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post #2506 of 7724
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Originally Posted by mobius5 View Post

Just got my pair of Q701's the other day and I'm really liking them. I was also considering the HD 650's and DT990's but decided the Q701 was going to fit my tastes better, and I think I was right. (I didn't get a chance to listen to the 650's or 990's, so I can't compare. I did get to listen to a pair of HD 600's, but as they weren't amped I don't think it would be a fair comparison either).

 

I listen to a lot of orchestrated soundtracks, hip-hop, R&B, as well as electronic music and acoustic performances; I think the Q701's strengths are just as good in each genre. Oh and I find them to be very comfortable, though I'm wondering how long it will take for the little cords that maintain tension on the headband to break.

 

Hey man, congratulations!

 

Just my opinion, but I found that the HD650s were too dark for me.

I thought the 990's were a real nice 'phone, they have a bit of bass and treble boost.

I have a pair of DT880s and my opinion is that the DT880 or DT990 are a gret complimentary pair to the Q701s.

post #2507 of 7724
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

I think it's virtually impossible for the K701 to be technically better than the Q701. The differences you've described are basically just the disadvantages of how the Q701 is tuned. I mean the Q701 is a little more warm and of course when you add warmth it often fools the brain that the sound is less clear. More bass and less treble usually means less sound clarity. I don't think this is really true, but just the brain being fooled. I first noticed this when modding my DJ100 and then of course having the very old HD-650 with bloated mid-bass. Oh and when you get more warmth the soundstage seems to shrink. This is probably why I always felt the soundstage of the Q701 was smaller than the K702.

 

 

Got that feeling from the DT 880...

 

Too much treble to create an illusion of clarity.

post #2508 of 7724
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

J bones!
Fantastic find! Suddenly everything makes more sense...
So the AD700 suffers from ringing (now I know what it looks like, but does that sound like a slow treble decay? Or like "tinnitus," lol), and bass roll off (not much of a surprise). The Q has the least ringing of my 3, but overall the Ety's are the closest to ideal?

I'm going to use Inner Fidelity's chart you found in a future "article" in my journal thread! Do you mind if I just quote your post, so as to credit the person who found it for me (though Tyll made the chart I presume?)?
Thanks again!

 

Wouldn't matter to me although most of the credit goes to the other party. I had another chart around here somewhere that would show roughly the same characteristics in the wave's response but I just can't seem to find it.

post #2509 of 7724
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

One thing I'll add, there are times where the Q's just wear out my ears, my head hurts and I just can't take anymore. That seems to happen most when I'm tired, so...

Interesting. What DAC are you using?

 

I do find some music fatiguing on the Q's, but so far I've found it depends on two things: the quality of the mix and the DAC.

 

For example if there's an electronic track where the treble is uncomfortable, it usually applies to that album, but not necessarily other songs by that artist, and definitely not to other songs in that genre. Meanwhile I've been able to compare my computer's standard DAC (don't have a USB DAC yet) to a hi-fi CD player (Bryston BCD-1) and the same track from 'Abbey Road' goes from sounding slightly harsh to sounding solid.

post #2510 of 7724
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

 

Hey man, congratulations!

 

Just my opinion, but I found that the HD650s were too dark for me.

I thought the 990's were a real nice 'phone, they have a bit of bass and treble boost.

I have a pair of DT880s and my opinion is that the DT880 or DT990 are a gret complimentary pair to the Q701s.

Yeah, the 600's gave me the impression that Sennheiser mid-fi's aren't the type of sound I'm looking for. If I had found the Q701's offensive I would've gone with the DT990's next. Good to hear they offer something different though, might have to check 'em out at some point. (Currently listening to a solo acoustic guitar performance, $#*% I like these phones! :D)

post #2511 of 7724
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mobius5 View Post

Interesting. What DAC are you using?

 

I do find some music fatiguing on the Q's, but so far I've found it depends on two things: the quality of the mix and the DAC.

 

 

 

Totally agree with this. With my current setup the Q701 is totally smooth and never fatiguing on even the worst recordings.

I think it was less so when I had the HRT MSII, but I think that DAC is slightly more colored (err, musical) than the ODAC.

 

I always thought that thing had slightly rolled off treble and forward upper mids.

 

BTW for my amusement I tried my Q701 straight out of a Sony portable cd player. Wow, that was the worst minute i've ever had on my Q701. Luckily it's not as bad on my Clip+ (based on memory).

 

It seems most desktop amps are generally flat, but based on my experience, this is much less so with portable amps.

 

What I really want is a portable amp that's as transparent as the O2/Magni/Micro! Maybe the C421 from JDSlabs is close..maybe the new E12?

