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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post
 

 

Hmmm, your orig. message isn't quoting, but briefly, I can't compare the Lyr to any other tube amp, as I haven't heard any other!  :o  All I can say is I like it a lot.  Far too subjective, I know.  There's definitely no power issue with the Lyr driving pretty much anything, so it's down to the tubes and what pairs well with the Q701.  Once I've had more time to listen to the three pairs of tubes I have, I'll post more comments.

 

Hopefully someone familiar with both the Lyr and WA3 will chime in.

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"Paciencia, pequeño saltamontes" :D

 

I forgot to ask (and maybe I already missed it but...). How are you liking the Sabre? I think that asynchronous feature is neat, specially for Windows, where it tends to cut if the system is busy.

 

So far so good :-)  I want to test it against the two M-Audio soundcards I have.  Some day.

post #4353 of 9479

Now, this is something I can enjoy: :k701smile:

 

 

 

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1) Does the newer K701 sound identical to the Q701, K702?

 

2) What about the differences between the bass port modded K701 and bass port modded Q701?

 

3) Same question/comparison with the Annie's gel-ear-pads (K701 vs. Q701)

 

Tdock? ;)

 

I'm considering buying K701 since they are so inexpensive (and - who knows - soon to be discontinued?).

The first who answers the three questions gets a beer... :atsmile:


Edited by Hairspray - 11/6/13 at 11:43am
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Hairspray View Post
 

1) Does the newer K701 sound identic to the Q701, K702?

 

2) What about the differences between the bas port modded K701 and bas port modded Q701?

 

3) Same question/comparison with the Annie's gel-ear-pads (K701 vs. Q701)

 

Tdock? ;)

 

I'm considering buying K701 since they are so inexpensive (and - who knows - soon to be discontinued?).

The one who answers the three questions gets a beer... :atsmile:

 

1 - I wish I knew. The entire planet seems to think the K702 is identical to the K701 but maybe they are wrong? I had a K701 back in 2005 or so but I barely remember it enough to comment. I think it extremely unlikely that the newest K702s or K701 sound like a Q701. So far no reports of any of them sounding warm(er) that i've heard. I have heard that some older K701s don't seem to lack bass as much.

 

2- No idea here. My guess is that since the K701 has a totally open grill and no foam it might sounded slightly different when modded . My GUESS is more low bass, less forward/fuller low mids than the modded Q701 (slightly perhaps) and a tad more treble. I actually think when it comes to the mod it's all about the driver getting the perfect amount of air. With the Q701 It's about perfect. When I remove the grill and foam it's slightly bassier.

 

Since the Q701 has the foam and more closed off outer grill you don't really get any extra or less treble.

 

3 - Not sure since I've only had a K702 in 2010 or so and never tried Annie or K712 pads with it.

 

The Q701 in the USA is the cheapest. I guess that's a US only model perhaps? Not sure. It would make sense why it's more expensive if you lived in Europe. $219 for a Q701 in the USA! Hard to believe.

At that price everyone should buy a pair and do the mod. :normal_smile :


Edited by tdockweiler - 10/22/13 at 11:39am
post #4356 of 9479
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Originally Posted by Hairspray View Post
 

1) Does the newer K701 sound identic to the Q701, K702?

 

2) What about the differences between the bas port modded K701 and bas port modded Q701?

 

3) Same question/comparison with the Annie's gel-ear-pads (K701 vs. Q701)

 

Tdock? ;)

 

I'm considering buying K701 since they are so inexpensive (and - who knows - soon to be discontinued?).

The first who answers the three questions gets a beer... :atsmile:

 

Where did you find a cheaper K701 than a Q701? In amazon at least the Q701 is much cheaper, and since it has detachable cable and are "bassier"... no brainer IMO.

 

EDIT:

 

Tdock already answered my question. :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post
 

The Q701 in the USA is the cheapest. I guess that's a US only model perhaps? Not sure. It would make sense why it's more expensive if you lived in Europe. $219 for a Q701 in the USA! Hard to believe.

 
 
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

At that price everyone should buy a pair and do the mod. :normal_smile :

 

 

I think I'm gonna end modding my black ones. :biggrin:


Edited by Ashade - 10/22/13 at 12:35pm
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I've been comparing the K712 PRO vs the modded Q701 (stock pads) for the last 2 hours. I took notes but I kept repeating the same things.

 

I honestly would probably fail a blind A/B test. When sitting there I often forget which headphone i'm listening to.

 

K712 has a little more body to the sound. A little warmer. Modded Q701 slightly thinner. On some recordings there is no change or it's difficult to hear. Vocals sounds really good on the K712. At random due to recording they can sound more forward on the K712.

You switch songs and often they're more distant! I think when a recording has a good soundstage specific vocals sound more accurate/spaced back. They'll only be like this if they're supposed to be that way in the recording. I love this.

