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Who said A700?

 

We're talking about AD700, which is open. ;)

post #4187 of 7169
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Originally Posted by Ashade View Post
 

I did a short side to side session with the black (stock) and the green (modded) Q´s today. This is what I tried:

 

Headphones:

- Q701 Black (stock).

- Q701 Green (modded).

 

Source:

- iMac > ODAC > O2 > ...

- iMac > Fiio E07K (DAC and amp) > ...

- iMac > L7 > Fiio E07K DAC) > Fiio E5

 

I am not an expert in describing sound (yet O_o), but these are my really early impression:

- Q701 green or modded has a much better presence of the sub and mid bass, and a slightly better presence of low mids that affect vocals doing them more natural / less sharp. I really enjoyed vocals better in the modded version except with one song . I would say there is a very subtle decrease of the treble, or at least it is less peaky or with more coherence (this is very subtle in my opinion). This headphone was funnier to listen to, more engaging, more natural and more neutral to my ears, with a bigger soundstage but this basically due to the presence of the sub bass. Bass was definitely punchier and with a lot of body, very detailed (or just much more present).

- Detail was the same if not slightly better for the stock version. This might well be due to the recessed bass, that less you focus more in the detail of mids. The stock version was as well much easier to listen to (but not as engaging). 

- I preferred stock to be just listening to music in background, I mean if you are going to be reading or multitasking. If you are going to be basically listening to music, I clearly preferred the modded version.

- Regarding the amps... I preferred the sound out of the ODAC/O2 combo because it felt better driven, specially in the bass section. The bass was tighter, fuller, and more present in both headphones. With the O2 the difference between the two version was even bigger. I could not really tell a big difference between the E07K and E5 although I didn´t listen to them very extensively. The bass was smoother, not as detailed, but not bad either. I found the modded version easier to listen to with these amps due to the smoother sound. The headphones were definitely not at their full potential, but they weren´t loose either. I can understand that some people would prefer the not that analytical/detailed/precise sound with this amp, if that makes sense.

 

Summarizing:

- Stock: Better for long/easier listening session, music on the background, relaxation...

- Modded: More precise, more flat/neutral/natural and engaging. Fun, better for focusing on enjoying the music. Better as well for not specially powerful amps. This version is more sensible to the amp:

- The less powerful the source, the less bass and detail they get, the more harsh and uneven they become (specially the modded version). I even tried directly out of the iMac output (don´t do this, they sound horrible).

 

Some pictures for those who might enjoy them.

 

Side note: There is something weird sounding on the bass in the modded version that I don´t end finding yet. It might be so much air moving or something. It´s like a drastic hit in your face going with the drums hits... Don´t know yet. May be the speaker like feeling they provide...

 

For the time being, I won´t modify the black ones, but I must say in general I prefer the sound on the modded version.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

I forgot to mention: I prefered the grainy, coarse, unpolished, matte finish on the black Q´s over the glossy finish of the green one´s, but the color of the green is just awesome. A fusion of both would be superb.

 

 

Thanks for the comparison. I agree with most of it except I can't hear any very subtle decrease in treble. It's possible it's there but my ears don't hear it. I bet if I did an A/B like you it may be audible.

L7 from E7 to E5 sounds like a funny combination and totally not needed :biggrin:

I'm surprised how much volume the Q701 gets from the E5 itself but in my experience volume doesn't mean a thing with the Q701 at all.

 

Usually when the Q701 is under-amped it's much thinner, tinny, more fatiguing and harsh. I always have felt the Q701 was one of my hardest headphones to amp. Portable amps are generally a complete fail for me with the Q701.

I hate to say it but I once used a K701 by double amping it. Sounded great actually. It was with an older Ipod + a Total Airhead.

 

I think that even on my E17 it's only at 90% of what it's capable of. I use that combination sometimes and it's not bad. I'm sure the C5, Fiio E12 and similar amps do a little better with the Q701, but not sure.

I use my E17 + Q701 on my Xbox 360 sometimes for gaming.

 

I also just got a new DAC in for my Q701 (Micro DAC). Sounds perhaps a bit warmer than the Modi and reminds me a little of the HRT MSII but with a better soundstage and more extended treble. I think warm is not the right word for it but the mids are now a little fuller than before and everything sounds so natural. I saw measurements of it and it's ruler flat apparently and doesn't roll off at like 10khz or whatever thankfully.

