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I think I finally may have curbed my desire to upgrade or try other headphones or amps and such. Lately I've been obsessed with expanding my music collection and I've been buying CD's like crazy. I'm finally happy with what I have and have now made it my goal to just keep expanding my music collection. I've also been going back and ripping my collection in ALAC instead of high bit rate AAC or MP3 because with the setup I have now I feel that I finally may be able to tell the difference. I am also no longer buying my music from iTunes, I want to have the physical copy so I can rip it in ALAC. 

 

I am very happy with my modded Q701 and my whole audio chain. 

 

I haven't had any real interest in trying new headphones since I got the HD-650. With the HD-650, DJ100 and Q701 I'm set for a very long time. I think this is the longest i've gone without buying any $100+ headphones.

 

Once I modded the Q701 I decided to spend money on a new amp for it (bedroom use) about a week later. Since that didn't work out I bought a new DAC instead. I think so far i've been through 4 different DACs just for the Q701. Probably even more amps!

 

Went with the Headroom Micro DAC. It'll be nice having optical, coax and USB input AND not having to rely on USB power.

 

If this DAC is good i'm retired from any gear changes for as long as possible. Modi is not going anywhere.

 

Still curious about the K712 but there is almost no chance i'll buy it. I'll STEAL IT! Just kidding. I only paid $235 for my Q701 so $350 for some (possible) minor improvements isn't such a good deal to me.

 

Had this Q701 since Oct 2011 already. Not even sure when it came out. I haven't owned a K702 since 2010.

 

Would like to try some K712 pads on this but it seems I can't do that unless I want to accidentally get Annie pads again (Which I hated). Same part # I believe.

post #4172 of 7696
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Would like to try some K712 pads on this but it seems I can't do that unless I want to accidentally get Annie pads again (Which I hated). Same part # I believe.

 

According to Frank at AKG's US customer support, they are the same pads.  It wouldn't make any sense in any kind of inventory system to have two different items with identical part #s.  There, I saved you another $58!  :D

 

Mine should be here this week.  Curious as to what they'll do to the sound, but far more curious about the DAC!  Hopefully that'll be here this week, too.

 

I think I'm holding off on the HE-500 + Lyr.  One is supposed not to give into lust, yes?  ;-)

post #4173 of 7696
Some people with the latest Anniversaries (serial 5xxx) have gotten headphones with the deeper pads like on the K712.

Both pads have the same part number though.
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Advil,

I know it's an old post, but since you own the modded Q701, and listened to the HE-500 on a Lyr, care to comment on the differences?  Would the HE-500 be a worthy addition. in your opinion?

 



+1! I'm considering the HE-500 as a purchase sometime next year. REALLY want to hear some "kind of objective" first hand impressions (although I already have some wink.gif ). I would really love to be able to audition them somewhere.

 

I would love to give you both some insight but it wouldn't be fair. I listened to them at a meet and there was a lot of noise around me and I couldn't really "listen". From what I did gather, the modded Q's held their own against some very high end cans, including the HE500's. But given the circumstances I can't give a valid opinion.

 

All I will say is that I walked out of that meet extremely happy with my Q's and my itches to buy new cans/amps went away because of how well my Q's held up.

post #4175 of 7696

What can I say... I just got my second Q´s!!!! They just arrived today (unmodded of course), and guess what was the first thing I did!!:

 

No, I didn´t mod them yet... I removed the bumps!!!! Just after the first 20secs of listening to verify they were working properly, I just couldn´t stand the bumps, and now they're gone... I am just listening to them right now. I want to A/B them with the ones I have already modded and I´ll report back, and maybe mod them after that or just keep them with that different signature.

 

Just to clarify, I bought both of them used, one of  5xxx series and the "new" one from the 7xxx. What I noticed immediately was that the new ones come with stiffer pads (that I am currently washing), but this might well be due to a lighter use of the previous owner. The other thing, was of course the less amount of bass. I have to say they are easier to listen to without the mod, but they are not as fun. I won´t say more for the moment. Proper pictures tomorrow where the pads are clean (I am listening with the older pads...).

 

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I would love to give you both some insight but it wouldn't be fair. I listened to them at a meet and there was a lot of noise around me and I couldn't really "listen". From what I did gather, the modded Q's held their own against some very high end cans, including the HE500's. But given the circumstances I can't give a valid opinion.

