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post #3736 of 9490
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Don't know why AKG put it there, but I wouldn't ALWAYS trust a company's decisions. I mean, look what Fostex did with the T50RP! Such a quality driver, and the rest doesn't do it justice - not in the least!

I can understand that you're sceptical, that's why I wish there were measurements around. For now, there's no other way for you to know than to try.
post #3737 of 9490
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Maybe AKG doesn't have any sound engineers anymore and they outsource everything :confused_face:

 

LOL kidding..I think.

 

Actually I imagine they just hire different companies for the designs/look of their headphones and not anything else.

post #3738 of 9490
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post
 

I did a few more experiments and found that K601 foam is really not good on the modded Q701. Robs you of treble and sounds warmer, but yet the mids are not any thicker at all! Just sounds more congested.

Weird how you get more mid-bass but everything else sounds worse! Soundstage is much worse.

 

Do you want to know what recessed mids sound like on the modded Q701? Try this lower quality song:

 

 

On some headphones the vocals HERE sound just a little distant, but on a REALLY good headphone you can properly judge the spacing and how close or far the singer is away.

It would be easy to confuse this and say the modded Q701 has recessed mids.

 

On the modded Q701 you can easily pinpoint the singer's voice and where it's coming from. Sounds a little further than normally due to soundstage improvements.

On the HD-650 it sounds quite distant too and coming from about the same distance as the Q701, but not quite.

 

If you listen to that song with the K601 foam or stock Q701 it might sound more up-front.

 

Closest match to the HD-650 i've found in bass quantity is stock foam and no foam behind the outer grill. HD-650 has thicker mids perhaps but the modded Q701 has more treble and is more spacious sounding.

I bet if the modded Q701 had the same size of soundstage they might sound very similar.

 

Man I really HATE recordings with distant sounding vocals IN the recording! Why do they do this?!

 

I remember saying a week ago that you could probably still get more bass from the Q701 without robbing it of upper mids and treble. So glad this is possible!! Too good to be true!

 

BTW that's the worst quality track i've heard in awhile. The 320kbps recording sounds nearly the same. Ugh..

 

I'm listening to the FLAC ripped from the CD. The bass is much deeper than that Youtube version, and the vocals are a bit more up front. And the guitars have a bit more presence. And what would one expect from a lossless rip when compared to Youtube. HD vs. a VCR. I've always been partial to The Verve, so maybe I'm biased, but I like it. Ah, now I see the vocals get further back in the mix as the song goes on. Clearly on purpose.

 

Now on the K550... wow, crazy bass, but not as impactful as on the modded Q701. A different experience, what with semi-open vs. closed, and the sound stage differences.

 

I really find anything less than lossless to be, well, lossy :D  ...intolerably so.

post #3739 of 9490

There´s an undoubtable increase in the bass. I don´t think is bass head either. Maybe I little bit over my preferences but I like it. It sounds really good though.

post #3740 of 9490
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There´s an undoubtable increase in the bass. I don´t think is bass head either. Maybe I little bit over my preferences but I like it. It sounds really good though.

 

Exactly. I wonder if we're recalling the pre-mod sound, and so we think, Hmmmm, maybe that's a bit too much bass. But then it's not squashing details or interfering, not that I can tell, so we cut it some slack so we can live with it a little longer. I'm seriously considering sticking some plain ol' tape over the ports after some time, just to see if the psychological effect is reversed. Won't be for at least a month, as I want this sound to be THE sound. Then do my best to engrain one song in my head, then put the tape on and compare.

post #3741 of 9490
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How do i remove this plastic piece? I took out two screws but i don't know how to proceed. Do i apply pressure somewhere specific or what?

post #3742 of 9490
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Don't know why AKG put it there, but I wouldn't ALWAYS trust a company's decisions. I mean, look what Fostex did with the T50RP! Such a quality driver, and the rest doesn't do it justice - not in the least!

I can understand that you're sceptical, that's why I wish there were measurements around. For now, there's no other way for you to know than to try.

 

The T50rp driver is pretty different because of the orthodynamic nature. It certainly does have its limits, and I personally don't think it'll ever be able to compete above the mid-fi tier

 

 

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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post
 

Maybe AKG doesn't have any sound engineers anymore and they outsource everything :confused_face:

 

LOL kidding..I think.