 

I never would have imagined the Cirrus Logic CS4398 DAC chipset would be like this..I like it! Apparently it's also used on the Leckerton UHA-6S MKII. It reminds me kind of like the sound from my old Sony Blu-Ray player and the sound of the Denon 1920.

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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post
 

L7 from E7 to E5 sounds like a funny combination and totally not needed :biggrin:

I'm surprised how much volume the Q701 gets from the E5 itself but in my experience volume doesn't mean a thing with the Q701 at all.

 

Agree. Perhaps, there was a reason for this combination. I just wanted to compare the power from the amp part of the E07K and the E5 amp, knowing that the DAC source was the same, just for the driving shake of the Q's, to know how they scaled with amplification. They weren't that bad... They just didn't shine... In fact I tried as well E5 + Note II and E5 +iMac and the result was much worse. My conclusion was the DAC is key with these headphones, others are much more forgiving, or it just doesn't matter.

 

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I'm surprised how much volume the Q701 gets from the E5 itself but in my experience volume doesn't mean a thing with the Q701 at all.

 

Absolutely agree. With the E5, the volume can hurt your ears, but they are just not properly driven. Still, for on the go, casual listening, I could live with the E07K. It's not the optimal solution, but in fact I found it better than with other headphones! I just cannot port my O2 everywhere. :D I am really looking forward for the E18 to come out. I think it will have the just to power these.

 

What surprised me the most on the comparison was that part I was mentioning of the vocals. The vocals are fuller in the modded version, they just sound more natural. I would love to hear impression from other people about that.

 

Sorry for the unorganized writting, I have just problems organizing and trying to speak my mind. So much from the science side.


Edited by Ashade - 10/10/13 at 8:12am
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Originally Posted by Ashade View Post
 

I did a short side to side session with the black (stock) and the green (modded) Q´s today.

 

  Thanks for the comparison! :) Mine are still very new so for now no modding, but eventually once they've aged and their new shine starts to fade, I'll probably be tempted to mod them and get a new pair of headphones! 

 

So why did you order a 2nd pair?  Not just to compare the modded vs stock I hope!

 

Someone mentionned how difficult they are to power, anyone knows how good the Schiit Magni is with them?  I'd say it definitely does a good job (powers my Beyers 600 ohms too), but it's not like I've compared it to any other amp...  (I also have an Aune T1 I use with Sony V6s at work but never did any Magni comparison..)

 

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I think I'm holding off on the HE-500 + Lyr.  One is supposed not to give into lust, yes?  ;-)

Not because of me I hope!  Or maybe yes and that's a good thing?  Haha, don't know ;)  Anyhow, headphones are a weird curse, it's a bit like photography, sometimes the gear takes over the actual point of the hobby...  People worry about lenses/bodies or headphones instead of trying to take better pictures (more artistic, better composition, etc.) or simply enjoying the music!  It's not supposed to be about the gear, and yet, so many of us are so pulled in the gear aspect... Oh well!


Edited by GirgleMirt - 10/10/13 at 10:17am
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So why did you order a 2nd pair?  Not just to compare the modded vs stock I hope!

Hehehe, thank you.

So, I found myself wanting only to listen to my Q's and I usually used closed back ones on the office... but all my other headphones stated to sound muddy to me, thus I got rid of all of them and bought another pair just for my office, and now I listen to closed back if it's strictly necessary. biggrin.gif

At this moment you can get the Q's used for as low as $150, and I think at that price point they are just unbeatable.
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~snip~ nvm

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~snip~ nvm

biggrin.gif. It's worth it, you just clean the pads after that and... new headphones! Man, people is leaving them go with as low as 20-30h. The blacks I got were in a super neat condition!

I suppose it is because the bass is very recessed and people was expecting more. Or maybe because they don't drive them properly and they find other cans sounding better with their sources...
Edited by Ashade - 10/10/13 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by 80smusicboy View Post
 

Just bought the Q701 in black last Saturday. They have around 35h on them and at first I disliked the sound, but after some hours playing music, the sound settled down and I love the sound. They are like a big, headphone version of Hifiman RE0 which I also own. I'm waiting for the FiiO E10 to arrive and in the meantime I'm using the headphone exit of my laptop. It must be on maximum volume, but it sounds so much better than my SR60i's! The entry level Grados now sound muffled to me.

