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Maybe the iPod DAC is good enough, but I just haven't felt justified buying an external one yet.
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

Ashade,
That is a very sexy collection! I enjoyed each photo more than a thousand words describing a photo.

How do you like your K271? RPGWizard really likes his for the mids magic, but I don't always have the same experiences as him, so I'd like more info from a fellow Q701 lover smily_headphones1.gif
 

 

Thank you! I'm glad you liked them. Regarding the K271 vs the Q701... Take everything I say with a grain of salt, as I don't think I have more than 10hr on them but: In my opinion the Q´s are far superior in every aspect, especially modded, but that's not a surprise since we are comparing closed vs opened. It took me a while to get used to the K271 sound signature. It is kind of weird because it is really bass shy, but at the same time, they have a bump between the 200 and the 400Hz that really really affect the way male vocals sound. That's not something bad and I think some people would actually prefer it to the Q's. I find them a little bit brighter than the Q's as well. Having said that, I really think for the price is a really really good headphone and I don't think I've heard any closed-back better at that price.

 

Pros:  The detail is amazing. The isolation is top notch. It's highly highly equable. It gives many options to replace the pads (velour, pleather and leather from hifiman, beyer, dog pads...).

Cons: The original pads are horrible, you sweat a lot and cause that my ears touch the driver (I had to actually put something under the pads to raise the height. The headband is not leather, it looks like some kind of vinyl, as well as the pads. They are bass shy, specially below 200Hz (it might not be a con for many people).

 

I would highly recommend them, but don't expect them to be a closed back Q's. Would alternative when you need isolation though. :k701smile:

 

 

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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

The Lyr + HE-500 combo is sweet :smile:  I started burning in the HE-500, as even the manual recommends 150 hours.  That was interesting, and I'm definitely keeping them, and definitely modding them.  Just got a cheapo metal mesh letter holder at Walmart to do jerg's grill mod.  I was psyched, as the mesh is already flat, vs. using the rounded pencil holder.  The pads are on a slow boat from China it seems, but should be here this week.  That's the serious mod.  Good thing I like hacking stuff up ;)

 

She definitely knows what she likes!  But after initially being disappointed with the HE-500, albeit under-amped, she really liked them on the Lyr.

 

Time to go have a listen to the Q701 on the Lyr.  I expect awesomeness to abound :k701smile:

 

Pictures! More impressions!! Can't wait!!


Edited by Ashade - 10/20/13 at 8:21pm
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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post
 

Does anyone know which amp would be better with the Q701; Schiit Lyr vs Burson HA160 vs Cambridge DAC Magic vs Woo WA3? I currently have the Modi which is what I would be pairing the Lyr / HA160 with.

 

 

Edited: added WA3 into the list

 

 

Anyone? I'm intrigued by tube amps, but if the solid state contenders mentioned above would best the tubes in bringing out all Q701 has to offer then I'd be gladly take one over the tubes.

 

Also, would the Lyr/ HA160/ WA3 get handicapped by the Modi? Whereas the DAC Magic comes with its own dac, could it perform better than the others?

 

 

 

Any kind of input would be appreciated.

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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post
 

 

 

Anyone? I'm intrigued by tube amps, but if the solid state contenders mentioned above would best the tubes in bringing out all Q701 has to offer then I'd be gladly take one over the tubes.

 

Also, would the Lyr/ HA160/ WA3 get handicapped by the Modi? Whereas the DAC Magic comes with its own dac, could it perform better than the others?

 

 

 

Any kind of input would be appreciated.

Modi will be fine.  HP first, amp 2nd and DAC last.  As long as your DAC puts out clean/consistent DAconversion, you will alright for now.

I only heard Q701 on Lyr and my taboo MKIII when I still had it.  I will take tube amps over SS ones for Q701 any day.  My Emotiva is a strong speaker amp that drives my HE500 very well and has never even got warm to the touch after hours of listening.  However, it is not a good match for Q701, at least for my taste.  

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

HP first, amp 2nd and DAC last.  As long as your DAC puts out clean/consistent DAconversion, you will alright for now.

 

 

 

If your DAC is crappy enough (like mine was) than I'd actually say DAC 2nd.  In my case, my Q701s sounded superior using just a FiiO E10 than when using a FiiO E9 with my laptop's HP jack as a source.  Technically the E10 is a DAC/Amp combo though, so not sure that counts.

 

If you have a decent dac though it shouldn't be a huge concern.


Edited by chicolom - 10/20/13 at 9:36pm
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I agree that the order of importance is HP, amp, DAC, with some caveats, which have been mentioned.