 

All I will say is that I walked out of that meet extremely happy with my Q's and my itches to buy new cans/amps went away because of how well my Q's held up.

 

I bet they can compete. I am just specially curious and... you know... in this hobby it is just difficult to stop... :k701smile: 


Edited by Ashade - 10/8/13 at 9:43pm
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OK just did a straight up A/B test between these and my SRH 1440 and here is my take on a few songs:

Here are some A/B tests... I listen at a low-mid volume level. I used my Little Dot Dac1 and my RW SS desktop amp both of which are very neutral.

Seven Bridges Road live version by the Eagles. The Q701 is more balanced than the SRH 1440 (more pronounced mids) with a larger sound stage due to the more balanced midrange. Doing an A/B test I actually prefer the Q701 as it just sounded more natural to my ears.

Down in the Bottom by Collin James. Q701 has tight bass line and crisp guitars and cymbals. The cymbals are very clean and crisp verging on a bit to sharp but only just. SRH 1440 offers a similar amount of bass, but again has a more pronounced midrange and slightly sharper treble producing the cymbals which make the 1440 feel like it's a bit too sharp.

Ahead by a Century by the Tragically Hip. Using the SRH-1440 sounded very clear with vocals and guitars sounding very nice and percussion sounding very nice. Q701 percussion instruments are a bit more pronounced, vocals are clear but not as strong, bass line is actually stronger than the 1440. For this song I slightly prefer the 1440 over the Q701 but only just, and if I liked the bass line more I would probably like the Q701 more but in this case I favour the vocals and warm guitar of this song which lends itself to the 1440 more.

Light my Fire - Patricia Barber. Q701 the bass (instrument) is very clear and present, the vocals are also well placed and clean, percussion sounds absolutely stunning. 1440 the bass (instrument) is not as full as the Q701, vocals are closer and more intimate, percussion is very clean and well presented but slightly brassier than the Q701. I love both headphones, if I want to be at the front of the club the 1440 is my ticket, if I want to be more in the middle of the club then the Q701 fits me better.

Lullaby - Loreena McKennitt. 1440 offers a very intimate female vocals with good thunder at the beginning of the song but the thunder does not sound as far reaching as I have heard it with other headphones, male actors speech sounds a bit to close and slightly sibilant with the echo of his voice sounding a bit hissing. Q701, the thunder sounds larger and more natural, female singing is wonderfully detailed but not as intimate but for me in a good way, male actors speech sounds a bit more distant with no sibilance and the echo is not as hissing.

The bottom line is the 1440 is more intimate while the Q701 is a bit more balanced. The 1440 is definitely a mid lovers dream come true. But I think I actually prefer the Q701 more as it just sounded a bit more natural to me.

Both are equally comfortable. 1440 is a bit wobbly feeling in construction, Q701 suffers from creaking at times. Q701 has more sound stage and being semi open suffers from less ambient noise from my desktop computer fans. Q701 is not portable unless your willing to carry a portable amp with you. The SRH 1440 plays very well straight from portable players as well as amps (I actually think to much amping hurts this headphone as it throws the balance out a bit).
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I did a short side to side session with the black (stock) and the green (modded) Q´s today. This is what I tried:

 

Headphones:

- Q701 Black (stock).

- Q701 Green (modded).

 

Source:

- iMac > ODAC > O2 > ...

- iMac > Fiio E07K (DAC and amp) > ...

- iMac > L7 > Fiio E07K DAC) > Fiio E5

 

I am not an expert in describing sound (yet O_o), but these are my really early impression:

- Q701 green or modded has a much better presence of the sub and mid bass, and a slightly better presence of low mids that affect vocals doing them more natural / less sharp. I really enjoyed vocals better in the modded version except with one song . I would say there is a very subtle decrease of the treble, or at least it is less peaky or with more coherence (this is very subtle in my opinion). This headphone was funnier to listen to, more engaging, more natural and more neutral to my ears, with a bigger soundstage but this basically due to the presence of the sub bass. Bass was definitely punchier and with a lot of body, very detailed (or just much more present).

- Detail was the same if not slightly better for the stock version. This might well be due to the recessed bass, that less you focus more in the detail of mids. The stock version was as well much easier to listen to (but not as engaging). 