I thank the user BrezicR for his recommendation on the Q701s.

My Fiio E10 arrived today! It's a good looking and well built device. I'm using the line out to connect to my Creative 2.1 speakers (which also have a 24 bits/96KHz DAC of their own - SPDIF input) as I believe the DAC on E10 should be better than the eleven year old DAC on my Creative's. 

Regarding the performance with the AKG Q701s: it's what I expected it to be. There's no noise of any kind, and the sound doesn't seem to be all that better, but is now less constrained, more dynamic. I can listen in High Gain mode with the volume between 3 and 5 out of 8 depending on the recordings.

I'm very satisfied and I expect not to spend any more money on this king of thing for a long while.

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Originally Posted by GirgleMirt View Post
 

Not because of me I hope!  Or maybe yes and that's a good thing?  Haha, don't know ;)  Anyhow, headphones are a weird curse, it's a bit like photography, sometimes the gear takes over the actual point of the hobby...  People worry about lenses/bodies or headphones instead of trying to take better pictures (more artistic, better composition, etc.) or simply enjoying the music!  It's not supposed to be about the gear, and yet, so many of us are so pulled in the gear aspect... Oh well!

 

No, no  ;)  But I hear ya about getting gear-obsessed.  With so much out there, and so many possible combos, it's hard not to, esp. for a relative noob like me.

 

I've been reading a lot of comparison threads, esp. about the HE-500 vs. the Audeze LCD 2.2.  I'm still leaning hard toward the HE-500 + Lyr.  Those two products aren't going anywhere, so I can be patient.  I even read/viewed the jergpad mod.  Some serious surgery on the pads, but I'd probably get a spare pair of pleathers.  Then there's the grill mod.  And it seems the stock HE-500 cable is a bit iffy at best.  That increases the cost, plus the serious labor of modding.  But somehow I've convinced myself it'll be worth it in the end  :biggrin:  And then, I swear, I'll stop coming here and will simply listen to music.

 

Back on topic, I got my K712 pads.  Quite different to the stock, angled pads.  I haven't really A/B'd 'em yet, just listened to a couple songs, then switched pads.  On my bass port foam-modded Q701, the K712 pads seem to make the low end a tad boomy, but only on certain tracks.  I was testing from a PC with an M-Audio Revo 5.1 going into the C5.  At first I had the C5 on low gain, and the K712 pads made a muddy mess of it all.  High gain helped a little.  Definition just seemed to be sucked away.  Now I'm listening via my Rockbox'd iPod Classic, line out to the C5 on high gain, and while certain low end frequencies still seem a tad boomy, the definition is back.  So I guess the M-Audio was to blame.  Or my ears  ;)

 

Maybe tomorrow I'll have some time to really sit down and compare.  Maybe I'll wait until the HiFiMeDIY stuff comes.  Oh, and there will be pix of the Hippie Dream Headband Mod  :k701smile:

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I recently heard the following for the first time:

HD800 - detailed, clear but I didn't like the tonal balance

Q701 - preferred the tone on these to the HD800, superb value for money

Abyss AB-1266 - the best thing I've ever put on my ears, top to bottom, full stop

LCD3 - great but the Abyss is in another league to everything else IMO

 

I bought the Q701!

 

With my Benchmark DAC1 HDR used as DAC and headphone amp, the Q701 sounds good. (For info about how I have set up the DAC1 see http://www.head-fi.org/t/685401/benchmark-dac1-hdr-set-up.)

 

Guys, I actually like the bass. It's not boomy or warm but it does have weight if the recording has weight. I think it's a transparent, honest, ever so slightly sweet sound across the frequency spectrum.

 

Still running in, I think, so I might come back with further comments later.

Darren


Edited by darrenyeats - 10/11/13 at 7:25am
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Guys, I actually like the bass. It's not boomy or warm but it does have weight if the recording has weight. I think it's a transparent, honest, ever so slightly sweet sound across the frequency spectrum.

