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Originally Posted by Kouzelna View Post

Hi 62ohm,

Can't believe nobody said this yet, but welcome to Head Fi and sorry about your wallet!

The K/Q701 series always sounds a bit harsh & plasticky out of the box. It definitely does improve & smooth out over the first hundred hours or so. I also like to put mine in a closet just burn it in for a few days before I hear a new pair. But it will improve over time regardless, and you'll probably end up getting used to the bass because it is clear and precise, rather than bloated. It's just kind of a habit thing, like enjoying too much salt on your food than you really should.

Schiit always recommends the Lyr for this series of headphones, period.

I have always used a tube amp with mine. I think the headphones sounds terrible coming out of the solid state amp, no matter how many I tried. Its just too harsh and analytical, while a tube amp softens & warms it up and makes it beautiful and musical again. So that's my advice, definitely shoot for a tube amp in the future.

I agree with the DSP idea if you really need it, but I think over time you will really appreciate the headphone's sound signature just how it is.

The Q/K and the DT 880 are variations of a theme. Also, the DT comes in 3 models which are all quite different. The 600-Ohm is by far my favorite. If you really want to know for sure, you really need to listen to them side by side. Both headphones have their weaknesses and strengths, and in the end I chose the AKG because of its much better soundstage and instrument separation, and let go of the DT which had more impactful bass. The AKG goes deeper and is more controlled, but the DT had much more force. It was something I just learned to live with.

 

Have you even tried the Q701? The Q701 and K702 are not the same and shouldn't really be clumped together. The Q701 has never been "harsh and plasticky" EVER for me. Sure, if the recording is harsh/bright then the Q701 will reproduce this, but it will never be fatiguing.

 

It makes no sense why a Q701 would need a tube amp to sound good. They're perfectly fine for most with a solid state amp. They don't need to be warmed up at all IMO. The Q701 has never been analytical/cold/thin to my ears. That's more like the DT-880 to me.

 

On my Headroom Micro (very transparent and more so than the O2 IMO) the Q701 is very smooth and full sounding. This depends on recordings. Some of them will sound bad no matter what. There's some tracks I have where it feels like all the bass and warmth is sucked out of them. Not the amp, DAC or headphones fault.

 

BTW my Q701 sounded great out of the box. There is a chance it might have improved later on, but no way to know for sure.

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Originally Posted by Kouzelna View Post


The K/Q701 series always sounds a bit harsh & plasticky out of the box. It definitely does improve & smooth out over the first hundred hours or so. I also like to put mine in a closet just burn it in for a few days before I hear a new pair. But it will improve over time regardless, and you'll probably end up getting used to the bass because it is clear and precise, rather than bloated. It's just kind of a habit thing, like enjoying too much salt on your food than you really should.

I have always used a tube amp with mine. I think the headphones sounds terrible coming out of the solid state amp, no matter how many I tried. Its just too harsh and analytical, while a tube amp softens & warms it up and makes it beautiful and musical again. So that's my advice, definitely shoot for a tube amp in the future.
 

 

I never really found the K/Q701 line to sound too plasticy out of the box (and I've owned a few pairs new/used). Although this is a really common complaint. 

 

Fwiw, I'm using mine with a Matrix M-stage and it's one of my favorite combinations atm.

 

Also, modding the headband seems to improved the SQ. I think I'm not scrunching up my head in pain which has caused my ears to relax a bit.  :k701smile:


Edited by elwappo99 - 10/15/13 at 11:35am
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

Also, modding the headband seems to improved the SQ. I think I'm not scrunching up my head in pain which has caused my ears to relax a bit.  k701smile.gif

Agree biggrin.gif.

I got rid of the M-100 precisely because I couldn't get a comfortable combination with them (and the utter excess of bass as well, but that's another story...).
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

This is the concept of burn-in or break-in.  You can read all sorts of funny threads about it.  Some swear it's true, others say: Placebo.  I think the general consensus is that the Q701 will improve over time, esp. in the ways you've observed.  For me, I listened to it briefly when I got it, then stuck it in a closet and burned it in for at least 100 hours.  And of course plenty of use since.  To my ears it improved, but as some will tell me, it could be the placebo effect.  Well, they wouldn't say "could be"  ;)

 

So yeah, you should notice it improve.  You can speed the process along, just don't run it 24/7.  I ran it a few hours (no more than 12), gave it a rest, ran it some more, etc.  One way to do it is play a variety of music on shuffle at levels slightly louder than those at which they'd normally listen.  Others use pink noise.  Some, both.

 

HTH.  Enjoy your cans!  :k701smile:

 

I've done some digging on it, and there are those who recommend new cans to be burned-in after purchase, and there are those who says it's a myth.. Well, I notice a difference after a week of use, and that's all that matters to me :k701smile:

 

Though because this is my first pair of hi-fi cans (or should I say mid-fi?) I think I'm going to burn it in on the go instead of speed up the process to witness how it change in person.