 

Actually I imagine they just hire different companies for the designs/look of their headphones and not anything else.

 

I don't think they actually design all that much in house anymore. I know they outsourced the designing of the K701. 

post #3743 of 9490
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How do i remove this plastic piece? I took out two screws but i don't know how to proceed. Do i apply pressure somewhere specific or what?

 

Start with the right side, left side is more difficult. You have to pull hungrily, and first detach the parts holding the black wires. A knife to lever a little is a good idea as well.

post #3744 of 9490
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

Exactly. I wonder if we're recalling the pre-mod sound, and so we think, Hmmmm, maybe that's a bit too much bass. But then it's not squashing details or interfering, not that I can tell, so we cut it some slack so we can live with it a little longer. I'm seriously considering sticking some plain ol' tape over the ports after some time, just to see if the psychological effect is reversed. Won't be for at least a month, as I want this sound to be THE sound. Then do my best to engrain one song in my head, then put the tape on and compare.

 

I think it´s much more neutral now after A/B´ing with other cans of my collection. It´s definitely perfect now.

post #3745 of 9490
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This is definitely an improvement, and I still don't hear anything negative. Usually when you gain something somewhere you lose something somewhere else, but I really do not notice any negative effects here. 

Took family to the beach this weekend.  I brought the Q701 and have used it for the last 3 days.  I just got home, did the mod and agree 100% with the general evaluation, just like Jasonb.  To my ears, I will put bass improvement at around +3 and a little more felt impact (probably +20%) when the bass hits.  Mid and high are still in tact.  However, the mid and overall sound seem a touch less centered in a good way though (I like it, you might not).  I believe this is why people who have performed this mod seem to think that sound stage has improved.  This mod also affect the whole balance of the FR.  You will hear that the high seems toned down a touch because of the bass increase.  Mid got affected a touch too but the bass being very clear and controlled, it doesn't show clearly;  plus you have tons of mid in the Q701 so just a bit less, IMO, is a worthy trade off. For the first time, I don't have to EQ the bass listening to Carlos Santana. 

 

Overall, Thumb way up for this mod.   Also, I'd like to thx tdockweiler for bringing up this mod and tried it out first (in this thread group, at least).  Good find there, bud.  :beerchug:  You might have saved me $1400 for .... (you already know :p) or at least delay that purchase for a long while.


Edited by koiloco - 9/15/13 at 2:51pm
post #3746 of 9490
Lol koiloco, sounds like you're describing the K712 Pro now. What I don't understand is what you mean by "mid and overall sound seem a touch less centered." What is centered? You mean the extremes have the focus rather than the mids?
post #3747 of 9490
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Lol koiloco, sounds like you're describing the K712 Pro now. What I don't understand is what you mean by "mid and overall sound seem a touch less centered." What is centered? You mean the extremes have the focus rather than the mids?

 

Let me try to explain this in the terms I know.  When I mix a vocal track for example, if I put too much reverb in, the vocal will be more diffused and not as forward/center and separate from the mix when listened on 2 speaker system.  The same effect can be heard with not using enough compression vs. too much compression for the vocal to punch through the instruments.  This same effect will be heard, IMO, as the result of this mod.  It's like listen to the same exact band/track but just in a bigger room/space.  You can say a little more reverb, spacious sound.  Whether that is = bigger sound stage according to people's ears and interpretation, I am not 100% sure.

 

Also, I have gone back and forth between my HE500 and the modded Q701 to compare the bass pre and post mod.  It's quite a significant amount but most importantly for me, it's the improved feel/impact of the bass.  It was a coincidence that I have brought along the Q701 an my Fiio E17 for the short family trip and listened exclusively to the Q701 for the last 3 days.  The E17 has been on +4 bass the entire time.  Today, after the mod, bass EQ on the E17 is at 0 but I have about the same amount of bass but better quality bass.


Edited by koiloco - 9/15/13 at 3:05pm
post #3748 of 9490

Now I only need to remove the bumps and done.

post #3749 of 9490
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Originally Posted by Ashade View Post
 

Now I only need to remove the bumps and done.

 

you won't regret it if you are doing the mod to a Q701.

post #3750 of 9490
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Now I only need to remove the bumps and done.

 

you won't regret it if you are doing the mod to a Q701.

 

 

Did you mod the headband? I've only seen a K701 with a modded band, and it looks... rough underneath. 

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