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post #4666 of 9490
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post



I'm still playing around with them to answer this very question. So far I don't feel like I'm giving up much width but no loss of depth, so soundstage seems more round than oval, but my soundstage so far has been actually round and great with both AKG while I'm using my tube amp.

Still haven't switched pads, A/B tested, or done any kind of mods. Been enjoying the Q's for a year, k712 for... has it been 2 months already?

Thanks, I'd be using them on vintage gear and this adds a lot of body and warmth to them anyways. I'm thinking that the K712's might sound too warm.. Hmmm. Basically I'm trying to talk myself out of buying the 712's and getting the Q's instead haha, theres at least £150 between em! 

post #4667 of 9490
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

 I'm close to buying another AKG..

 

My question to all, is the soundstage much less with the more full bodied K712? Because if it is I'm probably better at sticking to what I know and going back to the original K701's or trying the Q's for a change. From what I've read, the 712's offer more warmth and body but at the expense of width and separation.

 

No.  If it was much less, I would not have bought them (I'm a soundstage whore).

 

The K712 does a good of balancing out a large soundstage with fuller sound (better than the Anniversary does).  It still keeps most of what makes the the Q701 soundstage great, and anything lost is worth the tradeoff for the fuller sound IMO.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post


Uh...
Just keep doing other things.
But I'll get around to it.
 

 

:confused: 

 

It's not like it's a complicated "mod."  It takes a couple seconds and a couple twists (hint: righty tighty, lefty loosey ;))

It still won't sound 100% like the Q701, but it will become far more similar sounding than the stock K712.

 

I hear 15 minutes can save you 15% or more on car insurance, but <15 seconds can save you 50% or more on headphones!

 

 

It's too bad Tyll at Innerfidelity didn't also measure the K712s with the Q701 pads on.  That would control for some of the pad differences and let you see more of how the driver differs.  I'm not sure Tyll knows that the K712s have different pads than the Q701s.


Edited by chicolom - 11/16/13 at 8:59am
post #4668 of 9490
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

No.  If it was much less, I would not have bought them (I'm a soundstage whore).

 

The K712 does a good of balancing out a large soundstage with fuller sound (better than the Anniversary does).  It still keeps most of what makes the the Q701 soundstage great, and anything lost is worth the tradeoff for the fuller sound IMO.

 

 

 

Thanks chicolom. Yeah I'm a soundstage 'lady of the night' myself :D 

 

One more question If I may be so bold... I used to have to EQ that pesky peak at around 2k with all my previous AKG's. It's not much of a deal, but essential imo. Is it still there with the K712? The graph shows it, but there are also dips surrounding this area as well. Do the 712's sound simillar to the Q's in this particular area (upper mids). Or is it a case of it being less noticeable because of the extra warmth? 

 

Thanks in advance me little cherubs :D

post #4669 of 9490
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

Thanks chicolom. Yeah I'm a soundstage 'lady of the night' myself :D 

 

One more question If I may be so bold... I used to have to EQ that pesky peak at around 2k with all my previous AKG's. It's not much of a deal, but essential imo. Is it still there with the K712? The graph shows it, but there are also dips surrounding this area as well. Do the 712's sound simillar to the Q's in this particular area (upper mids). Or is it a case of it being less noticeable because of the extra warmth? 

 

Thanks in advance me little cherubs :D

 

In my experience the K712s have the least upper-mid emphasis out of the x70x I've tried.  That's another reason I sold my Anniversary for it.  That area was less fatiguing out-of-the-box.  There's is still some emphasis, as it's inherent to the driver, but it's slightly improved over the other x70x, which was an advantage in the K712's favor when I was comparing them.

 

I also EQed my Q701 (and my Anniversary) down around the 2k area to remove some of that nasally glare in the sound.  While I still EQed the K712 down, it was less essential than with my other AKGs, and I applied less EQ.

post #4670 of 9490
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

In my experience the K712s have the least upper-mid emphasis out of the x70x I've tried.  That's another reason I sold my Anniversary for it.  That area was less fatiguing out-of-the-box.  There's is still some emphasis, as it's inherent to the driver, but it's slightly improved over the other x70x, which was an advantage in the K712's favor when I was comparing them.

 

I also EQed my Q701 (and my Anniversary) down around the 2k area to remove some of that nasally glare in the sound.  While I still EQed the K712 down, it was less essential than with my other AKGs, and I applied less EQ.

Thanks chicolom that's very helpful. 