 

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Originally Posted by Kouzelna View Post

Hi 62ohm,

Can't believe nobody said this yet, but welcome to Head Fi and sorry about your wallet!

The K/Q701 series always sounds a bit harsh & plasticky out of the box. It definitely does improve & smooth out over the first hundred hours or so. I also like to put mine in a closet just burn it in for a few days before I hear a new pair. But it will improve over time regardless, and you'll probably end up getting used to the bass because it is clear and precise, rather than bloated. It's just kind of a habit thing, like enjoying too much salt on your food than you really should.

Schiit always recommends the Lyr for this series of headphones, period.

I have always used a tube amp with mine. I think the headphones sounds terrible coming out of the solid state amp, no matter how many I tried. Its just too harsh and analytical, while a tube amp softens & warms it up and makes it beautiful and musical again. So that's my advice, definitely shoot for a tube amp in the future.

I agree with the DSP idea if you really need it, but I think over time you will really appreciate the headphone's sound signature just how it is.

The Q/K and the DT 880 are variations of a theme. Also, the DT comes in 3 models which are all quite different. The 600-Ohm is by far my favorite. If you really want to know for sure, you really need to listen to them side by side. Both headphones have their weaknesses and strengths, and in the end I chose the AKG because of its much better soundstage and instrument separation, and let go of the DT which had more impactful bass. The AKG goes deeper and is more controlled, but the DT had much more force. It was something I just learned to live with.
 
 

Hi Kouzelna, thanks for that mate, Cheers

 

Regarding the harsh sound characteristics out of the box, so at least I am not the only one :D

 

I'm currently aiming for the Valhalla, though I'm not so sure how it would stack up with the Modi. Have to bet on it I guess, and get the Bifrost as well if it didn't stack up well


Edited by 62ohm - 10/15/13 at 12:29pm
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Tdockweiler

I've been stuck in a holding pattern with my headphones and amp unfortunately, waiting for a special order. So I haven't had the chance to listen to the Q yet and compare it to the K702. I've been haunting this thread because I am greatly looking forward to it! If there's a vast difference as you say that would be great. I've never had much luck running my K through a solid state amp.

Elwappo

I liked my M-Stage, in fact it was the only SS amp I could stand with my K702. But there really are a lot better amps around, at least for the K if not the Q. A lot of details and sustain were missing with that amp. So I encourage you to keep looking around.

62ohm

The guys at Schiit have consistently told me that the Valhalla is really not the best amp for this headphone series. Rather the Lyr instead. A lot of people on this forum agree that it really doesn't bring out the most potential for these headphones. So I encourage you to shoot for the Lyr or the Garage Amber.
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Originally Posted by Kouzelna View Post


Elwappo

I liked my M-Stage, in fact it was the only SS amp I could stand with my K702. But there really are a lot better amps around, at least for the K if not the Q. A lot of details and sustain were missing with that amp. So I encourage you to keep looking around.
 

 

Perfect! I'm in the market for a high end amp. I keep rotating my high level amp and haven't found one to stick with. Suggestions?


Edited by elwappo99 - 10/15/13 at 2:58pm
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Was thinking about replacing the Matrix w/ an Asgard 2 as well, anyone got comments on that?

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Was thinking about replacing the Matrix w/ an Asgard 2 as well, anyone got comments on that?

 

I think that would be either a sidegrade or maybe even a downgrade.

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Originally Posted by Kouzelna View Post
The guys at Schiit have consistently told me that the Valhalla is really not the best amp for this headphone series. Rather the Lyr instead. A lot of people on this forum agree that it really doesn't bring out the most potential for these headphones. So I encourage you to shoot for the Lyr or the Garage Amber.

That sounds quite a bit extreme...  Not to schiit on Schiit, but that sounds a bit like trying to push their more expensive models...  Not that there's anything wrong with that (I guess...), but their 99$ Magni can drive 600 ohms 990s, why not 60 ohms Q701s?

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Valhalla is a great entry-level tube amp that works very well with high-impedance headphones, but don't expect it to be able handle hard-to-drive headphones, or to be ideal with IEMs.
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Choose Valhalla for:

Tube sound
The ability to change sound by switching tubes (tube rolling)
High-impedance headphones like the Beyerdynamic 250 and 600 ohm models, and Sennheiser 150, 300, and 600 ohm models

Oh I see...  ;)  Not for elwappo99, but for those considering a cheaper option, sounds like the Asgaard or Magni would be a better fit too...  Well unless you want tubes, then there would always be the Aune T1 too!


