sucked out of the track. I can't really explain it well. I think it had to do with bitrates which made the recording sound worse. Almost like it compressed things that should be more audible. Ever notice that some tracks have like NO soundstage in the recording?
Harsh/fatiguing material is actually made a LITTLE easier on the ears for me with the Q701. It's not what i'd call a forgiving headphone but I never found the Q701 to fall under the analytical category. Maybe a mix between that and sometimes more musical like the HD-650. The Q701 sounds more like a mix of the HD-650 and OLD K702! Bad/harsh tracks sound bad on it but not made any worse (for me).
Oh and strangely enough the modded Q701 sounds more detailed and revealing to me than stock. I'll never be able to explain that one! It also sounds much clearer, yet it's even fuller sounding! Those two things don't always go together. Definitely not with the HD-650!
As for the K712 pads on the modded Q701..it was TERRIBLE! Warmth overdose (very congested), but with some music it sounded great. It might be perfect for rock music or something. If I was not comfortable modding the Q701 the K712 pads might get you close to the sound! You should mod the stock Q701 further to perfect it's sound with K712 pads. My idea was to make it a little less open. Maybe sort of like blocking off a tiny more air getting to the driver. I'd experiment but the K712 pads are too expensive and probably not in stock.
K712 is still fuller sounding than the modded Q701, but just barely. The K712 seems just a tad better with some vocals. Modded Q701 sounded smoother overall to me though At least when it came to treble and upper mids. People say that the K712 has less upper mids and treble than the Q701 but I don't agree! Depends on the tracks. Some stuff is annoying on the Q701 and other stuff only on the K712. I never knew this, but even too forward low mids can be fatiguing for me. I've only heard this once or twice. It was the Sennheiser PX100-II and Philips Downtown. Oh and the "Annie" sometimes. Makes sense because of the flatter pads.
EDIT: My Q701 could have been smoother only due to having 1000000 hours of use on it. Let's not go there though!
Edited by tdockweiler - 5/20/14 at 4:42pm