The Q's are great, aren't they? I think I can understand you here. The bass is just there, as precise as you need it. As I said, I found the stock bass to be better for a relaxing listening. I think I'm going to leave one of mine without the mod, as I as switch between the two of them depending on my mode that moment.

Do the bumps bother you?
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The Q's are great, aren't they? I think I can understand you here. The bass is just there, as precise as you need it. As I said, I found the stock bass to be better for a relaxing listening. I think I'm going to leave one of mine without the mod, as I as switch between the two of them depending on my mode that moment.

Do the bumps bother you?

The bumps bother me a bit. I've been squeezing them a bit to soften them up, and it seems to have helped. What's this mod you mention? Thanks,

Darren

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Bass mod (there's a, lot of information along this thread):
http://www.head-fi.org/t/660408/reversible-akg-k701-bass-mod

My comments (you can find many others on this thread):
http://www.head-fi.org/t/582276/q701-appreciation-thread/4170#post_9875501

To solve the bumps problem:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/573055/akg-k702-headband-mods
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Originally Posted by darrenyeats View Post
 

Guys, I actually like the bass. It's not boomy or warm but it does have weight if the recording has weight. I think it's a transparent, honest, ever so slightly sweet sound across the frequency spectrum.


The Q's are great, aren't they? I think I can understand you here. The bass is just there, as precise as you need it. As I said, I found the stock bass to be better for a relaxing listening. I think I'm going to leave one of mine without the mod, as I as switch between the two of them depending on my mode that moment.

Do the bumps bother you?

 

Yeah I'm with you guys on the bass...  Couldn't agree more.  But, I think that while it might be every so slightly attenuated (bass), I was wondering yesterday while really enjoying them if more bass would actually add anything or be detrimental...  Their presentation as is is just sport on, super accurate, detailed, balanced, very resolving headphones.  Incredibly enjoyable, especially when volume is pumped up a little.  ;)    If you increase the bass by modding them...  Do you actually lose anything?  I know the general consensus seems to be no, but I just can't help to doubt that a little...  Even if you don't lose anything, is change good?  Well seems yes reading those who have modded them, just seems a bit doubtful to me as as is, they're already phenomenal, oh well, eventually, since it's easily reversible, I'll try it... hehe  

 

But even stock, it's hard to imagine them sounding better as I mean they work incredibly well as is, almost feels like any change would rather make them worse than improve them...  Just to try to get an idea of the mod, I increased by 1dB the EQ at 55hz, and that did not help at all, the Q701s seem to be so well balanced that any 1dB boost/dip in the frequency makes them instantly sound worse.  In the opposite spectrum, my 990s which I've been trying to EQ to make them sound neutral (like Q701 lol   http://www.head-fi.org/t/682425/anybody-else-has-a-love-hate-relationship-with-beyer-990/30#post_9878265), don't sound worse at all when you apply heavy equalization to them, depending on the music can often improve their sound imho. 

 

I guess it's just a testament of how good the Q701s are.  You try to improve them with an EQ, and they instantly sound worse; like the headphone tells you right away: "What the hell do you think you're doing?!  More bass?!  Are you out of your mind?  Get the f*** out of here!   See it now you made it sound worse, now it sounds like pure **** and you broke their perfect balance, put the f***** EQ away and just enjoy their perfection you noob!"   ;)


Edited by GirgleMirt - 10/11/13 at 10:09am
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Oh and the bumps/ridges on the headband works absolutely perfectly for me.  They fit EXACTLY the bumps and ridges on my head.  Makes me wonder how AKG knew exactly where to put the ridges on the headband, so phenomenal, they fit EXACTLY the ridges on my head!!!   

 

No I'm kidding... That really sucks about them...  :P  You're lost in the music, 100% immersed, rocking it out, amazed at their amazing sound, they're super comfortable.  Then all of a sudden the pain hits you on top of the head and you're like oh right, they do get painful after a while..  And then it starts to hurt and bother you... So you change their position a little, put them up a little higher, then it hurts there too, bleh..  Friggin ridges...  :P  I'll definitely have to do something about them...   So..  The best mods/fixes for that is what, just sanding/cutting them off?  Oh Ashade just posted it.. lol  off to read the link ;)  http://www.head-fi.org/t/573055/akg-k702-headband-mods

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