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post #3871 of 7697
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How annoying...

I think I fixed the problem with things sounding too distant depending on the recording.

It was caused by something robbing me of a little treble (not caused by the mod) I think. Not even sure how this is possible.The treble actually sounded exactly the same as before.

All I did was remove my Mogami interconnect cable and added two USB ferrite bead cables to my setup.

 

I kept swapping between the cables and "Ringfinger" from Nine Inch Nails kept sounding very distant on the Mogami. Just the vocals at the start. Has to be my imagination.

It's still like that on others but not as bad. The expensive DHC also sounded very distant and I guess that's the way it's supposed to be. Still don't have to like it :normal_smile :

I wonder what that song sounds like on an HD-800 or if the start is really supposed to be REALLY cave-like. I bet it is.

 

Everything sounds the same but nothing sounding WAY too distant now.

 

I don't think I'll ever figure out what the real cause was of all this nonsense.

 

EDIT: About 90% sure it's a crappy powered USB hub.

 

I think something is wrong with the top ports because it sounds "off" just a little. Switching to other ports sounds better. This is the one I have:

http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-2-0-7-PORT-HUB/dp/B000TTTJ36

 

I used the top one without the expansion.

 

Guess I need to find another very high quality one. All the DACs i've ever had sounded no good straight from a desktop computer.


Edited by tdockweiler - 9/19/13 at 9:09pm
post #3872 of 7697
The mod sounds very good on a K 701. That's what I have actually. Might be better than on the Q701, as the K 701 has a little less bass stock than the Q 701. Can't be sure though, as I can't compare with a Q 701. However, on my K 701 the mod is just perfect.
post #3873 of 7697
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Someone take one for the team and do it on the K712! Probably not going to happen since that thing only costs like $350-400.

Stupid how I destroyed my Annie pads. Oh well.

 

Maybe I'll try to obtain some K712 pads and actually have them ship me K712 pads and not Annie pads..same part # apparently.

post #3874 of 7697
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post
 

Someone take one for the team and do it on the K712! Probably not going to happen since that thing only costs like $350-400.

Stupid how I destroyed my Annie pads. Oh well.

 

Maybe I'll try to obtain some K712 pads and actually have them ship me K712 pads and not Annie pads..same part # apparently.

 

 

Hmm...whom might you be directing that at I wonder??  :cool:

 

I'll probably do it eventually, I was just waiting on more positive impressions.  At first it seemed like a couple people liked it and a couple people didn't, but now it seems like it's mostly positive.

I'm slightly afraid that I'll screw up the dots and stretch or tear them and then won't be able to return them to stock. 

 

Even if you put K712 pads on your Q701s, it won't sound like a K712.  It will sounds like a more open Anniversary.

post #3875 of 7697
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

 

Hmm...whom might you be directing that at I wonder??  :cool:

 

I'll probably do it eventually, I was just waiting on more positive impressions.  At first it seemed like a couple people liked it and a couple people didn't, but now it seems like it's mostly positive.

I'm slightly afraid that I'll screw up the dots and stretch or tear them and then won't be able to return them to stock. 

 

Even if you put K712 pads on your Q701s, it won't sound like a K712.  It will sounds like a more open Anniversary.

 

No, it wasn't really directed at you really. I imagine there's a lot of others here that own the K712 and just don't post.

 

I reversed the mod with regular plastic tape and it sounds 100% the same as before. I reinstalled the mod within an hour. That plastic round dot isn't vented at all (99.9% sure of it). It's impossible to tell without a microscope.

 

If you love the K712 and think it's near perfect I wouldn't bother. Not worth the risk on a $300+ headphone. If someone pulls the side with the mini-XLR too hard they'll pull wires.

 

Yep I know the K712 pads won't give me a free K712, but that's OK. Maybe I will like the sound of those pads more than those of the Annie.

 

I sure wish those gel pads really did exist but it appears that they don't.

 

You know..i've probably spent $200 in pads in the last years. How sad...

 

I actually bought the Asgard 2 because it felt like I just got a new free headphone with this mod :normal_smile :

I want a Micro Amp killer for under $300. Heck I don't even know why I need two stupid amps. Luckily I sold the O2.

 

I'm really betting that even if you did mod the K712 it wouldn't be a dramatic change. Pretty positive it won't bloat the bass at all. Hmm...maybe the mid-bass a little if it's already somewhat pronounced stock.

post #3876 of 7697

I thought there was no such thing as a perfect headphone, including the K712  ;)

 

If it gives me free soundstage, it's worth it.  I'm like Christopher Walken and soundstage is my cowbell. 

