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post #3841 of 9490
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Please enlighten me of your list so we can discuss about your ranking in a positive manner.  HD800?  T1? what else?

 

If you insist...... more or less (they keep shuffling around, you know?)

 

1.  T1 , HD800

2. HE-500

3. HD-600

4. Mad Dogs

5. SRH 940

6. Beyer 1350, Senn HD25

7. AKG Q701

8. Senn PX100-ii , Porta-Pro

9. ATH-ES10  (I hate these.... anyone interested?)

 

And hey, I was just responding to "but I can't imagine liking any other headphone anymore than what I am hearing right now" .... There's more to aspire to!


Edited by BobJS - 9/19/13 at 9:40am
post #3842 of 9490
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post
 

 

I think you're the first person that has said this and this hasn't really been proven by anyone.

 

 

Weird.........................and I thought the broad general consensus was:

 

old K701 = brighter

 

new Q701 = new K70x = warmer


Edited by Chris J - 9/19/13 at 9:36am
post #3843 of 9490
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post
 

 

Weird.........................and I thought the broad general consensus was:

 

old K701 = brighter

 

new Q701 = new K70x = warmer

 

Some people came up with this IDEA that AKG made a K702 driver revision and that's why the Q701 sounds different.

Many of us had a K702 back in late 2012 and it sounded quite different than the Q701.

 

It's possible it occurred after that.

 

Maybe I'm living under a rock but I've read no reports of a K702 sounding as warm as a Q701 but it's possible!

 

I'd love to hear what the old K701 with the more open plastic piece sounds like.

If you check the pictures in this thread there is two versions of the plastic piece on old K701 that are under the outer grill. One of them is more open and i'm guessing that's the oldest version.

Even older K601 have the same type part.

 

There really is a chance that K701 pads could sound different than Q701/K702 pads too. Doubt it.

post #3844 of 9490
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris J View Post
 

 

Weird.........................and I thought the broad general consensus was:

 

old K701 = brighter

 

new Q701 = new K70x = warmer

 

Some people came up with this IDEA that AKG made a K702 driver revision and that's why the Q701 sounds different.

Many of us had a K702 back in late 2012 and it sounded quite different than the Q701.

 

It's possible it occurred after that.

 

Maybe I'm living under a rock but I've read no reports of a K702 sounding as warm as a Q701 but it's possible!

 

I'd love to hear what the old K701 with the more open plastic piece sounds like.

If you check the pictures in this thread there is two versions of the plastic piece on old K701 that are under the outer grill. One of them is more open and i'm guessing that's the oldest version.

Even older K601 have the same type part.

 

There really is a chance that K701 pads could sound different than Q701/K702 pads too. Doubt it.

 

There wasn't a driver revision as much as a progression of sound. The Newer K702s sound different than the older ones. 

 

Imagine a scale of the akg headphones you've heard, and as time goes on the K702 -> Q701 -> K712 progression each step gets a little more bass. Well take a step back. Really thin bass overall, and many people really didn't like the sound, which is why the HD650 was so popular. 

post #3845 of 9490
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

Please enlighten me of your list so we can discuss about your ranking in a positive manner.  HD800?  T1? what else?

I would imagine it's probably the HD800. I've noticed on this forum that HD800 owners tend to get a bit, well, miffed at the suggestion that what is an effectively bargain basement headphone could be comparable to the HD800.

Please note: I'm not suggesting the Q701s are in the same league as the HD800, but given their sonic similarities they certainly do invite comparisons.
post #3846 of 9490
If they had removed that plug before, the story would be different... biggrin.gif
post #3847 of 9490
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Originally Posted by Slaphead View Post

I would imagine it's probably the HD800. I've noticed on this forum that HD800 owners tend to get a bit, well, miffed at the suggestion that what is an effectively bargain basement headphone could be comparable to the HD800.

Please note: I'm not suggesting the Q701s are in the same league as the HD800, but given their sonic similarities they certainly do invite comparisons.

 

Gasp! Blasphemy! You just didn't listen with the right source, or amplification, or music, or something something ;)

 

I'm still surprised given orthodynamic and electrostatic technologies that a dynamic driver became so popular.

post #3848 of 9490
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This distancing thing with the modded Q701 sure is annoying!!

That's the only minor nitpicking I have.