 

I will no doubt get 712's eventually but I'm probs gonna give the Q's a go for now, simply because of funds. If I didn't already own the HD800's I would be after 712's as my main hp because it sounds perfect for me. Looking long term, I'll then sell the Q's and my HD600's and get the K712's months down the line.. Lots of plans my friend! 

post #4671 of 9490
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Looking long term, I'll then sell the Q's and my HD600's and get the K712's months down the line.. Lots of plans my friend! 

 

Or you could cut to the chase and sell HD600s for K712s. :evil:

 

There will probably be some overlap and redundancy in signature between the Q701 and HD600. 

post #4672 of 9490
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

 I'm close to buying another AKG.. Up to now I've owned 3 K701's, and a K702. I keep selling them to try different hp's but then I always miss em! 

 

Anyways, It's the soundstage that I love about them. Also the speed and dryness works really well with certain music types. I also own the HD800's but I prefer the K's with chamber music and I think they excel with ambient/electronica. 

 

My question to all, is the soundstage much less with the more full bodied K712? Because if it is I'm probably better at sticking to what I know and going back to the original K701's or trying the Q's for a change. From what I've read, the 712's offer more warmth and body but at the expense of width and separation. I can understand some appreciating a more realistic centre image, but I've already got hp's that have that. 

 

I'm asking in this thread because I don't want a K712 new toy bias :D 

I have confirmed this after 2 weeks straight comparing Q701 vs HD800 head to head.  Since you already have HD800, I would recommend Q701.  If you have extra $ then sure, go for K712 but I personally would go with Q701.  You already have the thickness/warmth(with the right amp) from your HD800 that, IMO,  the K712 won't be able to match.

post #4673 of 9490
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Originally Posted by Ashade View Post
 

 

I've lived for a while with the two versions: One modded and the other one not. I ended up modding both of them.

 

Don't get me wrong but that made me lol so hard... :D

I would just be so happy to own both versions...


Edited by Hairspray - 11/16/13 at 12:28pm
post #4674 of 9490
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Originally Posted by Hairspray View Post
 

 

Don't get me wrong but that made me lol so hard... :D

I would just be so happy to own both versions...

 

Hahaha. No problem man. I understand you and what you say make sense in most of the cases, but have into account that I keep one at my office and another on at home, and having one modded and the other one not would mean to choose which kind of signature I want at each place. In the end I decided the modded signature in both places. :biggrin:

post #4675 of 9490
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

I have confirmed this after 2 weeks straight comparing Q701 vs HD800 head to head.  Since you already have HD800, I would recommend Q701.  If you have extra $ then sure, go for K712 but I personally would go with Q701.  You already have the thickness/warmth(with the right amp) from your HD800 that, IMO,  the K712 won't be able to match.

Thanks for that koiloco :) Thats kind of what I originally thought based on what I'd read up to now. I think I'd rather have the more dryer, albeit - 'thinner' sound of the original K/Q's. As I will only be using them for certain genres and only for a change. Its the same reason I own the HD600. They are so good at what they do, no match for the HD800 technically, but a nice change all the same. I've never thought of the K701's as a poor mans HD800 as I know some do. I personally think they are different enough to compliment each other as they have very different tone signatures.  

 

Cheers guys for all your help.  

post #4676 of 9490
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Has anyone noticed any difference in sound between 3 year old pads and new ones?

My old pads are in good shape but a LITTLE less deep than the newer pads I just bought. You can barely tell the difference.

 

It could be my imagination but the older pads seemed a little smoother in the upper mids with some songs.

 

With new pads i'm getting a tiny bit more treble. Basically the same almost.

 

It'd be interesting seeing measurements between 3 year old pads and brand new ones. No, i'm not going to A/B them :biggrin: Probably a 1.5-2% difference in sound.

 

BTW I got a K400 in once and it had K701 pads that were so flat they were not even angled anymore!

 

Can't say it enough but I love the modded Q701 with ambient electronica. Try 'Lights Out Asia", "Startle the Heavens", "When the Clouds" and "Hammock". They're all on Itunes.

Some may not be truly ambient electronica but close enough. I like the simple stuff that's not dark with all the repetitive droning sounds.

 

There is this song from "Candlepark Stars" where the bass sounds more distant on the modded Q701 compared to some of my other headphones. Turns out it's not due to having less pronounced bass, but the modded Q701 gets the spacing right in the soundstage. This is why the low bass rumbling sounds in Fallout 3 often sound distant too. Bass that's supposed to sound like it's coming from 10 feet away? Huh?! On a closed headphone it's more close-up, but actually less accurate.

