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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post


Most people listen to music via loudspeakers, so why mix & master using headphones?



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Fair enough.

You could also argue that a good mix sound sound give via cheap and expensive loudspeakers and via headphones!
Especially since more and more people are listing to music via some kind of headphone or IEM.
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I wasn't reducing the digital volume.

 

The effect I'm referring to was reducing the volume on a completely analog headphone amp (i.e. volume reduction in the analog realm).

I often use a CD player into a DAC, there's no way to reduce the digital volume even if I wanted to.

Or I use an iPod into a digital dock, there's still no way to reduce the volume via DSP even if I want to.

 

I find it's easier to listen at low levels without reducing detail with the better DAC I just purchased.

The DAC I used before didn't sound very good unless I turned the volume up.  

The DAC before that was just plain foggy with really good 'phones.

That's all I was saying...:o 

I have also found that using a lower quality digital source requires me to up the ante on the volume. I recently found the FiiO E17 the antithesis of detail, even compared to my tablet output. I could hear a very slight improvement from my iPhone 4S, but, to my ears, it was not worth shelling out 129 bucks. I returned it as soon as I got it for a full refund because I had already heard much more competent, less pricey dac and amp setups. One of those that comes to mind, by the way, was a HiFiMeDIY Sabre dac and Objective 2 combo. 

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I have a similar commentary on the Fiio E18. While it's well capable of driving the Q's the level of detail when compared to my ODAC/O2 is just not on the same level. Of course the E18 is truly portable compared to the ODAC/O2. If I could find the portability of the E18 with the sound quality of the ODAC/O2 I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
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How were you using your e18? Cell phone or computer?
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post

I have a similar commentary on the Fiio E18. While it's well capable of driving the Q's the level of detail when compared to my ODAC/O2 is just not on the same level. Of course the E18 is truly portable compared to the ODAC/O2. If I could find the portability of the E18 with the sound quality of the ODAC/O2 I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
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From my phone via OTG USB. There should be no difference.
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I have also found that using a lower quality digital source requires me to up the ante on the volume. I recently found the FiiO E17 the antithesis of detail, even compared to my tablet output. I could hear a very slight improvement from my iPhone 4S, but, to my ears, it was not worth shelling out 129 bucks. I returned it as soon as I got it for a full refund because I had already heard much more competent, less pricey dac and amp setups. One of those that comes to mind, by the way, was a HiFiMeDIY Sabre dac and Objective 2 combo. 

For example, I found that an E17 was not as open sounding and detailed as an iBasso D12 DAC.
The Beresford Bushmaster Mk II is even more detailed than the iBasso D12.

But the E17 was a worthwhile addition to my old HP notebook computer, the HP had a horrible sounding headphone jack, dark, muted, muddy.
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post


Most people listen to music via loudspeakers, so why mix & master using headphones?

I've invested far more into my loudspeaker system than headphone rig, and even I doubt this argument. Headphone users are a major segment and on the rise for a variety of reasons.

 

IMO it would normally take a lot of money on a loudspeaker rig with acoustic treatment to get the extra things loudspeakers bring - like imaging, sound stage and visceral bass - without losing ground to a good pair of headphones on things like coherence, dynamics and loudness, bass and detail across the frequency spectrum.


Edited by darrenyeats - 4/6/14 at 5:41am
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Headphones are one of the few industries to have bucked any recession. Sales continue to rise & rise. Just sayin'.
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I've invested far more into my loudspeaker system than headphone rig, and even I doubt this argument. Headphone users are a major segment and on the rise for a variety of reasons.

IMO it would normally take a lot of money on a loudspeaker rig with acoustic treatment to get the extra things loudspeakers bring - like imaging, sound stage and visceral bass - without losing ground to a good pair of headphones on things like coherence, dynamics and loudness, bass and detail across the frequency spectrum.

People listen to headphones in their cars?
People use headphones in movie theatres?
While watching TV?
At clubs?

BTW, one of the reasons why near field monitors are used is to reduce room effects.
Anyway, you seem to be ignoring my point.
post #6416 of 7724
Not at all. I don't see it as either/or. Mixing and mastering with headphones in addition to speakers is a very good idea ... and many engineers do so.

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Just got my Q701 yesterday and my FiiO X5 will be coming in soon! A friend of mine suggested that i get a JDS Labs C5, has anyone tried the Q with the C5?


Edited by hermi - 4/6/14 at 7:57am
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Hmmm... I've been looking at the X5 too. It seems to tick a lot of boxes for not too much dosh.
post #6419 of 7724
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post

I have a similar commentary on the Fiio E18. While it's well capable of driving the Q's the level of detail when compared to my ODAC/O2 is just not on the same level. Of course the E18 is truly portable compared to the ODAC/O2. If I could find the portability of the E18 with the sound quality of the ODAC/O2 I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

 

I think this is the point for the JDS Labs C5D.  I don't know if the EU guys make one like that tho...

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I think this is the point for the JDS Labs C5D.  I don't know if the EU guys make one like that tho...

It's not. I did tons of research into the C5D and the general consensus was that it had little in common with the ODAC / O2 sonically.
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