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post #2626 of 9514
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Originally Posted by iGREASE View Post

I am currently using an asus motherboard as my audio output. Will a fiio e07k drive these properly or should I just get the e9k amp and have the audio output be the motherboard?


Having no experience but being in the same situation, I would recommend considering the O2 (or + DAC combo). I'm going for the Epiphany Acoustics EPH-02D (amp and DAC in the same package for convenience and less wires). http://epiphany-acoustics.co.uk/products-page/dacs/ehp-o2d-miniature-desktop-headphone-amplifier-with-usb-dac/ This is shipped from UK but you can find closer distributors if you live somewhere other than Europe. The amp alone is about the same price as the E09K I think and regarded as the best amp in the price range, period. I've understood it doesn't get better than this.

post #2627 of 9514
Nicholas,
Excellent!
I have found the Q701 materials to be very comfortable even listening a bit longer, especially the earpads, however the headband bumps aren't as "squishy" as you might expect/hope. In my case, they cause localized aches after about a half hour (I have fine hair, and it is thinning), but that's been addressed by applying a plush baby's seatbelt cover over the headband. It actually fits quite snugly. Since the Q701 comes with two lengths of cables, I also loosely braided the shorter cable so I could have less slack in near-listening situations (like bed, or with iPod + FiiO E12 walking about the kitchen). Illustration:


I also find the Q701 is easy to live with. If I fold my pillow in half, it's very easy to listen to the Q's in bed without distorting the sound. Also, I find the one-sided cable very convenient for hanging on impromptu headphone stands, like the arm of my bedside lamp:


As much as I like my FiiO amp for the value and versatility it offers (the bass boost also seems ideally subtle and focused to merely improve sub-bass extension rather than make bass sound thick), I get the most chills and musical moments using a hybrid tube amp, which offers more even-harmonic distortion that is actually pleasing to the ear rather than odd-harmonic distortion in similarly priced solid-state amps that produces a harshness to the sound. I DON'T know if my tube amp is particularly wonderful compared to others because it's the only one I have, but even with a cheap Sylvania JAN 6DJ8 tube I experience a level of soundstage airiness and liquid, musical sound (particularly allowing the mids to shine) that immerses me more in the experience than anything else in my (relatively consumer-means narrow) experience. Btw, see my signature for musical preferences... They're pretty wide, but I tend to disfavor "basshead" experiences.


Just some tips from personal experience. Have fun!
Edited by Evshrug - 2/24/13 at 6:50am
post #2628 of 9514
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Originally Posted by SpaceInvaders View Post


Having no experience but being in the same situation, I would recommend considering the O2 (or + DAC combo). I'm going for the Epiphany Acoustics EPH-02D (amp and DAC in the same package for convenience and less wires). http://epiphany-acoustics.co.uk/products-page/dacs/ehp-o2d-miniature-desktop-headphone-amplifier-with-usb-dac/ This is shipped from UK but you can find closer distributors if you live somewhere other than Europe. The amp alone is about the same price as the E09K I think and regarded as the best amp in the price range, period. I've understood it doesn't get better than this.
In America, the Objective2 can be bought pre built by JDS Labs. It costs about $50 more than a FiiO E09k, and is battery powered rather than a wall-outlet powered desktop amp like the E09k. Size wise you're not going to use it from your pocket with an iPod, so it's kind of in a limbo between desktop and portable amp. The amp was designed after publicly heated exchanges on forums on manufacturer's pages, basically the amp is a middle finger at typical hi-fi companies to show how cheaply an amp could be designed that "objectively" has most known sources of "distortion" reduced below human perception.

The O2/ODAC combo costs $295 in North America with an AC adapter, the E07k + E09k combo costs $200 from Amazon US. Essentially, the O2 succeeded it's design parameter of a neutral "wire with gain," which ends up sounding quite good for the price, but even so it is not a "perfect amp." The E07k's DAC was upgraded from the previous version and FWIR pretty good, though the ODAC probably is better. However, you can always un-dock the E07k from the desktop E09k and use it as a portable amp, much more pocketable than the O2, and it offers digital tone control as well (Bass and Treble EQ). Overall, it's up to the individual to decide on personal preference.
Edited by Evshrug - 2/24/13 at 6:48am
post #2629 of 9514
Thank you! I will certanly keep that-baby-seatbelt-solution in mind. I am too getting thinner on top and gaining on back frown.gif

The pictures look good!

I feel that i am more confident in my choice of headphones than of my choice for DAC/amp. If I'm disappointed I may try the dacmagic from Cambridge.
post #2630 of 9514
Nicholas,
I am of the opinion that the headphone (and music recording quality, not to mention content quality;) ) makes the greatest impact on sound. As long as the amp and/or DAC has been well-implemented without glaring flaws, the minor subjective differences in taste will be just that – minor. So if you find one you are having a good time with, don't worry about it ^_^ (don't need to lose any more hair over it, am I right?)

