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post #4201 of 9490
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Originally Posted by darrenyeats View Post
 

The bumps bother me a bit. I've been squeezing them a bit to soften them up, and it seems to have helped. What's this mod you mention? Thanks,

Darren

 

I think modding the headband lends itself to ones imagination, resources and skill, but starts at one place: slicing off the bumps (with the one exception of putting some foam in-between the bumps).  I tried the foam, but it didn't do enough for me.  I have a ton of this thinnish, translucent/white foam.  I just cut a piece (two at first) to the shape of the headband, then used carpet tape (outdoor variety; very sticky, not thick at all) to fix the foam to the bump-less underside.  Two pieces provided nice padding, but after I wrapped it all in a folded bandana (half of one, cut on the long diagonal axis), two pieces of foam proved too thick.  Now it's simply perfect, and with the white bandana with black printing, it goes well with my white Q701.  My Q701 was at the limit of the self-adjusting headband to begin with.  Guess I've got a big head.  Anyway, I'm glad I got up the nerve to slice off those bumps.  I used my newly sharpened (by hand) mini Swiss Army knife.  Easy peasy.  Just have a plan on what to do after you've removed the bumps before you get to slicing.

post #4202 of 9490

Just a quick update on the K712 pads on a foam-modded (and I would assume fully open bass port modded) Q701: don't do it.

 

Bass has a nasty bloom and is really disarticulated, to the point where the beautiful clarity of these cans is lost.  They lose all musicality, which ain't good in analytical, reference-style cans.

 

It was sweet relief to end the tests and put the stock pads back on.  Makes me appreciate them and the mod all the more.

post #4203 of 9490
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Originally Posted by Ashade View Post

I bet they can compete. I am just specially curious and... you know... in this hobby it is just difficult to stop... k701smile.gif  

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I´ve been trying to find the specs and I´ve not been able to... I don´t know. If you read my last post, I found they were not that bad driven by my E5 ($20) which is as low as 100mW (32ohms Load) 18mW (300ohms Load)! blink.gif  I wouldn´t go below that; out of my iMac, they were absolutely unlistenable, but I am pretty used to their sound when they are properly drivens sooooo... 

Just try it, you have a cheap portable options in case they don´t work properly. If they are not properly amp, you will find muddy bass and treble, lack of detail and bass, excess of treble... They will sound like a $50 closed back headphone or worse. The DAC does a lot in the detail department as well though... 

I only had a FiiO E5 when I first got my Q701 a little over a year ago, and I agree with your observations.
Poorly amped, there is fair likelihood of the treble sounding fatiguingly harsh, and the bass is dulled and bloomy, and overall the sound seems congested and strained. Conversely, when well-amped, he treble seems to sweeten while being very detailed, bass impact sharpens up and creates more "texture," the mids gain better separation and overall the sound reproduction has the "muscle" to handle the music "effortlessly."
The E5 was somewhere between those... Mostly I used it almost like a filter to keep the treble sounds from being too harsh, I was pretty content with just it for my games and iPod for like 4-5 months before trying a tube amp. I disagree they will sound like $50 closed headphones without any extra amping though... $50 sealed headphones sound worse, though the Q701 without an amp doesn't seem to earn it's place as a (recent) flagship headphone.
I think max power output isn't everything or the major quality indicator for good synergy with the Q701... Clarity and low distortion, whatever in the design of an amp causes this, would be the main thing to look for in reviews.
post #4204 of 9490

My Q701 is now one of the most comfortable headphones I've ever owned. It is easily more comfortable than the K702.65 Anniversary I have right next to it. 

 

After putting off a little project for too long, I finally got around to it! It was made a lot easier / I was willing to tinker around because I had an old K701 headband to play with. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Egads! Did you slay a green Q701 on your workbench just before trying this?!?
post #4206 of 9490
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 I disagree they will sound like $50 closed headphones without any extra amping though... $50 sealed headphones sound worse, though the Q701 without an amp doesn't seem to earn it's place as a (recent) flagship headphone.

 

Why doesn't it exist something like the modded Q's but closed backs!! :( 

 

The more I listen the modded Q´s the more convinced I am they're awesome! Eager to listen something that is better! K812? HD800? HE-500?

post #4207 of 9490
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Why doesn't it exist something like the modded Q's but closed backs!! frown.gif  

The more I listen the modded Q´s the more convinced I am they're awesome! Eager to listen something that is better! K812? HD800? HE-500?
that's kind of an odd thing to say. Think about it: "this is awesome! I can't wait to hear something else."
post #4208 of 9490
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Egads! Did you slay a green Q701 on your workbench just before trying this?!?

That's the "Razer Goliathus" mousepad.  No aliens were murdered in the modification of the Q701 headband.

post #4209 of 9490
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that's kind of an odd thing to say. Think about it: "this is awesome! I can't wait to hear something else."

 

Exactly! Is there something better? That's the question. If I´m having eargasms now, how is it with a better headphone. Is it possible? XD

post #4210 of 9490
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Egads! Did you slay a green Q701 on your workbench just before trying this?!?

 

Did it during a live taping of:

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, right down below. That's my mousepad

post #4211 of 9490
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Originally Posted by Sekka View Post

That's the "Razer Goliathus" mousepad.  No aliens were murdered in the modification of the Q701 headband.