Edited by GirgleMirt - 10/15/13 at 4:07pm
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Was thinking about replacing the Matrix w/ an Asgard 2 as well, anyone got comments on that?

 

I think that would be either a sidegrade or maybe even a downgrade.

 

Gah! I was afraid of that. I've been trying to stay away from "sidegrade-itis" lately. Fwiw, I think the M-stage is actually a great performer overall. It's kept me pretty well held over from trying to buy a new higher end amp.

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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post

Dude, you're making me squirm.  I just ordered a Schiit Lyr and a couple of matched pairs to supplement the tubes that come with it.  I didn't want to spend a small fortune, so I opted for the Matsu****a / National PCC88 / 7DJ8 based on the review, thinking that might be really sweet for the Q701.  I also figured I'd try the Reflector 6N23P-EV Military Cryo.  From the Lyr tube rolling thread: "Another alternative would be Saratov/Reflektor 6N23P/6N23P-EV they have rolled off treble which should play nice with overly bright headphones."  Also, someone said they're good on his K701.  They require a fair amount of burn-in, apparently.  I'm really looking forward to both.

From reading a lot in the past few days to educate myself about tubes (maybe the true rabbit hole of this wonderful hobby wink.gif  ), microphonics decrease as price (for NOS) increases.  That may be a "Duh..." comment, but it's important.  This page has some really good info, at least for the 6DJ8 lineage.  Not saying you should buy there, though apparently it's quite reputable.  I was tempted to try the white box/job box Bugle Boys he has, as the price seems good, but your comment about microphonics makes me think I'll wait, play with what I (will soon) have, and then try to find something really nice in the 6922/E88CC line.

So yeah, even though I've also got an HE-500 coming, I've been thinking about the Q701 on the Lyr.  Thanks for sharing your knowledge and impressions.
Hey you'll be happy to know I just switched in my Russian tube the same type as yours. Different manufacturer but, Wooooah!! The impression is that it is just super clear and clean I have such a big space to listen in now. Definitely a lot less microphonics, 0 issue. You're gonna love it man. I wouldn't avoid all bugle boys necessarily, sample variation of used things are wide, it's just the two Amperex (regular and bugle boy) I tried have not been satisfactory. maybe it's a tast thing. Expect more impressions tomorrow, I'm going to spend some time balancing the two channels.
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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post

Hi are there anyone else here experiencing a change in sound characteristics on their Q701 after a week? Strange mine changed after a week, but not for the worse... The once a bit harsh highs has become much warmer

No I've experienced the same thing. It's funny, even without hearing about before, you're experiencing it. I definitely believe in it, it's not a huge deal/change, but it usually is a good thing.
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My Q701 definitely improved drastically on the first 12h-24h. They sounded very harsh out of the box. 

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Originally Posted by Kouzelna View Post

62ohm

The guys at Schiit have consistently told me that the Valhalla is really not the best amp for this headphone series. Rather the Lyr instead. A lot of people on this forum agree that it really doesn't bring out the most potential for these headphones. So I encourage you to shoot for the Lyr or the Garage Amber.
 
Well there it goes, R.I.P wallet lol
 
Would it be weird if I pair the Lyr with a Modi?

 

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No I've experienced the same thing. It's funny, even without hearing about before, you're experiencing it. I definitely believe in it, it's not a huge deal/change, but it usually is a good thing.

 

Well I've done some digging about this, and many said it is nothing more but a fueled myth. That being said, I still cannot believe the way it changed it's sound characteristics. It may not be a huge change, but it adds up into a huge result in my opinion.

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someone did blind test using bifrost and modi and couldn't tell the difference easily. it you dont need the digital inputs and the size doesnt bother you go for it.

 

 

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Originally Posted by 80smusicboy View Post
 

My Q701 definitely improved drastically on the first 12h-24h. They sounded very harsh out of the box. 

 

Glad to hear I'm not alone in this. When I went to the showroom, my plan was to get a DT880 600ohm, and there I tested 3 phones in person: the DT880, Q701 and HD600. It was all tested with the Magni/Modi pair, which was the pair I'm getting as well. They all have their own strengths and weaknesses, and none are without faults, but I found that although the HD600 sound the warmest, the Q701 sound the liveliest with the widest soundstage and the most straightforward (that is all just my opinion, no offense intended to the owners of the mentioned cans) and decided to deviate from my original plan.

 

Upon getting back to my house, I'm surprised to say I was terribly disappointed by how different the Q701 sound to the one I tested in the showroom, with the same AMP/DAC. Sure, I notice something changed after about 8-12 hours, but it was not before 3 days that the changes become apparent and after 7 days the changes become obvious. I questioned myself earlier, did I, or did I not made the right choice with my deviation? I guess it is safe to say for now that I don't really care about it anymore, all I know is I'm deeply enjoying this cans.

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