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Thank you NEC3! Any ideas on how this will do with the vali amp?
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Originally Posted by theOmni View Post

Thank you NEC3! Any ideas on how this will do with the vali amp?

Hehe, sorry I was ignoring you because I thought someone with knowledge with a vali amp and q701 would answer sooner. I can only imagine clarity and speed will be more refined.

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This one's only $57.  Throw in the USB Isolator and it's still under $100.  Personally, I love this combo.  It's even making me hold off on getting the Bifrost.
Thanks guys, I'll keep these options in mind, though I've been enjoying the DAC in my Sound Blaster Z lately (for gaming, new games. Haven't played any music or games I could directly compare from a different setup yet). I notice that the isolator is a USB 1.0 device, I believe that doesn't make a difference but how many Mbps (Kbps?) does audio require, anyway? Really though, I only point this out about the isolator because it seems like a gadget that could be useful with other devices.

Sorry it took me a week to respond... Shopping and mailing, you know?
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http://www.hdtracks.com/live-at-blues-alley

Highly recommended to try with the Q701, it really brings out every bit of perfection from the Q701 (sorry if this has been posted before).
I'll definitely have to check that out. Probably would make a good test for contrasting my K712 and Q701.
Slightly OT, I realized that I have very few (hard to recall) FAST songs in my music library. I guess that must be subconscious personal preference, BUT I probably should find one/a few to add to my "headphone quality test" playlist to test a headphone's speed and separation.
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I'm looking for gaming, primarily. I want to use something that will get me the best positional cues and immersion. Music and movies are secondary.
In my experience, the Q701 is one of the best with gaming (especially at its price range, the MA900 and AD700 are other good gaming headphones but the Q701 is more immersive and satisfying than the other two IMO), so good choice there. I would like to try the K612 someday too, but the Q701 is a known-good choice.
With gaming, virtual surround processing makes a noticeable improvement in positioning accuracy. Some games like Battlefield 3 have built-in virtual surround (headphone mode), but you can get virtual surround with any game that has home theater/5.1/7.1/surround modes and a soundcard like the Creative Sound Blaster Z or Omni to process that into a headphone mix. For more info on that (and samples), read my thread linked in my signature, "If I Knew Then..."
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Thank you NEC3! Any ideas on how this will do with the vali amp?
I would defer to tdockweiler's opinion on the Vali amp + Q701. Sometimes, reading his reviews blows the impression of how much difference there is between things out of proportion (and everyone has their own sense of taste), BUT I respect his sensitive ear and generally you can get a good sense from him in what ways the sounds differ.

I personally prefer my custom tube amp, and the things I've read about the Schiit Vali are in line with what I like in my amp (at a good value price): layers of soundstage, transparency/clarity, and a smooth liquid clarity to mids that makes them more musical (less artificial, though some games sound artificial no matter what. I think it's funny that the the player character sounds like the same person in every CoD game).
Edited by Evshrug - 12/21/13 at 12:59am
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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post
 

 

I've heard it with WA7 and Soloist SL and it does sounds much better with fuller sounding body and much less, if not absent sibilance.

 

 

Well anyway, don't want to derail this thread, has anyone heard the Q701 paired with Soloist/ Conductor?

 

Yup. Really didn't think the Q701 smoothed over all that well with the Soloist I had. Was still a pretty hot sounding headphone. Tbh, I wasn't all that impressed with the Soloist in general, but especially not with the Q701. At the time I picked the Matrix M-stage over it for the Q701 (regardless of price). For now, the M-stage and Vali are two really stellar amps for the Q701. I've had a lot of the K701 variations at different times, but the Vali and M-stage really hit a sweet spot. The Vali is just a spot on amplifier for the Q701, IMO. It gives a nice little kick in the bass regions, a touch of warmth in the midrange, and a slight reduction in treble. While doing this, it still manages to be a very detailed and resolving amplifier which really shows off the capabilities of the Q701. 

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Despite popular belief, you don't need to spend big money on amps.

 

Plenty of good stuff out there, the Schiit Asgard is probably the cheapest way to get from point A to point B whilst buying from a US based vendor that ships quickly. More alternatives are the Matrix, Lyr, Soloist SL, one of the two Bottlehead configs (forget which is which), and Darkvoice 336. None of those will be expensive, most of those sell quickly on the secondhand if need be, and I have heard all of them and it's pretty much splitting hairs which is the best for different reasons IMO. Just get the job done and report back how you like your cans!


I have spent the last few days with the Q701 and my MAD EAR +HD

 

TBH...I don't think I will even pursue another amp now :smile:

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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

Thanks guys, I'll keep these options in mind, though I've been enjoying the DAC in my Sound Blaster Z lately (for gaming, new games. Haven't played any music or games I could directly compare from a different setup yet). I notice that the isolator is a USB 1.0 device, I believe that doesn't make a difference but how many Mbps (Kbps?) does audio require, anyway? Really though, I only point this out about the isolator because it seems like a gadget that could be useful with other devices.

Sorry it took me a week to respond... Shopping and mailing, you know?

 

That's interesting about the isolator.  It may not work with a USB 2 DAC, or other USB 2 device.  Since those two DACs use USB Audio Class 1 (max. 24-bit, 96 kHz output), it's moot.  The beauty of USB Audio Class 1 is that it requires no drivers on any device that can do USB Audio.  Class 2 devices, like the Schiit Bifrost, et al., require drivers for various OSes to achieve higher resolution output, though that is more a function of the USB receiver in them, not the DAC chip itself (see the new JDS Labs CD5; John Seaber - the JDS in the name - gives a great explanation of why they made their unit Class 1 - compatibility - even though the DAC chip can handle higher res. audio).