I have an ODAC on loan, I'll let you know if I have any epiphanies, but so far it hasn't been working with my computer and I'm ready to return it if I can't get it working today. Right now I just use my 5th gen iPod as a source and DAC, with a line-out to my tube amp & Q701 for a great time.

Cheers!
Ev
post #2631 of 9514
So, I finally got the time to read the 75 or so new posts. Y'all seam to be discussing 2 main issues:
- Cables
- Amping
So I figured I'd chime in.

Cables
I am not to big into cable upgrades. I have never had the desire to upgrade any cables in my cans.
However, I had a free weekend, and was in the mood for some DIY goodness. So I did a bit of research. I bought some Mogami Quad Star cable, W2354 I think. I bought Neutrik TRS, and 4pin XLr housing and female. I replaced the stock smack with the 4pin. I did this to balance them, Incase I ever get a balanced setup. The mogami cable was too thick, and too stiff, and too short (cheap self only ordered 5 ft), for my liking. So, I just reterminated the stock cable. It sounds the same using the 1/4" plug, which is what I wanted. I need to make a 4pin to dual 3pin cable sometime, but not yet. So now I have a balanced Q701

Amping
I have been using my E17 for a while now. It works great, is small, and is packed with functionality. However, it doesn't do these cans justice. Upgraditus struck, and I bought the Little Dot MKiii. Boy, was I in for a treat, SO I THOUGHT. The OTL design, with out impedence >20ohms, created a damping factor of less than 4, when 8 is recomended. The mismatch caused the bass to go wild at decent volumes. Bad experience, MKiii sold. So, now for the Valhalla. Another mismatch. Can impedence = 64 ohms, Valhalla output = 27 ohms. Bad bad bad! Wild bass again, although, on my other cans, good to note that I enjoyed the MKiii more than the Valhalla. So, I now have Schiit Lyr coming in Tuesday, with a pair of He-400's to add to my collection. I will let you all know how the Q701 pairs with the Lyr, as well as how it matches up with the He-400's.
post #2632 of 9514
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Originally Posted by DutchGFX View Post

So, I finally got the time to read the 75 or so new posts. Y'all seam to be discussing 2 main issues:
- Cables
- Amping
So I figured I'd chime in.

Cables
I am not to big into cable upgrades. I have never had the desire to upgrade any cables in my cans.
However, I had a free weekend, and was in the mood for some DIY goodness. So I did a bit of research. I bought some Mogami Quad Star cable, W2354 I think. I bought Neutrik TRS, and 4pin XLr housing and female. I replaced the stock smack with the 4pin. I did this to balance them, Incase I ever get a balanced setup. The mogami cable was too thick, and too stiff, and too short (cheap self only ordered 5 ft), for my liking. So, I just reterminated the stock cable. It sounds the same using the 1/4" plug, which is what I wanted. I need to make a 4pin to dual 3pin cable sometime, but not yet. So now I have a balanced Q701

Amping
I have been using my E17 for a while now. It works great, is small, and is packed with functionality. However, it doesn't do these cans justice. Upgraditus struck, and I bought the Little Dot MKiii. Boy, was I in for a treat, SO I THOUGHT. The OTL design, with out impedence >20ohms, created a damping factor of less than 4, when 8 is recomended. The mismatch caused the bass to go wild at decent volumes. Bad experience, MKiii sold. So, now for the Valhalla. Another mismatch. Can impedence = 64 ohms, Valhalla output = 27 ohms. Bad bad bad! Wild bass again, although, on my other cans, good to note that I enjoyed the MKiii more than the Valhalla. So, I now have Schiit Lyr coming in Tuesday, with a pair of He-400's to add to my collection. I will let you all know how the Q701 pairs with the Lyr, as well as how it matches up with the He-400's.

Looking forward to this!

post #2633 of 9514

Hi all,

 

So today the deliveryman came with the ASUS Xonar Essence One and the Q701.

 

The build quality of the q701's are awesome and they are super comfortable!

 

The same goes with the Essence One: looks solid.

 

I installed the Drivers for the E1, and enabled ASIO support in Foobar (and enabled 64bit drivers and highest priority. 

 

 

But:

The first track i put on was MJ's Billie Jean (i had to because of Quincy, right?). The file is a FLAC file from the original  Thriller-album.

The song plays fine and sound seems good bit the instrument shaking on the right channel drives me crazy! I haven't noticed this sound that high before, and i have listened to this track a lot of times.

 

Hmm.. to early to say anything. Both devices are brand new and haven't had any 'burn-in' time.

 

Does anyone recognize this?

post #2634 of 9514

I can hear what you are talking about. It may be a product of the Q's ability to separate sounds and the fact that it is only in the right channel that is making it stand out so much.

post #2635 of 9514

All i gotta say is wow. These headphones are really something else. I am used to good sound at home, i got a pretty decent setup. But i this is just something else. Entirely. 

 

I have been listening to many of my favorite tracks/artists: old Metallica, Tool, Air, Explosions in the sky, Katie Melua, Florence Welsh etc. And it sounds fantastic! I just put on "The mash and the fury" by Danish artist Trentemøller (great live show by the way) and in the first two minutes there are some minor details there that just come to live, and witch i haven't heard before. I love it!