 

When vocals sound spaced back on the modded Q701 about 4 feet I'm positive that's how it's supposed to be in the recording. Modded Q701 gets it right when recordings have vocals that are supposed to be shoved in my face. Those don't sound distant.

 

Comparing differences in soundstaging is often confusing. For reference I compare the modded Q701 to my DJ100 with M50 pads and they're both accurate when it comes to imaging/spacing. HD-650 is good too. This also seems to vary a little between DACs and Amps. Not sure why. The Modi seems to have good soundstage depth with the modded Q701. Not sure what causes this.

 

Been loving the modded Q701 even more now that I've upgraded from the Modi to the Micro DAC. On some songs there is not much difference, but on others it's much greater.

 

Also..I haven't used my Ipod Touch 2G in about forever but the DAC inside that is actually pretty good. I think it also uses a Cirrus Logic DAC like on my Micro DAC.

 

Not sure why I was fooled into thinking the Clip+ sounds as good as the Ipod Touch 2G. I mean they both sound flat..Clip+ is a bit warmer and does sound good but not great.

post #4677 of 9490

Sorry for another question, but I really want to make sure I want to do this bass-port mod.

 

I heard nothing but good things about this mod, but...

 

With the Modded Q701, do you:

1) Lose soundstage?

2) Lose the neutral-ness?

3) Make some frequencies sound artifical?

post #4678 of 9490

The sound of a Q701 with over 400 hours of burn-in is too good to be true considering it's price tag lol :p

 

Though sometimes I heard a bit of a veiled sound, but only with several songs. Does this have anything to do with the mod? or is it just pure down to the recordings?

 

 

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Originally Posted by gilsont View Post
 

Sorry for another question, but I really want to make sure I want to do this bass-port mod.

 

I heard nothing but good things about this mod, but...

 

With the Modded Q701, do you:

1) Lose soundstage?

2) Lose the neutral-ness?

3) Make some frequencies sound artifical?

 

So far, in my experience:

 

1) Not at all

2) Probably, in my opinion the bass becomes a bit looser. Standard, the bass is tight and accurate. Modded, the bass is a tad looser and enjoyable.

3) Don't think so

post #4679 of 9490
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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post
 

 

So far, in my experience:

 

1) Not at all

2) Probably, in my opinion the bass becomes a bit looser. Standard, the bass is tight and accurate. Modded, the bass is a tad looser and enjoyable.

3) Don't think so

 

+1

 

To add to that, if you can do the mod, you can reverse the mod.  It's that easy.  I'd say it's easier to reverse, as those stock round stickers can be tough to remove (but totally doable, if you're careful and patient).  Reversing the mod is as simple as applying an appropriately sized piece of tape and making sure it adheres properly.

 

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re: certain recordings sounding bad on the Q701 vs. other cans, I experienced this recently with Rush's Exit... Stage Left.  It's not a great live recording to begin with, but on the modded Q it was god-awful.  EQ helped only slightly.  Perhaps the mod affected the presentation that much, but I'll never know, as I won't be unmodding :D  When I listened to it on my HE-500 (same amp, same tubes, same everything), it was a totally different experience.  Still not a great recording, of course, but at least it was enjoyable, and the sound wasn't all out of whack.  To satisfy my mind, I switched back to the Qs for a studio album: just fine.

 

(Apologies if I told that tale in this thread the other day.  I know I posted it somewhere, but I'm still waking up :p )

 

As always, YMMV.

post #4680 of 9490
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Originally Posted by gilsont View Post
 

Sorry for another question, but I really want to make sure I want to do this bass-port mod.

 

I heard nothing but good things about this mod, but...

 

With the Modded Q701, do you:

1) Lose soundstage?

2) Lose the neutral-ness?

3) Make some frequencies sound artifical?

 

We could talk about FR for ages but, beyond this question, the most important thing is that the mod makes the Q701 much more involving, fun and musical, thus making it a fantastic audiophile all-rounder.

I found the bass a little too loose the first few days, but not anymore (post-mod burn-in? LOL). Plus, I did the foam tweak, which takes 5 minutes and is 100% reversible.

 

Does the mod make some frequencies sound artificial? Not at all. IMO, it makes the Q701 more balanced and natural sounding.

It slightly changes the presentation though, a tad less intimate and forward (possibly due to a better imaging according to Tdock). But this is NOT a deal breaker.

I'm pretty sure I won't go back to the original Q701 (I would love to have both versions though).

Since it is easily reversible, I say "Just mod it!"

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