 

Certainly the DAC is important, but I think it will produce the most subtle change between the three.  That said, going from a laptop DAC to a dedicated DAC can be very revealing, as I learned over the past three days.  Of course, I already had cans and amps in place.  If you've got a desktop PC with a dedicated soundcard that has a good to very good DAC, the difference will be more subtle.  My nearly 10-year-old M-Audio Revolution seems to have a pretty good DAC, not to mention a decent HP amp (oddly, better than their Revo 7.1; both discontinued).  I was just listening to the HE-500 straight out of the Revo 5.1 and was surprised at how well it was driven and how good it sounded; far better than from the C5.  Not up to the Lyr + HiFimeDIY level, but not too shabby.  Good enough to continue the burn-in overnight ;)  I'm curious to try my much newer M-Audio Audiophile 192, esp. for the few 24/192 files I have.  It should have a better DAC.  Fortunately I have a cable to go from XLR into the Lyr's RCA jacks.  Too bad it's not balanced :D

 

iPod's seem to have decent DACs; far better than my laptop's anyway.  No complaints for it being so portable.

 

So, 62ohm, I can recommend the Lyr with the Q701.  I can also recommend the JDS Labs C5.  It's very neutral and has plenty of oomph to drive them.  Don't think it'll handle anything but dynamic cans, and nothing more than 250 ohm impedance.  Pair it with an iPod Classic or the HiFimeDIY DAC, and the Qs sound great.

 

Tubes are fun because of... well, the tubes :-)  But that can be costly.  I spent $170 (w/shipping) for two additional pairs that should be different from the stock GEs, not to mention each other.  And they need to last me a while, unless they're absolutely unlistenable.  Just another rabbit hole down which you may tumble.  At least with the hybrid Lyr there are only two tubes to roll.

 

HTH.

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Originally Posted by Ashade View Post
 

Pictures! More impressions!! Can't wait!!

 

I'll do both as soon as I can.  Been busy, but should be this week.  I think you, and everyone else, will get a chuckle from the Qs ;)  Patience, Grasshopper.

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ThurstonX,
 
It is difficult to find JDS Labs seller in NZ. Ruling out the solid state contenders (HA-160 & DAC Magic), It appears that you and koiloco favors the Lyr over WA3, is there any particular reason behind this? It would be a tremendous news if the Lyr is better than WA3 for driving Q701s, considering they are $90 NZD cheaper here.
post #4344 of 9490
I've thought long and hard about this mod for the Q701s, and I think that I'm going to give it a miss. The reason is that I find that the headphones already have pretty much the perfect balance for the genres I tend to listen to at home. As they stand there's no mental adjustment that needs to be made when going to my HD-25 portables - sure the HD-25s have more bass, but that bass gets lost in the ambient background noise when travelling anyway.

For any music where I really need more bass I've got a pair of Momentums lurking around which sound absolutely great with electronica and such like where the bass impact plays a far greater role in the music.

Also the fact that 701s sound so balanced to my ear has put me off upgrading (or should it be called side-grading) to the 712 given the increase in the bass response.
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post

I agree that the order of importance is HP, amp, DAC, with some caveats, which have been mentioned.
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iPod's seem to have decent DACs; far better than my laptop's anyway.  No complaints for it being so portable.
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Tubes are fun because of... well, the tubes :-)  But that can be costly.  I spent $170 (w/shipping) for two additional pairs that should be different from the stock GEs, not to mention each other.  And they need to last me a while, unless they're absolutely unlistenable.  Just another rabbit hole down which you may tumble.  At least with the hybrid Lyr there are only two tubes to roll.

HTH.
Thanks for posting about iPods' DACs. TBH, I've read how Macs have decent built-in DAC components from their pedigree as movie and audio editors, and I've never listened to music except through a Mac, iPod, car system (my VW sounds much nicer than my Ford did!), or my parent's HiFi system, so I think any improvement would be minor.
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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post

Ok, some reason your text didn't get quoted, but what I was going to say is WooAudio is highly respected for their high-end tube amps being some of the very best in the business. I don't know anything about the model you mentioned except the brand, and I suspect that the others weren't mentioning the WA because they aren't familiar with it either, while the Lyr is a known-quantity with ThurstonX and thus he can comfortably recommend it (as great). Personally, I haven't even heard the Lyr... My tube amp (which only uses one tube Thurston :P ) was a hand-made class-a tube hybrid from a gentleman in Latvia. However, I can say that I've tried a few different SS amps, good and bad, and they mostly have the same affect on sound, while tubes audibly sweeten the sound and vary how they color the sound from tube-to-tube. If you want to spice it up with tubes, they have produced my preferred sound with every headphone so far since I got it, but if you want something consistent without parts that wear out after a few thousand hours and you don't want to fiddle with finding the right tube/biasing tubes, then get a SS amp like the ones you mentioned.