The Total Airhead is pretty flat though, but I wish it was thinner and easier to put in your pocket. One of the few portable amps I like with the Q701.

post #2512 of 7724
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Originally Posted by mobius5 View Post

Yeah, the 600's gave me the impression that Sennheiser mid-fi's aren't the type of sound I'm looking for. If I had found the Q701's offensive I would've gone with the DT990's next. Good to hear they offer something different though, might have to check 'em out at some point. (Currently listening to a solo acoustic guitar performance, $#*% I like these phones! :D)


I remember having the HD-600 and K702 for the longest time. I always preferred the AKG type sound over the more muffled Sennheiser sound.

When I got the Q701 it felt like I had a good enough balanced of both.

 

To  my ears the HD-650 (the balanced sounding one I have!) and Q701 are somewhat similar. The HD-650 is much more forgiving and slightly warmer. The Q701 also has a little more treble. The Q701 is much more accurate though. The HD-650 isn't that colored but it does make EVERYTHING sound good. Bad recordings are very listenable.

 

The DT-880 is way too revealing for me. It was such an issue that it put all my music under a microscope. The difference in audio quality between tracks with that thing is ridiculous. It's one of the new headphones that made me weed out all my poor quality tracks (lower bit-rate I mean). I hate to see what the DT-880 is like with a very transparent amp/dac.

 

I bet people who generally prefer the AKG sound would prefer the HD-598 over the HD-600/650.

 

This HD-650 I have is very impressive though. What's funny though is that my DJ100 sounds so similar that it makes me wonder why the HD-650 is $500.

 

The last two 650s I had were bloated in the mid-bass and had a lack of treble. Not this pair that was purchased about 4-5 months ago.

 

What's funny is that I owned a DT-990 250ohm for 3 years once back before Head-Fi and not once did I realize it was considered bass heavy confused_face_2.gif

I remember having to force myself to sell it or the K701 and ended up getting rid of the DT-990. I miss it.

 

Somehow the DT-880/990 pads/cups don't play well with my ears. The DT-770 Pro 80 cups are deeper and much more comfortable.

post #2513 of 7724

Here is the EQ curve I'm currently testing for the Q701. I like a little more bass in my electronic, and rock songs. I tend to disable the EQ when listening to classical or jazz.

 

This can be used with Equalizer APO .6

 

Room EQ V5,01
Dated: 29.02.2012 20:04:50

Notes:Q701 q of 2.8 is 1/2 octave  q of 1 is 1 1/3 octave

Equaliser: Generic
No measurement
Filter  1: ON  PK       Fc    20,0 Hz  Gain   8,0 dB  Q  10,00
Filter  2: ON  PK       Fc    30,0 Hz  Gain   8,0 dB  Q  10,00
Filter  3: ON  PK       Fc    40,0 Hz  Gain   8,0 dB  Q  10,00   
Filter  4: ON  PK       Fc    50,0 Hz  Gain   8,0 dB  Q  10,00   
Filter  5: ON  PK       Fc    60,0 Hz  Gain   8,0 dB  Q  10,00   
Filter  6: ON  PK       Fc    2000,0 Hz  Gain   -2,0 dB  Q  10,00   
Filter  7: ON  PK       Fc    3000,0 Hz  Gain   2,0 dB  Q  10,00   
Filter  8: ON  PK       Fc    4000,0 Hz  Gain   2,0 dB  Q  10,00   
Filter  9: ON  PK       Fc    5000,0 Hz  Gain   2,0 dB  Q  10,00   
Filter 10: OFF PK       Fc    6000,0 Hz  Gain   0,0 dB  Q  10,00   
Filter 11: ON  PK       Fc    7000,0 Hz  Gain   -1,0 dB  Q  10,00   
Filter 12: ON  PK       Fc    8000,0 Hz  Gain   -1,0 dB  Q  10,00    
Filter 13: ON  PK       Fc    9000,0 Hz  Gain   -1,0 dB  Q  10,00
Filter 14: ON  PK       Fc    10000,0 Hz  Gain   2,0 dB  Q  10,00   
Filter 15: ON  PK       Fc    11000,0 Hz  Gain   4,0 dB  Q  10,00   
Filter 16: OFF PK       Fc    12000,0 Hz  Gain   0,0 dB  Q  10,00   
Filter 17: OFF PK       Fc    13000,0 Hz  Gain   0,0 dB  Q  10,00   
Filter 18: OFF PK       Fc    14000,0 Hz  Gain   0,0 dB  Q  10,00   
Filter 19: ON  PK       Fc    15000,0 Hz  Gain   6,0 dB  Q  1,00   
Filter 20: OFF None

 

post #2514 of 7724
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Originally Posted by mobius5 View Post

Interesting. What DAC are you using?

I do find some music fatiguing on the Q's, but so far I've found it depends on two things: the quality of the mix and the DAC.

For example if there's an electronic track where the treble is uncomfortable, it usually applies to that album, but not necessarily other songs by that artist, and definitely not to other songs in that genre. Meanwhile I've been able to compare my computer's standard DAC (don't have a USB DAC yet) to a hi-fi CD player (Bryston BCD-1) and the same track from 'Abbey Road' goes from sounding slightly harsh to sounding solid.