More bass impact usually doesn't hurt anything, but if the bass is bloaty and muddy that's not good. 

 

I've already popped the cover off to take pics of the bass port. 

I haven't tried it on the XLR side, but I could probably do it without wrecking anything. 

post #3877 of 7697

O_o. How I posted in the wrong forum?

 

The backward key plays tricks on my mind.


Edited by Ashade - 9/20/13 at 1:14pm
post #3878 of 7697

I've fallen off the bandwagon.

 

A song with which I'm very familiar came up in a random shuffle, and something was off. I listened to it - one five-minute section in particular - a few times, then decided I needed to have a Battle of the Cans. Not with the goal of seeing which I prefer, but how each presents that song in the same conditions (Rockbox'd iPod Classic and JDS Labs C5). It was a simple test. There's a section that has a lot of low end (I'm guessing bass pedals), segues into a quieter section with a guitar solo that starts off clean, almost jazzy, and definitely recessed in the mix/sound stage, and builds up to a real rock sound, moving forward in the mix, as the bass and drums join in.

 

Q701 many times to fix the sound in my mind.

K550 just to see what another, albeit quite different, AKG does with it.

Grado SR225 for a totally different experience.

 

Back and forth, but ending up with the Q701 and the SR225, as they are decidedly more open than the K550. The Grado's bass is awesome. Seriously. It's got effortless depth and impact. Just right. In fact, everything about it and that song is perfect. The modded Q701, on the other hand, seemed to be trying too hard, or exaggerating the low end. And the sound stage was annoying me. Too big? Maybe. That recessed guitar solo stayed recessed and seemed too far away, awash in the exaggerated low end. That's what was bugging me.

 

So, off to Dr. Frankenstein's laboratory, armed with three types of tape. I ended up using that blue painter's tape, squares that easily covered the port, with very thin strips of regular transparent tape up the vertical edges of the painter's tape to make sure it stays in place. I probably could have put the strips of transparent tape on all four edges, but it didn't seem necessary. I used the smallest allen wrench (hex key) I have to make sure the tape was pressed down and secure.

 

As we know by now, the low end impact was reduced dramatically. But to my ears the sound stage righted itself, and while the bass isn't as exaggerated, it's definitely there. For me, my Q701 is back to its wonderfully accurate self. That guitar solo is now perfect. Do I miss the crazy bass? Well, no, but I miss about half of it. Can I EQ? Sure, cuz Rockbox has a great equalizer for which presets can be saved and recalled quite quickly.

 

I listened to a few other songs (randomly and purposefully), and I doubt I'll redo the mod. The beauty of it is, it's so easy to do. It might be fun to try some sort of foam (or different foams) over the port. I'm pretty sure there's enough real estate to secure a square of it with simple tape. But that's a project for another day.

 

So yes, I've fallen off the Basshead Bandwagon ;)

post #3879 of 7697
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

I've fallen off the bandwagon.

 

A song with which I'm very familiar came up in a random shuffle, and something was off. I listened to it - one five-minute section in particular - a few times, then decided I needed to have a Battle of the Cans. Not with the goal of seeing which I prefer, but how each presents that song in the same conditions (Rockbox'd iPod Classic and JDS Labs C5). It was a simple test. There's a section that has a lot of low end (I'm guessing bass pedals), segues into a quieter section with a guitar solo that starts off clean, almost jazzy, and definitely recessed in the mix/sound stage, and builds up to a real rock sound, moving forward in the mix, as the bass and drums join in.

 

Q701 many times to fix the sound in my mind.

K550 just to see what another, albeit quite different, AKG does with it.

Grado SR225 for a totally different experience.

 

Back and forth, but ending up with the Q701 and the SR225, as they are decidedly more open than the K550. The Grado's bass is awesome. Seriously. It's got effortless depth and impact. Just right. In fact, everything about it and that song is perfect. The modded Q701, on the other hand, seemed to be trying too hard, or exaggerating the low end. And the sound stage was annoying me. Too big? Maybe. That recessed guitar solo stayed recessed and seemed too far away, awash in the exaggerated low end. That's what was bugging me.

 

So, off to Dr. Frankenstein's laboratory, armed with three types of tape. I ended up using that blue painter's tape, squares that easily covered the port, with very thin strips of regular transparent tape up the vertical edges of the painter's tape to make sure it stays in place. I probably could have put the strips of transparent tape on all four edges, but it didn't seem necessary. I used the smallest allen wrench (hex key) I have to make sure the tape was pressed down and secure.