P.S. Is Kiwi a derogatory term? I think kiwi birds are cute/cool!
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

I'll do both as soon as I can.  Been busy, but should be this week.  I think you, and everyone else, will get a chuckle from the Qs ;)  Patience, Grasshopper.

 

"Paciencia, pequeño saltamontes" :D

 

I forgot to ask (and maybe I already missed it but...). How are you liking the Sabre? I think that asynchronous feature is neat, specially for Windows, where it tends to cut if the system is busy.

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Originally Posted by Slaphead View Post

I've thought long and hard about this mod for the Q701s, and I think that I'm going to give it a miss. The reason is that I find that the headphones already have pretty much the perfect balance for the genres I tend to listen to at home. As they stand there's no mental adjustment that needs to be made when going to my HD-25 portables - sure the HD-25s have more bass, but that bass gets lost in the ambient background noise when travelling anyway.

For any music where I really need more bass I've got a pair of Momentums lurking around which sound absolutely great with electronica and such like where the bass impact plays a far greater role in the music.

Also the fact that 701s sound so balanced to my ear has put me off upgrading (or should it be called side-grading) to the 712 given the increase in the bass response.

 

I have to say it, but with the mod it actually makes it sound MORE balanced.

If you like the Q701 stock, then you'll like it with the mod i'm sure.

 

It doesn't magically add bass/warmth to songs unless it's supposed to be there IMO.

 

The mod doesn't turn the Q701 into a bass heavy headphone. Bassheads go elsewhere.

Not even the K712 is bassy to me. Both are about perfect when it comes to bass quantity.


Edited by tdockweiler - 10/21/13 at 8:55am
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Yeah, I'm not fond of overbass, and I'm kinda closer to bass-light because I got accustomed to playing Violin at a very young age... so I love texture, but not BOOM. I mean, drums are awesome too, but I'm not addicted to "more bass!" especially at the expense of anything else, and I also don't find the K712 to have overbearing bass (mostly got it because of comfort, and mentions that the mids are a little more forward). I am happy with both headphones (Q701 and K712).

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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

I have to say it, but with the mod it actually makes it sound MORE balanced.
If you like the Q701 stock, then you'll like it with the mod i'm sure.

It doesn't magically add bass/warmth to songs unless it's supposed to be there IMO.

The mod doesn't turn the Q701 into a bass heavy headphone. Bassheads go elsewhere.
Not even the K712 is bassy to me. Both are about perfect when it comes to bass quantity.

Agreed! It definitely makes them more balanced. The bass is closer to neutral now than it was stock.
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post


Thanks for posting about iPods' DACs. TBH, I've read how Macs have decent built-in DAC components from their pedigree as movie and audio editors, and I've never listened to music except through a Mac, iPod, car system (my VW sounds much nicer than my Ford did!), or my parent's HiFi system, so I think any improvement would be minor.
Ok, some reason your text didn't get quoted, but what I was going to say is WooAudio is highly respected for their high-end tube amps being some of the very best in the business. I don't know anything about the model you mentioned except the brand, and I suspect that the others weren't mentioning the WA because they aren't familiar with it either, while the Lyr is a known-quantity with ThurstonX and thus he can comfortably recommend it (as great). Personally, I haven't even heard the Lyr... My tube amp (which only uses one tube Thurston :P ) was a hand-made class-a tube hybrid from a gentleman in Latvia. However, I can say that I've tried a few different SS amps, good and bad, and they mostly have the same affect on sound, while tubes audibly sweeten the sound and vary how they color the sound from tube-to-tube. If you want to spice it up with tubes, they have produced my preferred sound with every headphone so far since I got it, but if you want something consistent without parts that wear out after a few thousand hours and you don't want to fiddle with finding the right tube/biasing tubes, then get a SS amp like the ones you mentioned.

P.S. Is Kiwi a derogatory term? I think kiwi birds are cute/cool!

 

Well I guess the Lyr is the safer choice, which is also $90 cheaper and with 2 tubes compared to WA3's 3, easier to tune.

 

Thanks for the help guys! Appreciate it.

 

And no, 'Kiwi' is not a derogatory term, it's a term used to address either the kiwi fruit, kiwi bird, or someone who has lived in NZ for quite a long time.

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