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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

Did it during a live taping of:








But, right down below. That's my mousepad

Ah. Cool. Just kind caught me offguard, you know?
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Originally Posted by Ashade View Post

Exactly! Is there something better? That's the question. If I´m having eargasms now, how is it with a better headphone. Is it possible? XD
I'm pretty sure it just becomes so intense, you lose all sense of your physical being. Oh wait, I have that happen to me sometimes now with my K712! Though to be honest you can be extremely happy with any headphone; it happened to me often with the Q701's too. Especially with my tube amp and my favorite Sylvania tube, but really... you just have to be willing to let go and enjoy, forgetting all about what gear you're wearing.
Edited by Evshrug - 10/12/13 at 11:05pm
post #4212 of 9490

100% agree.

the low-bass is definitely more controlled with the foam tweak.

plus, i'm pretty sure that it slightly accentuates the mid-bass, which is welcome.

i guess i have found the right tuning.

 

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Originally Posted by discombob View Post
 

I just tried the variant of the bass port mod where you have the tape removed, but pack some foam in the holes and I have to say I like this better.  The impressively low frequencies produced with the port wide open were giving me a bit of a bass head-ache and the soundstage was crazy wide.  Not sure why... just felt like there was pressure on my ears whereas with 2-channel stereo speakers, I usually like a little properly leveled subwoofer action in the mix, but I think headphones might produce too much direct SPL on my ears at the lower frequency extremes.  It also did sound a bit loose.  Maybe this is what AKG was up to for comfort over a long listening session, but over-did it a little on the damping.

 

With some porous, compressible foam I cut from a foam roller designed to curl hair, I was able to pack two equally-sized pieces into the ports carefully using a Mit Tools pick and I think this is the un-EQ'ed balance I was looking for.  I'm now experimenting with the outer foams (under the Q badge) to get my soundstage width exactly how I want it.

 

The Qs are sounding great over here on my Nuforce Icon HD with these adjustments, but I must agree with recent posts that I was impressed by the ODAC I heard at a meet a couple months ago as well... for less money.

 

 

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Glad someone else is digging the foam mod :smile:  Did you actually work the foam into the ports, or just cover them?  With mine, I did the latter.

 

One thing to consider is what Frank at AKG's US customer service mentioned during our conversation.  The Q701 is supposed to be a studio reference HP, which he likened to studio monitors.  He said that doesn't necessarily translate into a home listening environment (bold is my interpretation of his overall point).  I have to believe their engineers + Quincy know what they're doing and what they wanted, and achieved that.

 

That said, I definitely appreciate them more with the foam mod.  Now I'm eagerly awaiting the Anni/K712 pads, and the HiFimeDIY Sabre U2 Asynchronous USB DAC and USB isolator.  I was really tempted to get the ODAC, but the HiFimeDIY DAC has a new USB receiver that will also handle 88.1 kHz.  That, the price, and lots of positive reviews clinched it for me.

post #4213 of 9490

The degree to which a bass port is restricted doesn't just change the quantity of bass - it will also affect the frequency response profile and the bass timing, both of which are related to the "coherence" of the sound. It doesn't mean the mod isn't a good idea, but I suggest it's something that needs to be tried out and that "more bass" might not necessarily turn out the way every user might imagine.

 

I might try the mod once the guarantee runs out but before then I have more to lose by doing it. I am sure there are pros and cons to both configurations. The idea that the port is restricted because of a Machiavellian plot by AKG, because all along they were planning a future model "without the bass being held back" isn't credible, there is probably a good and holistic reason for the design having a degree of restriction on the port.


Edited by darrenyeats - 10/13/13 at 10:37am
post #4214 of 9490
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Originally Posted by darrenyeats View Post
 

The degree to which a bass port is restricted doesn't just change the quantity of bass - it will also affect the frequency response profile and the bass timing, both of which are related to the "coherence" of the sound. It doesn't mean the mod isn't a good idea, but I suggest it's something that needs to be tried out and that "more bass" might not necessarily turn out the way every user might imagine.

 

I might try the mod once the guarantee runs out but before then I have more to lose by doing it. I am sure there are pros and cons to both configurations. The idea that the port is restricted because of a Machiavellian plot by AKG, because all along they were planning a future model "without the bass being held back" isn't credible, there is probably a good and holistic reason for the design having a degree of restriction on the port.

 

This is definitely true with most mods, but for some reason it doesn't work like this for the Q701. It's almost like it's just improving what was already supposed to be there. Mids are fuller yet it doesn't sound as if they're more forward at all. No changes in treble that are audible to me.

 

No cons of doing the mod IMO. Three weeks now and no real negatives except for maybe worse isolation.

post #4215 of 9490
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post
 

 

This is definitely true with most mods, but for some reason it doesn't work like this for the Q701. It's almost like it's just improving what was already supposed to be there. Mids are fuller yet it doesn't sound as if they're more forward at all. No changes in treble that are audible to me.

 

No cons of doing the mod IMO. Three weeks now and no real negatives except for maybe worse isolation.

Thanks to everyone sharing about the mod. I came across as a bit negative but I do have to remain open-minded until I try it! Regards, Darren

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