 

Modded Q701 generally sounds a bit more spaced out with some recordings and more airy/open sounding. K712 probably sounds very slightly more closed in due to extra warmth. This makes sense!

 

The low mids of the modded Q701 sound more accurate, but some might prefer the minor difference on the K712.

 

Neither are very forgiving of harsh/bright material to me. K712 doesn't really sound any smoother to me. Sometimes it's easy to be fooled because of how the mids are fuller.

I get that with the HD-650 too.

 

On very warm or bassy material the K712 can sound more muffled or less clear. This is very rare and not very audible. I have a few examples..

 

Again..both are good and depends on preferences.

 

I probably won't be buying a K712. If I didn't have a Q701 or was too scared to mod it I'd maybe buy a K712.

 

Stock Q701 still sounds great as it is. K712 and modded Q701 are for those that want a little more bass and some more warmth.

 

To me the differences are less than the HD-580 vs HD-600. I had them both for years. Remember on those the grill causes the changes. A 5% difference is being generous.

 

EDIT: The K712 mids are kind of addicting. It's a good headphone for relaxing and often it fools your brain into thinking it's smoother, but it's really not. I get a similar impression when I made the mids of my DJ100 thicker/warmer with different pads (Auray Velour). The thicker sounding mids just seem to obscure extremely subtle detail I think. Not too badly. Perhaps the K712 is slightly more musical to some and it makes sense. A K712 PRO might be similar to like an HD-598 on steroids. A less forgiving one anyway.

 

K712 sounds best when you don't over-analyze it and just listen to relax, which is what I did on the first day. It really does sound like a mix of the K702 and HD-650.

 

After about a million tracks I finally found one where the K712 made it SEEM not so bad. It was a low quality recording that's basically tinny/harsh/bright noise from a Japanese singer named Hitomi. I'd say it's probably more easier on the ears with the K712. It sounds smoothed over a little and not due to less treble I think.


Edited by tdockweiler - 10/22/13 at 1:58pm
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I just got the Q701s today after enjoying my K701 for years.  To my ears, and without A-B-ing, they are more alike than different.  I loved the K701, and I'm enjoying the Q701s very much.  I'll try to post some more comments as I get some more listening in.  Also, to be fare to the Q701s, I'd like to try them with a better amp than the portable Meta42 I'm listening to now (that should date me).

post #4359 of 9479
tdockweiler and Ashade, thank you so much for all the infos!
You both deserve a beer ;-)
Btw, K701 ($230) and Q701 ($305) prices at Thomann:
http://www.thomann.de/intl/search_dir.html?sw=701
post #4360 of 9479
Thread Starter 

^ IMO the Q701 is worth it over the K701.

 K701 and K702 are actually more expensive here in the USA I believe.

 $279 or so on Amazon.

post #4361 of 9479
Did I mention I was going to mod my black Q's? Ummmmm... not yet, but I mod'ed my K271 instead. O_o I think it's better now by I'm still listening to them...
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Originally Posted by Hairspray View Post

tdockweiler and Ashade, thank you so much for all the infos!
You both deserve a beer ;-)
Btw, K701 ($230) and Q701 ($305) prices at Thomann:
http://www.thomann.de/intl/search_dir.html?sw=701

Man, that's a shame... I don't know if the difference is worth it regarding the sound as I never listened the K701 but the detachable cable is a nice extra to have... I've seen people doing that by themselves though, so that's another option as well.
Edited by Ashade - 10/22/13 at 7:18pm
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I wonder how many K701s are still stocked at retailers, because AFAIK they were discontinued a while ago.  Yet they still seem to be available every time I check.

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Originally Posted by Hairspray View Post

tdockweiler and Ashade, thank you so much for all the infos!
You both deserve a beer ;-)
Btw, K701 ($230) and Q701 ($305) prices at Thomann:
http://www.thomann.de/intl/search_dir.html?sw=701

 

Great prices. I'd pick the K701. It's easier to balance and other than that, identical to Q701.

post #4364 of 9479
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

I wonder how many K701s are still stocked at retailers, because AFAIK they were discontinued a while ago.  Yet they still seem to be available every time I check.

 

They're still in production, surprisingly.

 

The latest iteration... looks fugly. Made in china and the outer metal ring is black. It's like they ran out of the normal silver ones and now using K712/Q701 pieces instead.

 


Edited by viralcow - 10/22/13 at 10:09pm
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Originally Posted by viralcow View Post
 

 

They're still in production, surprisingly.

 

The latest iteration... looks fugly. Made in china and the outer metal ring is black. It's like they ran out of the normal silver ones and now using K712/Q701 pieces instead.

 

 

Man, I like the looking. Regarding the China production... I don't know... some people have reported they were worse but...

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