It doesn't happen all the time. The DAC built-in to my 5th gen iPod video mostly. The only other DAC I've used is the Recon3D USB, seems OK with the games I play if I use the same external amp. A friend is mailing me an ODAC soon, so I'll have another point of comparison.
post #2515 of 7724

Im in need of an amp for my setup on my new q701s.

My setup is
Titanium HD> ? ? ? > Q701

Would really like to spend under $250

Thanks

post #2516 of 7724
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Originally Posted by Dlauth View Post

Im in need of an amp for my setup on my new q701s.


My setup is

Titanium HD> ? ? ? > Q701


Would really like to spend under $250


Thanks

May be a little bit more $$$, but the Matrix M Stage is very popular with Q701 owners.
It's slightly warm sound is a nice compliment to the Q701s slight brightness.

For approx. $150.00 I also recommend the FiiO E09K.
post #2517 of 7724
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Originally Posted by Dlauth View Post

Im in need of an amp for my setup on my new q701s.


My setup is

Titanium HD> ? ? ? > Q701


Would really like to spend under $250


Thanks

If you want to spend a lot less than $250, I'd vouch for the Schiit Magni again. I'm very happy with it. It's my first headphone amp, but it compares favorably against a hi-fi Creek 'Destiny' speaker amp. The comparison reviews I've read all seem to praise it as well.
post #2518 of 7724
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Dlauth View Post

Im in need of an amp for my setup on my new q701s.

My setup is
Titanium HD> ? ? ? > Q701

Would really like to spend under $250

Thanks

 

Best amp I've heard for the Q701 (and for any headphone I own) is the Headroom Micro (not a weak portable amp). It's just as powerful as the E9 or Magni (which has TONS of power) and can even drive my old K501, the 600 ohm Sextett and pretty much everything. It's normally $350 but is on sale for $245.

 

It's very transparent, but loses the "cold and analytical" part yet it's not warm.

 

It's half the height of the E9 too! It does come with a huge brick power supply though.

 

I've yet to have a headphone sound bad with it.

 

Of course the Micro is only as good as what's attached to it. I love mine with the ODAC.

 

BTW it's not dark and is ruler flat IMO.

 

If you want something cheaper, the E9 or Magni will be OK.

 

I might actually take the E9 over the Magni for the Q701, but I haven't compared them as much.

Magni might be better if you get more headphones later.

 

Output impedance on the Micro is also 0.5 ohm.

 

Comes with a 30 day trial too, I bought mine when I had the Asgard and ended up selling off the Asgard and keeping the Micro. I was using the K702 and HD-650 at the time. Sometime I'd love to try the Asgard 2.


Edited by tdockweiler - 2/10/13 at 8:32am
post #2519 of 7724

I originally posted this in the recommendation thread, but got little in the way of suggestions. Do you guys think that the Q701 would be right for me?

 

Source: 24-96 flac and 320mp3 (for the less available stuff) via foobar2000

              Fiio E17

 

Genres: Metal- mainly melodeath, stuff like Opeth (kind of melodeath), Be'lakor, Insomnium, but also technical death metal like The Faceless, as well as various metal bands like Anaal Nathrakh. Rap- Almost solely Eminem and Hopsin. Classical- Beethoven, Beethoven, Beethoven

 

Can preference: Circumaural, preferably closed but open if fine too, comfort is a plus, but not a serious consideration. I have a pretty big head, long hair, and facial hair, which can make a difference with seals. I where glasses, but can compromise (I made due for the longest time with my current/previous headphones).

 

Preferred sound signature: I love the sound signature of my Ety hf3 and Superlux HD662f, so I would say reproductively accurate with a flat curve. I don't mind somewhat harsh highs, and love detail, but overall accuracy to the way things really sound is the biggest thing.

 

Price range: Cheaper the better. I don't like buying used, and would be willing to save for a while if it is worth it. Preferably under $200, but like I said, I can flex quite a bit if the pay off is present.

 

Current headphones: Superlux HD662f which developed a crackling in the right ear. I have put thousands of hours through them, and Superlux is not know for build quality, so it is what it is, as well as Ety hf3. Love them both.

post #2520 of 7724
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Originally Posted by potatoos View Post

 

Genres: Metal- mainly melodeath, stuff like Opeth (kind of melodeath), Be'lakor, Insomnium, but also technical death metal like The Faceless, as well as various metal bands like Anaal Nathrakh. Rap- Almost solely Eminem and Hopsin. Classical- Beethoven, Beethoven, Beethoven

I think they sound great with classical. But for rock, if there's distortion on the guitars I feel like they emphasize the higher-pitched parts of the distortion, instead of the main thrust of the note. I guess some people would call this 'bright', or others would say they don't overemphasize the low end.

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