 

It's early, so I may have gotten something wrong in that statement, but I'm pretty sure it's accurate.  Great point about the isolator being USB 1, though.

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Yeah, it's a USB "Full Speed" device, which is marketing jargon for USB 1. Counter-intuitively, USB is considered "high-speed," you'd think full speed would be more.


Omni,
Thanks for the rep man, I love helping but hearing back feels awesome.
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For you Q701 owners out there, anyone powering these with a FiiO E17? About to pick these up and trying to find a good amp/dac match that's affordable. Not really looking to be blown away into audio nirvana but I do want some quality sound for my gaming.

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For you Q701 owners out there, anyone powering these with a FiiO E17? About to pick these up and trying to find a good amp/dac match that's affordable. Not really looking to be blown away into audio nirvana but I do want some quality sound for my gaming.

Yes, I and jasonb.  Not long ago, I was in your shoes and jasonb recommended the E17. I took the plunge and am still happy today after acquiring much higher end amps that cost $$$$ more.  For the $, E17 = great SQ.  If you order online, make sure it's new stock.  I ordered mine thru amazon and it took 2 returns to get a new stock unit.  The old stock unit's battery was dead and caused the unit to not charge properly.   One didn't even stay on.  Gluck.

post #5020 of 9490
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Originally Posted by Coppermonkey View Post
 

For you Q701 owners out there, anyone powering these with a FiiO E17? About to pick these up and trying to find a good amp/dac match that's affordable. Not really looking to be blown away into audio nirvana but I do want some quality sound for my gaming.

The E17 is good, but my current setup is better. The E17 is great for what it is though. 

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The E17 is good, but my current setup is better. The E17 is great for what it is though. 

 You and your SX-750.  :beerchug:

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Yes, I and jasonb.  Not long ago, I was in your shoes and jasonb recommended the E17. I took the plunge and am still happy today after acquiring much higher end amps that cost $$$$ more.  For the $, E17 = great SQ.  If you order online, make sure it's new stock.  I ordered mine thru amazon and it took 2 returns to get a new stock unit.  The old stock unit's battery was dead and caused the unit to not charge properly.   One didn't even stay on.  Gluck.

 

Having never used a sound card or external amp/dac before, how will the E17 compare to an internal sound card like a soundblaster Zx? Is the E17 as simple as plugging it into a usb socket and plugging in my Q701's? Do I need to plug in anything else other than the usb to use both the amp/dac? As you can tell I'm extremely lost when it comes to audio solutions.

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Originally Posted by Coppermonkey View Post
 

 

Having never used a sound card or external amp/dac before, how will the E17 compare to an internal sound card like a soundblaster Zx? Is the E17 as simple as plugging it into a usb socket and plugging in my Q701's? Do I need to plug in anything else other than the usb to use both the amp/dac? As you can tell I'm extremely lost when it comes to audio solutions.

 

As far as wiring is concerned, USB cable and headphone is all you need.

You may have to (or want to) go through a few of the menu settings on the E17, but that's really easy.

I'll let people with direct experience with the soundblaster zx answer the other part of the question, as I have never used it.

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Originally Posted by Coppermonkey View Post
 

 

Having never used a sound card or external amp/dac before, how will the E17 compare to an internal sound card like a soundblaster Zx? Is the E17 as simple as plugging it into a usb socket and plugging in my Q701's? Do I need to plug in anything else other than the usb to use both the amp/dac? As you can tell I'm extremely lost when it comes to audio solutions.

It's simple as plugging in the USB cable.  The USB driver should pick up automatically in your computer OS.  Then you just designate the E17 as the output audio on your computer.

Comparing to soundblaster Z, the E17 will be an improvement but If I have to put a % to it, IMO, I would say probably 20% to 30% better.  Internal sound cards are more susceptible to electrical noise/interference...(personally I haven't experienced these problems on my computer) .  E17 is a both a DAC and an amp built into 1 unit.  So USB cable from computer to E17 and HP cable into E17.  Enjoy your music.

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signed up to say a big thank you to every contributor in the thread about the 701s. Got mine a few days ago, was pretty satisfied with the sound to a point; I had to eq the bass up a notch or two, and while the bumps on the headband didn't bother me as much as I thought it would, it wasn't really as comfortable as a friend's senns 598 I got to try.

 

Then I started reading about the mods that could be done to the q701s, and mutilated my headphones on my third day of ownership; I cut the bumps off the headband (since I'm not one to resell gear anyway) and man... the resulting comfort was amazing compared to the original headband.

 

Then I opened up the headphones to perform the bassport mod, and while I was at it, rewired the internals with some spare copper wire I got from btg audio a while ago.

 

I'd post pictures, but my account doesn't seem to have that privilege just yet.

 

Its not pretty, but it feels great and I can hear a definite improvement in the bass department with zero EQing after the mod. No idea if the rewiring made any difference, but I guess it couldn't hurt.

 

Gotta say that the modded version sounds vastly improved to my ears, especially the bass (was never really a fan of oodles of bass, but now that I have heard the modded version, I have to say I like it).

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