- I preferred stock to be just listening to music in background, I mean if you are going to be reading or multitasking. If you are going to be basically listening to music, I clearly preferred the modded version.

- Regarding the amps... I preferred the sound out of the ODAC/O2 combo because it felt better driven, specially in the bass section. The bass was tighter, fuller, and more present in both headphones. With the O2 the difference between the two version was even bigger. I could not really tell a big difference between the E07K and E5 although I didn´t listen to them very extensively. The bass was smoother, not as detailed, but not bad either. I found the modded version easier to listen to with these amps due to the smoother sound. The headphones were definitely not at their full potential, but they weren´t loose either. I can understand that some people would prefer the not that analytical/detailed/precise sound with this amp, if that makes sense.

 

Summarizing:

- Stock: Better for long/easier listening session, music on the background, relaxation...

- Modded: More precise, more flat/neutral/natural and engaging. Fun, better for focusing on enjoying the music. Better as well for not specially powerful amps. This version is more sensible to the amp:

- The less powerful the source, the less bass and detail they get, the more harsh and uneven they become (specially the modded version). I even tried directly out of the iMac output (don´t do this, they sound horrible).

 

Some pictures for those who might enjoy them.

 

Side note: There is something weird sounding on the bass in the modded version that I don´t end finding yet. It might be so much air moving or something. It´s like a drastic hit in your face going with the drums hits... Don´t know yet. May be the speaker like feeling they provide...

 

For the time being, I won´t modify the black ones, but I must say in general I prefer the sound on the modded version.

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

I forgot to mention: I prefered the grainy, coarse, unpolished, matte finish on the black Q´s over the glossy finish of the green one´s, but the color of the green is just awesome. A fusion of both would be superb.

 


Edited by Ashade - 10/9/13 at 10:27pm
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Is it possible to use this without an external amp? The soundcard I have chosen looks good but I don't think it will be enough to amp it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0060SXDRI/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

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I´ve been trying to find the specs and I´ve not been able to... I don´t know. If you read my last post, I found they were not that bad driven by my E5 ($20) which is as low as 100mW (32ohms Load) 18mW (300ohms Load)! :blink: I wouldn´t go below that; out of my iMac, they were absolutely unlistenable, but I am pretty used to their sound when they are properly drivens sooooo... 

 

Just try it, you have a cheap portable options in case they don´t work properly. If they are not properly amp, you will find muddy bass and treble, lack of detail and bass, excess of treble... They will sound like a $50 closed back headphone or worse. The DAC does a lot in the detail department as well though... 


Edited by Ashade - 10/9/13 at 11:09pm
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Originally Posted by Dizzy47 View Post
 

Is it possible to use this without an external amp? The soundcard I have chosen looks good but I don't think it will be enough to amp it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0060SXDRI/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

 

Of course. 

 

An amp will improve them, but it's not like they won't work without one.  They will just be held back a little.
 

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How badly? How are they going to perform without one? Does it sound terrible without one?

Reason i'm asking these questions is, i havn't decided 100% on what i'm going to do to upgrade my siberia v2 headset. Was going to go for AD500X or AD700X. Thinking of saving $ and getting the Q701's with the above soundcard, then when I can, get an amp for it.


Edited by Dizzy47 - 10/9/13 at 11:49pm
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No, they don't sound terrible.  They just sound a little stuffy, congested, and compressed.

 

I don't know the specs on that soundcard, but it's a desktop soundcard so it should be pretty decent and you might not need that much more amp.

 

 The issue is more with people running directly from a laptop or ipod.

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OK cool, well. How would you compare these to the AD700X?, mind you, i'm not just getting them for gaming. I love music, music that doesn't need a lot of bass. I do know for just gaming the AD700X would suffice but for music, I would think the Q701 would blow it out of the water when it comes to audio quality on music. Also the soundcard amp specs say: "Supports studio quality headphones and headsets of up to 600 ohm impedance."


Edited by Dizzy47 - 10/10/13 at 12:02am
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I haven't heard the AD700x, but I've heard the AD700, and the Q701 is a step up from that.  More detailed and fuller sounding. 

post #4185 of 7696
A700 being closed cans, no surprise Q701 sounded better for music listening - open cans usually do. Not a totally fair comparison IMO.

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