 

As we know by now, the low end impact was reduced dramatically. But to my ears the sound stage righted itself, and while the bass isn't as exaggerated, it's definitely there. For me, my Q701 is back to its wonderfully accurate self. That guitar solo is now perfect. Do I miss the crazy bass? Well, no, but I miss about half of it. Can I EQ? Sure, cuz Rockbox has a great equalizer for which presets can be saved and recalled quite quickly.

 

I listened to a few other songs (randomly and purposefully), and I doubt I'll redo the mod. The beauty of it is, it's so easy to do. It might be fun to try some sort of foam (or different foams) over the port. I'm pretty sure there's enough real estate to secure a square of it with simple tape. But that's a project for another day.

 

So yes, I've fallen off the Basshead Bandwagon ;)

 

But the hard part is figuring out which headphone has the bass/soundstage being more accurate. I have quite a lot of songs where it's supposed to sound exaggerated or bloated.

 

If you ever want to try again, what I would suggest is trying to tune the bass just right with this method...

 

Try the modded Q701 with and without the foam behind the outer grill. To me it sounds like it has more with the foam NOT installed.

 

I've found the best way to fool the brain into thinking the soundstage is smaller is to tape off half of the outer grill as an experiment.

For a permanent solution you can use thicker types of material inside the outer grill. Replacing the foam with layers of paper towel might work. Someone just use that Microfiber stuff and it worked.

 

Were you the one with the Mogami cable? If so try using stock just as a test. Mogami is nice and all but it seemed to make my soundstage too large. Impossible! At first I thought it was my USB hub but now I don't know what the heck is going on!

 

BTW I tried completely closing off the outer grill but the soundstage is too small and everything is too shouty. Mids way too forward. Couldn't stand it.

 

The massive soundstage was annoying me but somehow it's all good now and nothing too distant sounding.

post #3880 of 7697
Somebody jumped off the bandwagon. Quick, get him back! smily_headphones1.gif

Honestly, on my K 701 I can't hear any change to the soundstage. The mod adds just some bass impact and does little else. Might be that the mod is even better suited to the K 701 (after all that's where it's coming from) than to the Q 701.
post #3881 of 7697

I guess the next step is trying like a porous material to get a mix between the mod and stock?  :evil: 

 

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Originally Posted by jimmers View Post
 

Quincy Jones ... who has two titanium knees and a hearing aid that whistles when he speaks. Great choice for a celeb endorsement.


What does having two titanium knees have to do with anything?  It's not like he endorsed a pair of running shoes...  Upset the legendary producer chose the 701s?  ;)

 

Btw anybody ever listened to his music?  http://youtu.be/K1fyYtquFpU?t=7m54   Surprisingly not as bad as expected!


Edited by GirgleMirt - 9/21/13 at 7:52am
post #3882 of 7697
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Originally Posted by GirgleMirt View Post
 

I guess the next step is trying like a porous material to get a mix between the mod and stock?  :evil: 

 

 

Funny you should say that. Because it's pretty easy to do, I'm going to try some foam, or different foams, instead of tape. Hope I get time today to do it. I'll post impressions.

post #3883 of 7697

Are you kidding me?  The Dude is an incredible album!  Quincy has been incredible since the days of TV soundtracks.

post #3884 of 7697
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I got the Asgard 2 in and it's really good so far with the modded Q701.

Treble sounds smoother than the Magni and O2 based on memory.

I sold both of those due to me being too picky.

 

I had some issues at first but got them all worked out (only took 6 hours).

 

I wasn't a fan of the Asgard 1 and K702 at all but maybe it was due to my DAC not being as good.

 

At least i'm getting closer to a Micro Amp killer :biggrin: This isn't it yet (so far) but still pretty dang good. I bet it will get better the more I listen to it. I hope my early impressions don't change. I've had 4-5 hours with it and the Q701 so far.

 

Asgard 2 so far doesn't seem colored at all and pretty neutral. Mids are nice and full sounding right now with the modded Q701. I need the volume to be at 1 o clock on low gain with the modded Q701 and Modi. Regular Q701 might need a tad less.

 

BTW this thing is heavy! I like it. Heavier amps always sound better. Guaranteed! If someone breaks into my house I will knock them out with my Asgard.

 

 

 

Also...I haven't heard anything too distant at all with my modded Q701 today. Maybe my brain needed to adapt? It's possible.


Edited by tdockweiler - 9/21/13 at 10:47pm
post #3885 of 7697
Tube amps are one of the things that don't need to be debated over whether-or-not burn in exists; it does. I think the term "burn-in" even originated with tube amps! I love mine. What kind of tubes does Schiit include with the Asgard 2?
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