 

...and i haven't even gotten to Pink Floyd and Dire Straits yet!

post #2636 of 9514
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Originally Posted by hotsauce81 View Post

The first track i put on was MJ's Billie Jean (i had to because of Quincy, right?).



When i let my friend listen to my headphones yesterday, the first thing he did was put on some Michael Jackson lol. I'm glad your enjoying them! I also revisited alot of my favorite music when i first got them.


Edited by 1-MiC - 2/25/13 at 12:47pm
post #2637 of 9514
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Originally Posted by hotsauce81 View Post

All i gotta say is wow. These headphones are really something else. I am used to good sound at home, i got a pretty decent setup. But i this is just something else. Entirely. 

 

I have been listening to many of my favorite tracks/artists: old Metallica, Tool, Air, Explosions in the sky, Katie Melua, Florence Welsh etc. And it sounds fantastic! I just put on "The mash and the fury" by Danish artist Trentemøller (great live show by the way) and in the first two minutes there are some minor details there that just come to live, and witch i haven't heard before. I love it!

 

...and i haven't even gotten to Pink Floyd and Dire Straits yet!


Wow they really sound that good with metal and rock? I was kinda worried as these seem to be perfect for me with the clarity and soundstage but my fear was the lack in rock-department. Have you amped them? Do you think it would be a good option for adding bass?

 

Can't wait to get my Q701 and amp which will arrive 2 weeks later[ ;( ]. :D   I'm coming from K501 so I'm not expecting anything spectacular in the improvement-section but still expecting something awesome. I will let you know once I get 'em!

post #2638 of 9514
I have a Trentmøller track that I love, too!
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Originally Posted by SpaceInvaders View Post

Wow they really sound that good with metal and rock? I was kinda worried as these seem to be perfect for me with the clarity and soundstage but my fear was the lack in rock-department. Have you amped them? Do you think it would be a good option for adding bass?

Can't wait to get my Q701 and amp which will arrive 2 weeks later[ ;( ]. biggrin.gif   I'm coming from K501 so I'm not expecting anything spectacular in the improvement-section but still expecting something awesome. I will let you know once I get 'em!
Hotsauce81 is using an Asus Essence One ($600 MSRP) as a DAC/Amp.
I noticed an improvement from the AD700 to Q701 straight out of my iPod (and LOD + E5, which was all the modest gear I had as of last year), treble was slightly less peaky and the lower end was filled-in, very good! I ought to just publish my notes from listening as a review, songs I'd heard and analyzed so many times were just gripping me emotionally. Where before I often skipped through songs after a few seconds and concentrated on differences between the AD700 vs my older portables, I started out listening with the same intent and dissecting the sound, but after a while I noticed I had unconsciously started bobbing my feet to the music, I was letting each song play in full, and eventually I gave up on writing and just enjoyed listening. Nowadays, I listen to anything with my Q's, spanning a wide selection from rock, alt-rock, trip-hop, reggae, R&B, dance, basically anywhere my ADHD takes me. I have gained a renewed appreciation for orchestral music of course, there is a lot of power to a full orchestra recorded in-venue with quality mic equipment, and a great groove with stuff such as Andrew Bird's curious music. LOVE Arcade Fire. I need to get a Nightwish album sometime.

I have an HE-400 on loan, but there's just some songs I don't like with it. Too colored for use with everything to my ears, but then I'm not everyone.
post #2639 of 9514
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Originally Posted by SpaceInvaders View Post


Wow they really sound that good with metal and rock? I was kinda worried as these seem to be perfect for me with the clarity and soundstage but my fear was the lack in rock-department. Have you amped them? Do you think it would be a good option for adding bass?

 

Can't wait to get my Q701 and amp which will arrive 2 weeks later[ ;( ]. :D   I'm coming from K501 so I'm not expecting anything spectacular in the improvement-section but still expecting something awesome. I will let you know once I get 'em!

Hi :-)
To me they do, yeah. I haven't had much time listening today. I listened to some Pink Floyd ('money' and a few tracks on 'The Wall') but i'm in a pretty awful shape since i got my neck jammed and it's pinching some nerves that makes my right arm hurt like "futhermocker". 

 

As Mr Evshrug said i am using the E1 to amp them. I have not yet tried then directly from my internel ASUS Xonar Morpheous soundcard to my Nexus 4 or 7. Maybe tomorrow.

 

Evshrug: Cool! Witch track is that?

 

I have also listened to 'Air' today, 'La Femme d'argent' with a fresh espresso!

..and also PJ Harvey's 'On Battleship Hill'

 

Those are my two tips for today folks :-)

post #2640 of 9514
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Originally Posted by Stalker81598 View Post

Prices on Amazon tend to fluctuate often. Says $239 right now.

Only for the green though. White was $240 last week too and just jumped up to $300 out of nowhere.
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