 

Some vocals sound too distant in the recording and then the next one sounds too shoved in my face. It's the same with both male and female vocals.

Definitely not a recession in the mids. I think it's just being accurate.

 

I was watching a crappy WWII movie last night ("Battle Cry"..don't watch it) with the modded Q701 and dialogue was so distant sounding. Not too bad, but worse than stock. I switched to the HD-650 and same distancing! Just both are accurate.

 

On music i've memorized and listened to a million times there is no change or very little.

 

It's weird how the Annie is considered more forward sounding than the Q701. The Q701 is already quite forward as it is!

 

I must have tried a ton of modifications to the outer grill without much change.

 

Right now I have the foam installed and half the outer grill closed off. Sounds pretty good that way, but still not perfect. When I did this the soundstage is reduced a little and everything is closer to being as forward as the stock Q701 but with more bass.

When you reduce the soundstage size everything sounds more forward. Well, duh.

 

I bet I might actually like the Annie pads with the modded Q701 and not stock Q701. It makes no sense really.

 

Funny complaining about a soundstage that is too big. That does come with some disadvantages.

post #3849 of 9490
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Originally Posted by BobJS View Post
 

 

If you insist...... more or less (they keep shuffling around, you know?)

 

1.  T1 , HD800

2. HE-500

3. HD-600

4. Mad Dogs

5. SRH 940

6. Beyer 1350, Senn HD25

7. AKG Q701

8. Senn PX100-ii , Porta-Pro

9. ATH-ES10  (I hate these.... anyone interested?)

 

And hey, I was just responding to "but I can't imagine liking any other headphone anymore than what I am hearing right now" .... There's more to aspire to!

Hey, that's not bad list if we ignore the cost difference.  :p

post #3850 of 9490
Thread Starter 

It's funny seeing the Q701 on Amazon for $225. Especially considering all these fancy pants "stylish" portable headphones generally start at like $300. I don't mean Monster Beats.

 

One headphone I want to try again though is the SRH-840. I miss it. I lived with that painful design for nearly a year.

post #3851 of 9490

Someone needs to try this mod with Q701's and Annie pads!

post #3852 of 9490
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post
 

It's funny seeing the Q701 on Amazon for $225. Especially considering all these fancy pants "stylish" portable headphones generally start at like $300. I don't mean Monster Beats.

 

One headphone I want to try again though is the SRH-840. I miss it. I lived with that painful design for nearly a year.

 

I got my Q701 from Amazon during the first week of August for about $234. The were sold by Amazon. They do not say Made In Austria. Just thought I'd point that out. I assume if they were made in Austria, they'd be so stamped. They still sound damn fine, esp. with the mod.

post #3853 of 9490
Thread Starter 

Looks like listening to this mod with no outer grill and it's outer foam SEEMS to make everything less spaced out (due to recording). Not by much. I mean the soundstage is still good but it brings the treble back to Q701 levels. I think that's the key to fixing the more distant sounding things. Still experimenting. The bass seems a bit more present than i'd like. I certainly don't want to listen to my Q701 with no outer grills!

 

So it looks like the bass and treble are linked somehow to the outer grills. When you close it off a little everything sounds more forward. I tried closing off that grill and the soundstage is so closed in and congested sounding.

 

What I don't get is why when you only open that bass port you get maybe 1.5-3db less treble and more bass. You'd think you'd get more bass AND treble.

 

It also seems like I got more upper mids too :confused_face_2: Annoying..

 

EDIT: I think I got it fixed! Try this:

 

Outer grill and foam installed.

No foam behind headphone pads.

 

What's funny is that if you have the outer grill off and no headphone pad foam the bass is very bloated!


Edited by tdockweiler - 9/19/13 at 11:56am
post #3854 of 9490
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Hey, that's not bad list if we ignore the cost difference.  :p

 

No question Q701 gives a lot of bang for the buck. It seems priced right @ $200 - $300.

post #3855 of 9490

Thanks for the HD 800 comparison @Pleasant Sounds. Astounding result that you prefer the modded K 701's bass over the HD 800's. In my opinion, the mod is actually THAT good. No we only need an FR graph to prove it :) In any case, the mod certainly adds to the K 701 quality, especially for the may people who think the stock is slightly bass shy. What I like best about it is that it adds IMPACT without blaring the low frequencies.

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